Question about Eric's broken nose

First time poster, and I have not seen this discussed. It's reported that after Eric shot Cassie Bernall, the subsequent recoil from the shotgun broke his nose. A witness described him having blood on his face and his nose looked odd, pushed off to the side, or something to that effect.

My question is in the cafeteria surveillance tapes there does not appear to be blood on his face or clothes, particularly his white shirt. Any thoughts or explanations?

Poor video quality maybe?

It is poor quality but there is a scene of him running I think after they partially detonated the bomb and it just appears that there's nothing either on his face or shirt. It really doesn't matter, but it's one of the things I wonder about, especially since the suicide pretty much decimated his head, as far as determining that fact at his autopsy.

there's one screenshot, I can't find it now but there's basically a realllyyy dark shadow under his nose which I eventually assumed was the blood.
But, yeah referring to the surveillance footage is hard cuz the quality's super poor.

Thanks! It was just something I was curious about and wondering if others had any additional information or opinions on. I definitely believe he broke his nose from the recoil, I just assumed the blood or staining would be visible in the surveillance tapes.

I'm trying to see it, but to me, in the first picture it looks like his mouth is partially open and the second photo I can hardly make anything out. Thanks guys!

I've always wondered this too. It's possible he could have bumped his nose really hard causing it to bleed without breaking it.

Also is it possible that he broke his nose when he blew his cranium to pieces?

Jbow89 wrote:

I've always wondered this too. It's possible he could have bumped his nose really hard causing it to bleed without breaking it.

Also is it possible that he broke his nose when he blew his cranium to pieces?

I'm pretty sure his nose was broken. His shotgun was cut down so the kickback would've been really strong. Strong enough where it was ripping their hands up at Rampart Range. And it hit him full force right in the nose. If getting punched in a nose can break it, I'm almost certain that his shotgun broke his.

Jenn wrote:

Jbow89 wrote:

I've always wondered this too. It's possible he could have bumped his nose really hard causing it to bleed without breaking it.

Also is it possible that he broke his nose when he blew his cranium to pieces?

I'm pretty sure his nose was broken. His shotgun was cut down so the kickback would've been really strong. Strong enough where it was ripping their hands up at Rampart Range. And it hit him full force right in the nose. If getting punched in a nose can break it, I'm almost certain that his shotgun broke his.

Yes I definitely agree he broke his nose after shooting Cassie. Having had shoulder surgery simply from the recoil force of a legal length 12 gauge shotgun, I can only imagine the injury he sustained to his nose.

Full disclosure, I weigh 100 pounds with not a lot of mass to absorb the recoils. It hurts lol. I shot for a couple years prior to surgery.

Tomb wrote:

Jenn wrote:

Jbow89 wrote:

I've always wondered this too. It's possible he could have bumped his nose really hard causing it to bleed without breaking it.

Also is it possible that he broke his nose when he blew his cranium to pieces?

I'm pretty sure his nose was broken. His shotgun was cut down so the kickback would've been really strong. Strong enough where it was ripping their hands up at Rampart Range. And it hit him full force right in the nose. If getting punched in a nose can break it, I'm almost certain that his shotgun broke his.

Yes I definitely agree he broke his nose after shooting Cassie. Having had shoulder surgery simply from the recoil force of a legal length 12 gauge shotgun, I can only imagine the injury he sustained to his nose.

Full disclosure, I weigh 100 pounds with not a lot of mass to absorb the recoils. It hurts lol. I shot for a couple years prior to surgery.

Do you think it stunned him and made him want to end the shooting sooner.....or made him unable to think clearly? I've never fired a weapon or broken a bone before, so I honestly have no idea with either are like.

Imagine if the force of the recoil hit him hard enough to knock him out unconscious in the library, now THAT would have been something! I could imagine a scenario where Dylan may try to revive him, giving students an opportunity to either escape or to gang up and subdue Dylan. Ah, the things that could have been...

Tomb wrote:

First time poster, and I have not seen this discussed. It's reported that after Eric shot Cassie Bernall, the subsequent recoil from the shotgun broke his nose. A witness described him having blood on his face and his nose looked odd, pushed off to the side, or something to that effect.

My question is in the cafeteria surveillance tapes there does not appear to be blood on his face or clothes, particularly his white shirt. Any thoughts or explanations?

Maybe he wiped the blood off after exiting the library?

PotatoSallad wrote:

Tomb wrote:

First time poster, and I have not seen this discussed. It's reported that after Eric shot Cassie Bernall, the subsequent recoil from the shotgun broke his nose. A witness described him having blood on his face and his nose looked odd, pushed off to the side, or something to that effect.

My question is in the cafeteria surveillance tapes there does not appear to be blood on his face or clothes, particularly his white shirt. Any thoughts or explanations?

Maybe he wiped the blood off after exiting the library?

That would be the most reasonable answer to the question, no?

Noses can be broken without them bleeding. Perhaps the blood came from his mouth. People did say it looked like he was drinking blood.

ThoughtBox wrote:

Imagine if the force of the recoil hit him hard enough to knock him out unconscious in the library, now THAT would have been something! I could imagine a scenario where Dylan may try to revive him, giving students an opportunity to either escape or to gang up and subdue Dylan.  Ah, the things that could have been...

I absolutely cringe at the thought of a legal length shotgun hitting me in the face, much less a sawed off shotgun. I'm really surprised it didn't knock him out.

I tend to agree he probably wiped the blood away. Again thanks for all the input and everyone's perspectives.

ThoughtBox wrote:

Imagine if the force of the recoil hit him hard enough to knock him out unconscious in the library, now THAT would have been something! I could imagine a scenario where Dylan may try to revive him, giving students an opportunity to either escape or to gang up and subdue Dylan.  Ah, the things that could have been...

Never thought of it the way. Such a shame..I really wish one of them, if not both of them, had been taken alive..

Are there any clear photos of the writing on his shirt or blood stains? First photo looks like smeared blood around his mouth and upper lip to me

He obviously wiped the blood away.

I can see in the first picture where there is a little blood.

I have been reading thru the 11k and I remember a few witnesses from the cafeteria reporting blood all over Eric's shirt. But I certainly can't see any on these screenshots

I can see his receding hair line though lmao

It doesn't help it was recorded with a potato either lol

tfsa47090 wrote:

Tomb wrote:

It is poor quality but there is a scene of him running I think after they partially detonated the bomb and it just appears that there's nothing either on his face or shirt. It really doesn't matter, but it's one of the things I wonder about, especially since the suicide pretty much decimated his head, as far as determining that fact at his autopsy.

liquorvamp wrote:

there's one screenshot, I can't find it now but there's basically a realllyyy dark shadow under his nose which I eventually assumed was the blood.
But, yeah referring to the surveillance footage is hard cuz the quality's super poor.

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I've never seen the top photo before or anything like it. Where's it from?

anonacc489 wrote:

tfsa47090 wrote:

Tomb wrote:

It is poor quality but there is a scene of him running I think after they partially detonated the bomb and it just appears that there's nothing either on his face or shirt. It really doesn't matter, but it's one of the things I wonder about, especially since the suicide pretty much decimated his head, as far as determining that fact at his autopsy.

liquorvamp wrote:

there's one screenshot, I can't find it now but there's basically a realllyyy dark shadow under his nose which I eventually assumed was the blood.
But, yeah referring to the surveillance footage is hard cuz the quality's super poor.

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I've never seen the top photo before or anything like it. Where's it from?

I wish I could tell you where I found that (the top photo), but for the life of me, I cannot remember. What I do know is that I found it a good few years ago, and I did not find it on tumblr. And I know that because of its timestamp (the file on my computer).

The second one I did find on tumblr a few years back. (Again, I know because of the file's timestamp on my computer. I remember when I started going on tumblr).

If you don't mind me answering the question, I believe that the top photo was shown at the Columbine exhibition back in 2005 and has been circulating since then.If I am wrong, someone please correct me.
I have never seen the second still before.I'm always glad to see something new but wish it was clearer.

tfsa47090 wrote:

Tomb wrote:

It is poor quality but there is a scene of him running I think after they partially detonated the bomb and it just appears that there's nothing either on his face or shirt. It really doesn't matter, but it's one of the things I wonder about, especially since the suicide pretty much decimated his head, as far as determining that fact at his autopsy.

liquorvamp wrote:

there's one screenshot, I can't find it now but there's basically a realllyyy dark shadow under his nose which I eventually assumed was the blood.
But, yeah referring to the surveillance footage is hard cuz the quality's super poor.

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The dark on his shirt between the 2 black straps could be blood. He was wearing a white shirt with NATURAL SELECTION in black letters, but that dark spot looks too thick to be the lettering on his shirt. I can't imagine that he wouldn't have blood on his shirt. Anyone whos ever received a significant wound knows how messy blood is. Its incredibly hard to keep your clothes clean when you're bleeding that much.

Something I just thought of is how absolutely annoying (to me, at least) it is having a runny or bloody nose. It's one of the most distracting and annoying sensations to me, so I believe he wiped it off before those stills in the cafeteria.

You can see it in the first pic under his nose. I would imagine that the rest would be on his right glove from wiping it off.