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what are your thoughts and assumptions about what would happen if mass shooters were unable to access firearms, that is, in no way at all.How many incidents would then have been avoided / how many murderers would not have dared to kill with a knife or transport.Maybe they would have committed a quiet suicide or resigned themselves to their fate and tried to integrate into society.It is especially interesting what Adam Lanza would do, he seems to have become interested in firearms only because of his mother, and he is also the thinnest shooter (sort of).

Lanza would have commited suicide somehow, he wouldn't dare to attack without a firearm, he took 3 guns with him to be 100 % sure he dies. Almost any male teacher could have thrown him down to the ground if he would have used a knife.

Someone like Ramos wouldn't care and easily achieve a high kill count with a knife too. Dude constantly had fights with people and waited like 1 hour for police to come in, taunting them and then shot at police when they entered.

Anders Breivik would've just stuck with the bomb.

Unability to get a firearm surely prevent the killings,officer.

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plasticsoup wrote:

I'm legitimately puzzled at how most attackers with no access to guns jump to knives instead. Couldn't they at least try using an actually long-bladed weapon like a machete or sword, or figure out how to use a bow and arrow? It would've been interesting to see the Suzano kids actually use the bows they brought, seeing as how we haven't had any bow/crossbow school attacks besides Henrique and Max. Sadly Luiz was too much of a Jelly to not just dump his entire stash of weapons on the ground as soon as he got into the school. Surprised no would-be hero tried reaching for them.

Hunting with a crossbow would be such a torture,imagine hearing to all these exalted screaming big games.The main advantage of the gun is silencing them relatively quickly.

plasticsoup wrote:

I'm legitimately puzzled at how most attackers with no access to guns jump to knives instead. Couldn't they at least try using an actually long-bladed weapon like a machete or sword, or figure out how to use a bow and arrow? It would've been interesting to see the Suzano kids actually use the bows they brought, seeing as how we haven't had any bow/crossbow school attacks besides Henrique and Max. Sadly Luiz was too much of a Jelly to not just dump his entire stash of weapons on the ground as soon as he got into the school. Surprised no would-be hero tried reaching for them.

A machete or sword needs to be very sharp to actually be effective (which they usually arent because unlike knifes which are sold ready to be used only maniacs or survival freaks have this stuff to feel cool and never use it). A big kitchen knife is more than enough to kill, a deep stab in the neck and its over. Swinging and stabbing with a machete or sword is very tiring very quickly and also much harder to "aim", especially considering how malnourished many of these killers are. I know this because I did some real-life fantasy LARP events when I was younger, and that was not even with real swords so it would be even heavier.

This is all that is needed to kill several people in seconds, but no one wants to talk about it because it's a sad truth. A determined masskiller can't be stopped from killing at least 1 person, but countries like UK don't realize this and ban everything until even the kitchen knives will be gone one day. Then the hammers will be used, after that sharp rocks, and after that...you see what I mean? No one wants to address the cause, only the effects.

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Max2024 wrote:

Lanza would have commited suicide somehow, he wouldn't dare to attack without a firearm, he took 3 guns with him to be 100 % sure he dies. Almost any male teacher could have thrown him down to the ground if he would have used a knife.

Someone like Ramos wouldn't care and easily achieve a high kill count with a knife too. Dude constantly had fights with people and waited like 1 hour for police to come in, taunting them and then shot at police when they entered.

you don't think he would have tried to crash a car into a crowd or assemble a bomb (in fact, it's no more difficult than making dough).He didn't seem to be able to shoot himself with the first shot, because he didn't have enough strength to hold the trigger (it seems to be information from the investigation, I don't claim that this is true).Why did he have to commit suicide at all, and if he was paranoid about the chance of surviving failure, what kind of suicide method would he consider.In general, it is surprising that he was able to hold a weapon and extinguish the recoil.Yes, maybe he would have just died of exhaustion in his cave.

plasticsoup wrote:

I'm legitimately puzzled at how most attackers with no access to guns jump to knives instead. Couldn't they at least try using an actually long-bladed weapon like a machete or sword, or figure out how to use a bow and arrow? It would've been interesting to see the Suzano kids actually use the bows they brought, seeing as how we haven't had any bow/crossbow school attacks besides Henrique and Max. Sadly Luiz was too much of a Jelly to not just dump his entire stash of weapons on the ground as soon as he got into the school. Surprised no would-be hero tried reaching for them.

in fact, the possibility of committing suicide and avoiding punishment is a very important aspect in the context of a massacre, it is very difficult to kill yourself with a knife and there is a risk that the knife will be taken away from you.Was tauchi crazy enough to cut children with a knife?It's not as easy as shooting in the back.

Max2024 wrote:

plasticsoup wrote:

I'm legitimately puzzled at how most attackers with no access to guns jump to knives instead. Couldn't they at least try using an actually long-bladed weapon like a machete or sword, or figure out how to use a bow and arrow? It would've been interesting to see the Suzano kids actually use the bows they brought, seeing as how we haven't had any bow/crossbow school attacks besides Henrique and Max. Sadly Luiz was too much of a Jelly to not just dump his entire stash of weapons on the ground as soon as he got into the school. Surprised no would-be hero tried reaching for them.

A machete or sword needs to be very sharp to actually be effective (which they usually arent because unlike knifes which are sold ready to be used only maniacs or survival freaks have this stuff to feel cool and never use it). A big kitchen knife is more than enough to kill, a deep stab in the neck and its over. Swinging and stabbing with a machete or sword is very tiring very quickly and also much harder to "aim", especially considering how malnourished many of these killers are. I know this because I did some real-life fantasy LARP events when I was younger, and that was not even with real swords so it would be even heavier.

This is all that is needed to kill several people in seconds, but no one wants to talk about it because it's a sad truth. A determined masskiller can't be stopped from killing at least 1 person, but countries like UK don't realize this and ban everything until even the kitchen knives will be gone one day. Then the hammers will be used, after that sharp rocks, and after that...you see what I mean? No one wants to address the cause, only the effects.

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I don't want to argue, but as the practice of violence in the United States shows, a weapon in the hands of a cretin is much more deadly than a knife.people usually don't kill 10 people with knives, at least the victim has the opportunity to escape or use improvised means for self-defense, to kill with a knife it's enough to get into the neck, yes, but you need to pierce an artery or plant a knife deep enough, it's not as easy as cutting bread,people will run away and cover themselves with their hands,Stop the dude with the knife easier than a tough gangster who is brave enough to shoot unarmed people.What can say if the unavailability of firearms is the only reason I'm alive.killing people with a knife is morally harder, and even more frightening is the fact that you will be put in prison

Max2024 wrote:

plasticsoup wrote:

I'm legitimately puzzled at how most attackers with no access to guns jump to knives instead. Couldn't they at least try using an actually long-bladed weapon like a machete or sword, or figure out how to use a bow and arrow? It would've been interesting to see the Suzano kids actually use the bows they brought, seeing as how we haven't had any bow/crossbow school attacks besides Henrique and Max. Sadly Luiz was too much of a Jelly to not just dump his entire stash of weapons on the ground as soon as he got into the school. Surprised no would-be hero tried reaching for them.

A machete or sword needs to be very sharp to actually be effective (which they usually arent because unlike knifes which are sold ready to be used only maniacs or survival freaks have this stuff to feel cool and never use it). A big kitchen knife is more than enough to kill, a deep stab in the neck and its over. Swinging and stabbing with a machete or sword is very tiring very quickly and also much harder to "aim", especially considering how malnourished many of these killers are. I know this because I did some real-life fantasy LARP events when I was younger, and that was not even with real swords so it would be even heavier.

This is all that is needed to kill several people in seconds, but no one wants to talk about it because it's a sad truth. A determined masskiller can't be stopped from killing at least 1 person, but countries like UK don't realize this and ban everything until even the kitchen knives will be gone one day. Then the hammers will be used, after that sharp rocks, and after that...you see what I mean? No one wants to address the cause, only the effects.

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I think what gets your point across is Joel Cauchi, a relatively fit man, killing six with a bigass knife over Anton Lundin Pettersson, a skinny teenager, killing four with a Viking sword.

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Max2024 wrote:

plasticsoup wrote:

I'm legitimately puzzled at how most attackers with no access to guns jump to knives instead. Couldn't they at least try using an actually long-bladed weapon like a machete or sword, or figure out how to use a bow and arrow? It would've been interesting to see the Suzano kids actually use the bows they brought, seeing as how we haven't had any bow/crossbow school attacks besides Henrique and Max. Sadly Luiz was too much of a Jelly to not just dump his entire stash of weapons on the ground as soon as he got into the school. Surprised no would-be hero tried reaching for them.

A machete or sword needs to be very sharp to actually be effective (which they usually arent because unlike knifes which are sold ready to be used only maniacs or survival freaks have this stuff to feel cool and never use it). A big kitchen knife is more than enough to kill, a deep stab in the neck and its over. Swinging and stabbing with a machete or sword is very tiring very quickly and also much harder to "aim", especially considering how malnourished many of these killers are. I know this because I did some real-life fantasy LARP events when I was younger, and that was not even with real swords so it would be even heavier.

This is all that is needed to kill several people in seconds, but no one wants to talk about it because it's a sad truth. A determined masskiller can't be stopped from killing at least 1 person, but countries like UK don't realize this and ban everything until even the kitchen knives will be gone one day. Then the hammers will be used, after that sharp rocks, and after that...you see what I mean? No one wants to address the cause, only the effects.

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I think what gets your point across is Joel Cauchi, a relatively fit man, killing six with a bigass knife over Anton Lundin Pettersson, a skinny teenager, killing four with a Viking sword.

Thank you, thats a perfect comparison.

Max2024 wrote:

NEXT STEP UP wrote:

Max2024 wrote:

plasticsoup wrote:

I'm legitimately puzzled at how most attackers with no access to guns jump to knives instead. Couldn't they at least try using an actually long-bladed weapon like a machete or sword, or figure out how to use a bow and arrow? It would've been interesting to see the Suzano kids actually use the bows they brought, seeing as how we haven't had any bow/crossbow school attacks besides Henrique and Max. Sadly Luiz was too much of a Jelly to not just dump his entire stash of weapons on the ground as soon as he got into the school. Surprised no would-be hero tried reaching for them.

A machete or sword needs to be very sharp to actually be effective (which they usually arent because unlike knifes which are sold ready to be used only maniacs or survival freaks have this stuff to feel cool and never use it). A big kitchen knife is more than enough to kill, a deep stab in the neck and its over. Swinging and stabbing with a machete or sword is very tiring very quickly and also much harder to "aim", especially considering how malnourished many of these killers are. I know this because I did some real-life fantasy LARP events when I was younger, and that was not even with real swords so it would be even heavier.

This is all that is needed to kill several people in seconds, but no one wants to talk about it because it's a sad truth. A determined masskiller can't be stopped from killing at least 1 person, but countries like UK don't realize this and ban everything until even the kitchen knives will be gone one day. Then the hammers will be used, after that sharp rocks, and after that...you see what I mean? No one wants to address the cause, only the effects.

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I think what gets your point across is Joel Cauchi, a relatively fit man, killing six with a bigass knife over Anton Lundin Pettersson, a skinny teenager, killing four with a Viking sword.

Thank you, thats a perfect comparison.

Anton ultimately mogged Joel in the propaganda department, that’s ultimately what matters with these cases. Some guy in what looks like UFC gear vs SS Darth Vader, which one makes more headlines?

Well now we are hearing from court from Belgrade school shooter who said that "if he didn't have access to guns, he wouldn't have commited the attack". These were his words today from what he stated.

Currings wrote:

Well now we are hearing from court from Belgrade school shooter who said that "if he didn't have access to guns, he wouldn't have commited the attack". These were his words today from what he stated.

So, i'm guessing some attacks could've been avoided if they never got their hands on the firearms; They could atleast not push themselves that easy with any slasher, or they would allegedly do it & get tackled or do a suicide by cop or other weird shit let's say Chinese mass stabbers do when they try to kill themselves..

Currings wrote:

Well now we are hearing from court from Belgrade school shooter who said that "if he didn't have access to guns, he wouldn't have commited the attack". These were his words today from what he stated.

That moron can anyway not be taken seriously, according to everything I've read about the case so far he didnt even provide any motive and was not bullied by his class. Just a dumb little psycho kid, he has zero "excuse", even less than other school shooters

Max2024 wrote:

Currings wrote:

Well now we are hearing from court from Belgrade school shooter who said that "if he didn't have access to guns, he wouldn't have commited the attack". These were his words today from what he stated.

That moron can anyway not be taken seriously, according to everything I've read about the case so far he didnt even provide any motive and was not bullied by his class. Just a dumb little psycho kid, he has zero "excuse", even less than other school shooters

Yep lmao, now he blames it all on his mum & dad so they can take the responsibility of the massacre & that somehow they start feeling empathy for him & eventually releasing him by believing his story

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Max2024 wrote:

plasticsoup wrote:

I'm legitimately puzzled at how most attackers with no access to guns jump to knives instead. Couldn't they at least try using an actually long-bladed weapon like a machete or sword, or figure out how to use a bow and arrow? It would've been interesting to see the Suzano kids actually use the bows they brought, seeing as how we haven't had any bow/crossbow school attacks besides Henrique and Max. Sadly Luiz was too much of a Jelly to not just dump his entire stash of weapons on the ground as soon as he got into the school. Surprised no would-be hero tried reaching for them.

A machete or sword needs to be very sharp to actually be effective (which they usually arent because unlike knifes which are sold ready to be used only maniacs or survival freaks have this stuff to feel cool and never use it). A big kitchen knife is more than enough to kill, a deep stab in the neck and its over. Swinging and stabbing with a machete or sword is very tiring very quickly and also much harder to "aim", especially considering how malnourished many of these killers are. I know this because I did some real-life fantasy LARP events when I was younger, and that was not even with real swords so it would be even heavier.

This is all that is needed to kill several people in seconds, but no one wants to talk about it because it's a sad truth. A determined masskiller can't be stopped from killing at least 1 person, but countries like UK don't realize this and ban everything until even the kitchen knives will be gone one day. Then the hammers will be used, after that sharp rocks, and after that...you see what I mean? No one wants to address the cause, only the effects.

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I think what gets your point across is Joel Cauchi, a relatively fit man, killing six with a bigass knife over Anton Lundin Pettersson, a skinny teenager, killing four with a Viking sword.

Not arguing with you or anything. Just a little correction: Anton was 21. Your point still stands though.

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plasticsoup wrote:

FesteringThoughts wrote:

plasticsoup wrote:

I'm legitimately puzzled at how most attackers with no access to guns jump to knives instead. Couldn't they at least try using an actually long-bladed weapon like a machete or sword, or figure out how to use a bow and arrow? It would've been interesting to see the Suzano kids actually use the bows they brought, seeing as how we haven't had any bow/crossbow school attacks besides Henrique and Max. Sadly Luiz was too much of a Jelly to not just dump his entire stash of weapons on the ground as soon as he got into the school. Surprised no would-be hero tried reaching for them.

Hunting with a crossbow would be such a torture,imagine hearing to all these exalted screaming big games.The main advantage of the gun is silencing them relatively quickly.
But politicians blaming tactical crossbows would be nice.

Not really. I'd assume shooting someone in the neck with a powerful enough bow could kill them on the spot. Also wouldn't that problem apply even more to mass stabbings?

You wouldn't hit shit. A shot in the neck would be miraculous.

plasticsoup wrote:

I'm legitimately puzzled at how most attackers with no access to guns jump to knives instead. Couldn't they at least try using an actually long-bladed weapon like a machete or sword, or figure out how to use a bow and arrow? It would've been interesting to see the Suzano kids actually use the bows they brought, seeing as how we haven't had any bow/crossbow school attacks besides Henrique and Max. Sadly Luiz was too much of a Jelly to not just dump his entire stash of weapons on the ground as soon as he got into the school. Surprised no would-be hero tried reaching for them.

Machetes aren't superior to knives. They function differently. Crossbows are quite useless for anyone who isn't a marksman.

imagine mass shooters as mass stabbers or whatever is cool and all, but what about the other way around? what if we imagined mass stabbers as mass shooters?

it's interesting to think about joel cauchi. could joel's incident been way worse if he had a pistol instead of a knife?

suzuhiro wrote:

imagine mass shooters as mass stabbers or whatever is cool and all, but what about the other way around? what if we imagined mass stabbers as mass shooters?

it's interesting to think about joel cauchi. could joel's incident been way worse if he had a pistol instead of a knife?

Definetly way more + a regular gun to the head suicide as he intended to be shot dead by a cop..
As for others, Chinese mass stabbers (mainly middle aged men who break into daycares & kindergartens) if they could do a shooting that would've been much more fatal & brutal, aswell as Dendermonde nursery attack.. As the perpetrator killed the adult there was no one that could monitor them and he could've easily slaughtered all those infants & toddlers within few minutes & probably break into the other nurseries/schools continuing his massacres.. As for Sagamihara stabbings, it could've been much more quicker & fatal (considering he stabbed 19 disabled ppl to death) The attacker Satoshi Uematsu i'm guessing would be a person of interest as he would escape causing massive panics across Japan & eventually Japan being quarantined..

Roslyakov would have made more bombs probably, same with the other russian shooters.
Eric and Dylan always planned for it to be a bombing so maybe the bombing is successful??? Or maybe they try again if it isn't.
James Holmes would have certainly used a bomb, he did so when booby trapping his house and he considered other methods of murder, though perhaps he would end up a serial killer.
A few in this timeline would turn to arson, and given that arson attacks can kill hundreds, without guns some attacks could end up deadlier.
Though most mass shooters wouldn't do shit if their dad didn't leave an ar-15, 10 magazines, a pistol, full body armor and instructions to make a bomb on their front porch.