Why Do A Majority Of Russian School Shooters Use Shotguns?

The shooters of Kerch, Kazan, and Perm all opted for a shotgun as their primary and only gun along with that girl who killed another classmate last year. Why is that? Shotguns are deadly yes but they aren't the best logically for mass killing because of how much they need to be reloaded which can cause victims to run away or tackle the shooter in precious seconds of an evil rampage. When I think guns in Russia my mind opts for the AK47 rifle but honestly you rarely hear them used in mass shootings compared to the AR15 rifle in America. The last AK47 attack I can fondly remember was the El Paso Walmart shooting. Why shotguns of all guns did these Russians use? Was it because of copycat effect? Was it because of gun laws? I'd be intrigued to know the reason for the killing in the East.

Because getting semiautomatic long rifles in Russia is hard.

AK47? Sure you can get them if you have connections to the mafia and such or some corrupt dudes in the army. These kids don't have such connections.

Russia may be a loony country, but it does not have the sort of wide-firearm access that people have in the states.

Because of gun laws.

Rifles and pistols are service weapons in Russia, intended for use by officials of state bodies and employees of legal entities, who are allowed by the legislation of the Russian Federation to carry, store and use these weapons, for self-defense or to fulfill their federal law obligations to protect the life and health of citizens, property, nature and natural resources, etc. etc.

In Russia, civilian weapons are divided into
1. Weapons for self-defense (traumatic pistols, revolvers with cartridges of traumatic action, cartridges of gas action and cartridges of light and sound action)
2. Sporting
(firearms with rifled barrels;
smoothbore firearms;
cold bladed;
throwing;
pneumatic weapons with muzzle energy over 3 Joules)
3) Hunting weapons
(long-barrelled firearms with rifled barrels;
long-barreled smoothbore firearms;
long-barrelled firearms, including those with interchangeable and inserted rifled barrels;
pneumatic with muzzle energy not exceeding 25 Joules;
cold bladed weapons;
hunting throwing small arms)

(There are also: 4) Signaling weapons and 5) Weapons used for cultural and educational purposes).

Shooters from Kerch, Kazan and Perm as ordinary citizens (not employees of the services as stated above) had the legal right to purchase a hunting weapon, which is considered as a civilian weapon

they're chads, thats why

I'm guessing easy access.

It's like in Canada, u can own shotgun's and hunting rifles but no semi auto rifles like an AR or an AK.

Maybe a shitty 9mm carbine. Or a .22 rifle.

Shotguns have a long history in Russia. Back in the Soviet Union, people were allowed to own shotguns but not rifles or handguns. You had to be a member of a hunting club, get permission from a government ministry, and get a certificate for when and where you would be hunting. The 90-year-old Communist Party leaders didn't trust regular people with much else.

ThatDelawareReader wrote:

Shotguns have a long history in Russia. Back in the Soviet Union, people were allowed to own shotguns but not rifles or handguns. You had to be a member of a hunting club, get permission from a government ministry, and get a certificate for when and where you would be hunting. The 90-year-old Communist Party leaders didn't trust regular people with much else.

Actually, there was a period when shotguns and even some smallbore rifles are freely solds for hunters in SU without permission (1950-1960). Also you should remember ww1, civil war, ww2.. people owned a lot of illegal guns also.

I wonder why american shooters almost never use shotguns. A Saiga for example is completely legal and has all the advantages of a AR-15 while shooting buckshots and even slugs. Plenty of people survive .223, no one survives a slug anywhere near organs or major arteries. Should probably ban that instead of focusing like retards on the same weapon and again, like the AR15 is some mystical wunderwaffe from ww2.

Max2024 wrote:

I wonder why american shooters almost never use shotguns. A Saiga for example is completely legal and has all the advantages of a AR-15 while shooting buckshots and even slugs. Plenty of people survive .223, no one survives a slug anywhere near organs or major arteries. Should probably ban that instead of focusing like retards on the same weapon and again, like the AR15 is some mystical wunderwaffe from ww2.

Your not the brightest are you

Darkness wrote:

Max2024 wrote:

I wonder why american shooters almost never use shotguns. A Saiga for example is completely legal and has all the advantages of a AR-15 while shooting buckshots and even slugs. Plenty of people survive .223, no one survives a slug anywhere near organs or major arteries. Should probably ban that instead of focusing like retards on the same weapon and again, like the AR15 is some mystical wunderwaffe from ww2.

Your not the brightest are you

So, you have no arguments? Okay.

Max2024 wrote:

I wonder why american shooters almost never use shotguns. A Saiga for example is completely legal and has all the advantages of a AR-15 while shooting buckshots and even slugs. Plenty of people survive .223, no one survives a slug anywhere near organs or major arteries. Should probably ban that instead of focusing like retards on the same weapon and again, like the AR15 is some mystical wunderwaffe from ww2.

AR style rifles are more practical (higher mag capacity, less recoil)

Max2024 wrote:

Darkness wrote:

Max2024 wrote:

I wonder why american shooters almost never use shotguns. A Saiga for example is completely legal and has all the advantages of a AR-15 while shooting buckshots and even slugs. Plenty of people survive .223, no one survives a slug anywhere near organs or major arteries. Should probably ban that instead of focusing like retards on the same weapon and again, like the AR15 is some mystical wunderwaffe from ww2.

Your not the brightest are you

So, you have no arguments? Okay.

bro never has arguments lol

Artyom Kazantsev used a modified Makarov pistol,and a russian school shooter in 1900 used a revolver after failing an exam, other shooters also used airsoft weapons

Marisa Kirisame88 wrote:

Artyom Kazantsev used a modified Makarov pistol,and a russian school shooter in 1900 used a revolver after failing an exam, other shooters also used airsoft weapons

the guns weren't modified, and the revolver shooter was in 1874

Max2024 wrote:

Darkness wrote:

Max2024 wrote:

I wonder why american shooters almost never use shotguns. A Saiga for example is completely legal and has all the advantages of a AR-15 while shooting buckshots and even slugs. Plenty of people survive .223, no one survives a slug anywhere near organs or major arteries. Should probably ban that instead of focusing like retards on the same weapon and again, like the AR15 is some mystical wunderwaffe from ww2.

Your not the brightest are you

So, you have no arguments? Okay.

You clearly have no knowledge about firearms in any sort of manner. First of all Russian imported firearms including the Saiga 12 were included in the 2014 sanctions on Russian firearms and since then the price of them including the Saiga 12 has increased significantly and in general are harder to find and more scarce therefore it would cost more and be harder to get a Saiga 12 which in itself brings down the practicality of someone using one for such down quite a bit. You clearly have never handle a firearm before in any sort of way and have never been around them which is obvious, this is because you are completely ignoring the fact that it would be a challenge to be able to carry the needed amount of loaded magazines. A empty 10 round Saiga 12 gauge magazine weighs 6/10s of a pound and loaded would weigh 1.5 pounds and if you had lets just say only 4 of them those in itself would weigh 6 pounds and thats not even that much ammo. And don't even bring up 25 round drums because Saiga's in general have been known to be finicky with certain magazines and cartridges and combining those together with a unreliable 25 round drum magazine gets you nowhere. Also there isn't much tactical gear that supports Saiga magazines which would add to it being a challenge to carry the magazines. Unlike with an AR-15 style weapon a Saiga would generally carry 1/3 or less of what an AR would carry in ammo and although each 12 gauge cartridge would usually be more deadly than a .223/556 each .223/556 can also kill and usually in a shooting people only hit about 75% of their shots so if you had 40 cartridges you'd only hit on average 30 of them and each one isn't a guaranteed kill as multiple people have been shot and survived in multiple Russian shootings. There's plenty of more reasons that I could bring up that refute your point but I don't feel like I need to add more.

Darkness wrote:

Max2024 wrote:

Darkness wrote:

Max2024 wrote:

I wonder why american shooters almost never use shotguns. A Saiga for example is completely legal and has all the advantages of a AR-15 while shooting buckshots and even slugs. Plenty of people survive .223, no one survives a slug anywhere near organs or major arteries. Should probably ban that instead of focusing like retards on the same weapon and again, like the AR15 is some mystical wunderwaffe from ww2.

Your not the brightest are you

So, you have no arguments? Okay.

You clearly have no knowledge about firearms in any sort of manner. First of all Russian imported firearms including the Saiga 12 were included in the 2014 sanctions on Russian firearms and since then the price of them including the Saiga 12 has increased significantly and in general are harder to find and more scarce therefore it would cost more and be harder to get a Saiga 12 which in itself brings down the practicality of someone using one for such down quite a bit. You clearly have never handle a firearm before in any sort of way and have never been around them which is obvious, this is because you are completely ignoring the fact that it would be a challenge to be able to carry the needed amount of loaded magazines. A empty 10 round Saiga 12 gauge magazine weighs 6/10s of a pound and loaded would weigh 1.5 pounds and if you had lets just say only 4 of them those in itself would weigh 6 pounds and thats not even that much ammo. And don't even bring up 25 round drums because Saiga's in general have been known to be finicky with certain magazines and cartridges and combining those together with a unreliable 25 round drum magazine gets you nowhere. Also there isn't much tactical gear that supports Saiga magazines which would add to it being a challenge to carry the magazines. Unlike with an AR-15 style weapon a Saiga would generally carry 1/3 or less of what an AR would carry in ammo and although each 12 gauge cartridge would usually be more deadly than a .223/556 each .223/556 can also kill and usually in a shooting people only hit about 75% of their shots so if you had 40 cartridges you'd only hit on average 30 of them and each one isn't a guaranteed kill as multiple people have been shot and survived in multiple Russian shootings. There's plenty of more reasons that I could bring up that refute your point but I don't feel like I need to add more.

Thanks for the explanation. You're right, I don't know much about guns and learned something new now.

Sabratha wrote:

AK47? Sure you can get them if you have connections to the mafia and such or some corrupt dudes in the army. These kids don't have such connections.

Important note that I don't see many people addressing. Gun legalization defenders often argue that "if someone wants to get a gun, they will get one, be it legally or illegally", though the often overlook the profile of the average school shooter. Do they really think the same speds who shoot up their school over such pretty shit like personal rivalry really have the connections to get their hands on actually good guns? Only case I can come up with is Realengo shooter, but even then all he was able to get were 2 shitty, ugly-as-fuck revolvers from 60 years ago. Not even a Makarov.