What's one tibit about the shooting that you find the most interesting?

The fact that Dylan wiped his hard drive, imagine all the deleted files? Would've loved to have explored the files from scans of what the files contained.

Rebbie556 wrote:

In the library were around  59 students  they killed 11?   I don't Condone their actions but if they planned to kill 500 ppl   why didn't they kill all in the library? Yeah its a stupid question . I'm just curious about that..  And why did they decide to let Evan Todd live?

59 is still a lot less than hundreds. In any case I'm pretty sure they wanted to leave a fair amount of witnesses behind to have their story told.

@Halycon666 I have a feeling it had a lot of foot fetish porn

VoDKaComeHere wrote:

@Halycon666 I have a feeling it had a lot of foot fetish porn

I definitely think Dylan had a lot of foot fetish porn on his computer.

In addition, if Dylan didn't wipe out the hard drive, a lot of what's on Dylan's computer would be redacted because of the images being pornographic.

Halcyon666 wrote:

VoDKaComeHere wrote:

@Halycon666 I have a feeling it had a lot of foot fetish porn

I definitely think Dylan had a lot of foot fetish porn on his computer.  

In addition, if Dylan didn't wipe out the hard drive, a lot of what's on Dylan's computer would be redacted because of the images being pornographic.  

Also bondage, you forgot the bondage.

And seriously people still talk about how Eric wanted to get laid all the time and Dylan talked about masturbating and looking at foot fetish porn...

Screamingophelia wrote:

Halcyon666 wrote:

VoDKaComeHere wrote:

@Halycon666 I have a feeling it had a lot of foot fetish porn

I definitely think Dylan had a lot of foot fetish porn on his computer.  

In addition, if Dylan didn't wipe out the hard drive, a lot of what's on Dylan's computer would be redacted because of the images being pornographic.  

Also bondage, you forgot  the bondage.

And seriously people still talk about how Eric wanted to get laid all the time and Dylan talked about masturbating and looking at foot fetish porn...

Yeah, forgot about that, I appreciate you reminding me.

sscc wrote:

TheGoodGuy wrote:

Lunkhead McGrath wrote:

About the actual shooting?  That there was 32 minutes between them finishing the killing and then killing themselves, which doesn't seem to happen in most of these shootings.  

So are you saying that after they shot and killed their last victim there went 32 minutes by before they killed themselves? Do you have a source to this, because I would like to read it. I have never heard that before.

Check out the Columbine summary report.
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The official story is that they left the library around 11:36 and killed themselves at 12:08. The shootings outside and in the library were a lot shorter than you might imagine when reading through witness narratives.

Thanks! But no way in hell I am reading 513 pages haha. But I can look through certain chapters, it looks interesting thanks again.

It's been confirmed that the picture of the boy sitting on the curb with the cap on crying was the same boy who was in the breakfast run video, isn't he? Where was he during the shooting, how long did it take for him to find out it was Dylan, how close were they prior to the shooting and was he friends with Eric also?

They shot Kyle because he was still sitting in his chair while everyone else was hidden under their desks, which made him an easy target, not because they were targeting special needs students. And a eerily sad fact about Kyle was that he was originally in the cafeteria when the shooting first started and made his way into the Library through all the commotion.

Some of them have been already mentioned.

Mine is not exactly a tidbit... What fascinates me is that they approached the whole thing as a carefully crafted piece of art with so much attention to detail.

Look at the HS pic and their glare. They don't belong in there. It's as if they were already elsewhere, halfway at least. And they look seriously evil-possessed.

I don’t see evil at all. But it is interesting because I’ve heard that before. I’ve heard even people say that Dylan senior pics look evil. I see a very uncomfortable looking kid trying to smile.

Screamingophelia wrote:

I don’t see evil at all. But it is interesting because I’ve heard that before. I’ve heard even people say that Dylan senior pics look evil. I see a very uncomfortable looking kid trying to smile.

I agree on both points. I do think they felt they were crafting a piece of art because they knew that once they did what they did, people would look back at that senior class pic and see the "evil" expressions on their faces. They did that intentionally, another "clue" for investigators to find. But to me they don't really look evil, they look like 2 kids trying to look tough and full of hatred. I don't get a creepy vibe from it at all; it actually looks a bit silly to me. I also agree that Dylan's individual senior pics were just awkward because he didn't like the attention on him; nothing evil about them.

In several of the library witness statements, students make reference to E or D saying something like, "I've never seen {N-word} brains before!" or "Look at the {N-word} brains!"

Despite Emily Wyant saying they shot Isaiah Shoels in the face, he didn't actually have any head wounds. So, does anyone have opinions as to why several witnesses believe they heard these statements?

I think they probably misheard and they were talking about his death errection. Amanda talks about it a bit in her video.

Yeah the two jackasses were making fun of his erection.

I feel like this is one of the only shootings where people talk about dick as much as they do.


Not Getting laid, hitmen for hire...

There are other kids who mention the "look at his brains" comment but don't include the racial slur, so I always figured that maybe the witnesses just transposed the events.

I believe John Tomlin and Kyle Vasquez were the only males with head wounds in the library (aside from Ireland whose brain obviously wasn't exposed) so it must have been one of them and in the chaos things just got jumbled as to the sequence of events.

I've also always suspected that many of the students discussed the events amongst themselves and kind of convinced each other that certain things were said or happened in a certain order when they really didn't. In addition to the trauma of the event affecting what people were able to process at the time, many of the witness statements were taken days to weeks after the attack. I think all of those factors would tend to skew the facts a bit.

thelmar wrote:

There are other kids who mention the "look at his brains" comment but don't include the racial slur, so I always figured that maybe the witnesses just transposed the events.

I believe John Tomlin and Kyle Vasquez were the only males with head wounds in the library (aside from Ireland whose brain obviously wasn't exposed) so it must have been one of them and in the chaos things just got jumbled as to the sequence of events.

I've also always suspected that many of the students discussed the events amongst themselves and kind of convinced each other that certain things were said or happened in a certain order when they really didn't. In addition to the trauma of the event affecting what people were able to process at the time, many of the witness statements were taken days to weeks after the attack. I think all of those factors would tend to skew the facts a bit.

I agree. I spoke to someone who survived the cafeteria, she was at the table with the bombs and she said she was so traumatized that she could not remember anything until around Christmas time that year. So she couldn't give much info to the IO when she was interviewed during the summer.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I wonder if the 11k would have been more useful had the police done follow up interviews months after the fact rather than a few days after shooting.

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I wonder if the 11k would have been more useful had the police done follow up interviews months after the fact rather than a few days after shooting.

I think that would have helped. Some interviews right after the fact but following up would have been good. However it was such a big case, you had hundreds of witnesses, mostly traumatized kids.

Shaking my head at Dylan wiping his hard drive. Here was a guy who wanted to be remembered as a mass murderer, but drew the line at being remembered as someone who had porn on his computer.

Reminds me of something in a novel I read years back. One of the characters was a retired intelligence operative who still kept tabs on certain groups. He said that he protected himself by letting certain people know that he had embarrassing information on their private lives, and that it would become public if he died under suspicious circumstances. These same people who wanted him dead then ended up becoming his protectors.

Sounds like Dylan's mindset. Being regarded as notorious is one thing. Being regarded as kinky is quite another.