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PostSubject: Letters to the victims families    Mon Mar 12, 2018 4:11 pm

I remember reading about the issue with the Harris’s letters to the families and I know they spoke to the Mausers.

However, we do have more info on Sue and her experience but I feel like I’m still speculating. I believe she got something back from Coni Sanders and either Corey or Kelly’s sister? The family (es) that ripped them up I assume were the Scholes (after the particular cruelty of Dylan towards Isaiah I don’t blame them) and/or the Valequez’s

I think Tom Mauser wrote her back asking her to speak out?
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PostSubject: Re: Letters to the victims families    Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:05 am

I have always been impressed by the way Tom Mauser has carried himself in light of what happened to his son at Columbine.

I think instead of showing hatred towards the two killers for what they've done he has expended his energy to change the gun laws to prevent other kids, like his son, from experiencing the same fate.

I have always been disappointed in Brian Rohrbough's reaction and the way he has carried himself after the shootings. Placing blame and attacking the parents is not the right thing to do in my personal opinion.
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PostSubject: Re: Letters to the victims families    Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:12 am

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I have always been impressed by the way Tom Mauser has carried himself in light of what happened to his son at Columbine.

I think instead of showing hatred towards the two killers for what they've done he has expended his energy to change the gun laws to prevent other kids, like his son, from experiencing the same fate.

I have always been disappointed in Brian Rohrbough's reaction and the way he has carried himself after the shootings. Placing blame and attacking the parents is not the right thing to do in my personal opinion.

I agree, also his plaque is the only one at the memorial filled with anger (Danny R’s)
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PostSubject: Re: Letters to the victims families    Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:28 am

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I remember reading about the issue with the Harris’s letters to the families and I know they spoke to the Mausers.

However, we do have more info on Sue and her experience but I feel like I’m still speculating. I believe she got something back from Coni Sanders and either Corey or Kelly’s sister? The family (es)  that ripped them up I assume were the Scholes (after the particular cruelty of Dylan  towards Isaiah I don’t blame them) and/or the Valequez’s

I think Tom Mauser wrote her back asking her to speak out?
There is a picture in National Geographic (January 2018 edition) of Coni and Susan together near the 13 memorial crosses at Olinger Chapel Hill Cemetery. I think those two are chummy now. Can you recall the source for the sister? I'd like to know more about that. Also Mr Curnow was one of the first parents to respond to Susan and it was cordial. The meeting with the Mausers is detailed in at least two books (Mr Mauser gives his POV in his book and his wife's POV is in a revised edition of Cullen's book). Also, Anne Marie Hochhalter and Kacey Johnson (nee Ruegsegger) have responded cordially in interviews.
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PostSubject: Re: Letters to the victims families    Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:57 am

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I remember reading about the issue with the Harris’s letters to the families and I know they spoke to the Mausers.

However, we do have more info on Sue and her experience but I feel like I’m still speculating. I believe she got something back from Coni Sanders and either Corey or Kelly’s sister? The family (es)  that ripped them up I assume were the Scholes (after the particular cruelty of Dylan  towards Isaiah I don’t blame them) and/or the Valequez’s

I think Tom Mauser wrote her back asking her to speak out?
There is a picture in National Geographic (January 2018 edition) of Coni and Susan together near the 13 memorial crosses at Olinger Chapel Hill Cemetery. I think those two are chummy now. Can you recall the source for the sister? I'd like to know more about that. Also Mr Curnow was one of the first parents to respond to Susan and it was cordial. The meeting with the Mausers is detailed in at least two books (Mr Mauser gives his POV in his book and his wife's POV is in a revised edition of Cullen's book). Also, Anne Marie Hochhalter and Kacey Johnson (nee Ruegsegger) have responded cordially in interviews.

Thank you for the information :-)

The sister is mentioned in a mothers reckoning. I can find the page at some point today if you’d like
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PostSubject: Re: Letters to the victims families    Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:53 am

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I remember reading about the issue with the Harris’s letters to the families and I know they spoke to the Mausers.

However, we do have more info on Sue and her experience but I feel like I’m still speculating. I believe she got something back from Coni Sanders and either Corey or Kelly’s sister? The family (es)  that ripped them up I assume were the Scholes (after the particular cruelty of Dylan  towards Isaiah I don’t blame them) and/or the Valequez’s

I think Tom Mauser wrote her back asking her to speak out?
There is a picture in National Geographic (January 2018 edition) of Coni and Susan together near the 13 memorial crosses at Olinger Chapel Hill Cemetery. I think those two are chummy now. Can you recall the source for the sister? I'd like to know more about that. Also Mr Curnow was one of the first parents to respond to Susan and it was cordial. The meeting with the Mausers is detailed in at least two books (Mr Mauser gives his POV in his book and his wife's POV is in a revised edition of Cullen's book). Also, Anne Marie Hochhalter and Kacey Johnson (nee Ruegsegger) have responded cordially in interviews.

Thank you for the information :-)

The sister is mentioned in a mothers reckoning. I can find the page at some point today if you’d like
Yes, I'd appreciate that enormously.
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PostSubject: Re: Letters to the victims families    Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:48 pm

According to Cullen, Steven Curnow's Dad met with the Harrises in the early 2000s and also met with the Klebold's (around 2001 I think). And in her book Sue Klebold says she met with the mother of a girl who was killed, who I think might be Rachel Scott's mother- only because she S.K. mentions that the Mother thought her daughter death was "predestined", which I feel is something I vaguely remember hearing about Rachel Scott before, though I can't remember where.

With regards to the sister, it's on page 258, a few pages into chapter 17: Judgement. It can't be Corey's sister because it says it was the sister of a murdered girl- so that narrows it down a bit. The Flemings did seem very sympathetic to E/D's parents afterwards, so could be Kelly's sister?
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PostSubject: Re: Letters to the victims families    Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:10 pm

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According to Cullen, Steven Curnow's Dad met with the Harrises in the early 2000s and also met with the Klebold's (around 2001 I think).  And in her book Sue Klebold says she met with the mother of a girl who was killed, who I think might be Rachel Scott's mother- only because she S.K. mentions that the Mother thought her daughter death was "predestined", which I feel is something I vaguely remember hearing about Rachel Scott before, though I can't remember where.

With regards to the sister, it's on page 258, a few pages into chapter 17: Judgement.  It can't be Corey's sister because it says it was the sister of a murdered girl- so that narrows it down a bit.  The Flemings did seem very sympathetic to E/D's parents afterwards, so could be Kelly's sister?

Thank you!! I just got home and was getting ready to look. It was probably Kelly's sister. Lauren had a sister but I am not entirely sure how her family feel about the Klebolds. I know Dawn, her mother and Sue agree the depositions should have been released immediately but Dylans cruelty (albeit unknowing, Dylan didn't target Lauren but she got the brunt of his gunfire) may have turned them off.
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PostSubject: Re: Letters to the victims families    Sat Mar 17, 2018 2:03 am

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According to Cullen, Steven Curnow's Dad met with the Harrises in the early 2000s and also met with the Klebold's (around 2001 I think).  And in her book Sue Klebold says she met with the mother of a girl who was killed, who I think might be Rachel Scott's mother- only because she S.K. mentions that the Mother thought her daughter death was "predestined", which I feel is something I vaguely remember hearing about Rachel Scott before, though I can't remember where.
Rachel's mum confirmed in a women's bible study interview she gave just before I'm Not Ashamed released (the video is on Youtube) that she keeps in semi regular contact with Sue Klebold, so I'm guessing this refers to her.
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PostSubject: Re: Letters to the victims families    Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:10 am

There’s a part of AMR That talks about when Sue met with one of the mothers and she said that there was nothing anyone could do because it was Gods plans for her daughter to be killed.

That passage always struck me as odd. Like she was sayinj thst Dylsn was predestined to kill her daughter. I always assumed that was Rachel’s mom but it could have been Cassie’s. I may have to find that again and see if I’m remembering correctly
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PostSubject: Re: Letters to the victims families    Sat Mar 17, 2018 11:55 am

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There’s a part of AMR That talks about when Sue met with one of the mothers and she said that there was nothing anyone could do because it was Gods plans for her daughter to be killed.

I wonder how Sue took that? Knowing that this woman seemingly believed that Dylan was born ONLY to become a mass murderer?

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PostSubject: Re: Letters to the victims families    Sat Mar 17, 2018 12:23 pm

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There’s a part of AMR That talks about when Sue met with one of the mothers and she said that there was nothing anyone could do because it was Gods plans for her daughter to be killed.

I wonder how Sue took that? Knowing that this woman seemingly believed that Dylan was born ONLY to become a mass murderer?

I wouldn't have taken it well that's for sure.

I assumed it was Rachel's mom but it could have been Cassie's. I only assumed it was Rachel's because she seems to buy into Dylan's secret crush on Rachel etc..

Considering how much Dylan had to offer before whatever happened in his head changed him, if I was Sue I would respectfully disagree but inside I'd have a few choice words.
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PostSubject: Re: Letters to the victims families    Sat Mar 17, 2018 12:32 pm

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There’s a part of AMR That talks about when Sue met with one of the mothers and she said that there was nothing anyone could do because it was Gods plans for her daughter to be killed.

I wonder how Sue took that? Knowing that this woman seemingly believed that Dylan was born ONLY to become a mass murderer?

I wouldn't have taken it well that's for sure. 

Me neither. Even assuming God is real and affects how things happen on Earth how would you even know what his plans are or not?

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PostSubject: Re: Letters to the victims families    Sat Mar 17, 2018 12:34 pm

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There’s a part of AMR That talks about when Sue met with one of the mothers and she said that there was nothing anyone could do because it was Gods plans for her daughter to be killed.

I wonder how Sue took that? Knowing that this woman seemingly believed that Dylan was born ONLY to become a mass murderer?

I wouldn't have taken it well that's for sure. 

Me neither. Even assuming God is real and affects how things happen on Earth how would you even know what his plans are or not?

Exactly.
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PostSubject: Re: Letters to the victims families    Sat Mar 17, 2018 10:18 pm

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There’s a part of AMR That talks about when Sue met with one of the mothers and she said that there was nothing anyone could do because it was Gods plans for her daughter to be killed.

I wonder how Sue took that? Knowing that this woman seemingly believed that Dylan was born ONLY to become a mass murderer?

I wouldn't have taken it well that's for sure.

I assumed it was Rachel's mom but it could have been Cassie's. I only assumed it was Rachel's because she seems to buy into Dylan's secret crush on Rachel etc..

Considering how much Dylan had to offer before whatever happened in his head changed him, if I was Sue I would respectfully disagree but inside I'd have a few choice words.
It's Rachel's mother for sure. She gave an interview or two about meeting Susan. Besides, Cassie's parent weren't very open minded about Susan publishing a book and there is an interview with them and Mr Rohrbough on YouTube.
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PostSubject: Re: Letters to the victims families    Sat Mar 17, 2018 10:40 pm

That’s interesting then because I’m not understanding the thoughts Sue is having.

The Dylan:Rachel crush thing has always irritated me because it always makes it sound like there was something horribly wrong with Dylan thst nobody would’ve liked him.
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