Richard Castaldo Reddit comments on "I'm Not Ashamed"

Hey guys I was looking up info on the Rachel Scott movie and I found a redditor who claims to be Richard. His comments are 2 of the last 4 at the bottom of the page:

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He doesn't say much except that he doesn't like how Rachel's death is used to promote religion. Basically he sees it as "religion got her killed so why promote what killed her". Interestingly enough he seems to be back to claiming Rachel's death was in fact due to her Christian beliefs. I seem to recall he had previously back peddled once before and claimed she wasn't actually confronted by E/D? Either way its just a couple comments, but I thought you guys might find it interesting.

Good find,Nirvana.
Richard has told 3 different versions of events total over the years.
I don't think he is lying but he did go through a traumatic event and as he has had people ask him to repeat what happened over and over again ,both out of curiosity and to try to confirm Rachel's martyrdom I don't think he remembers exactly what happened anymore.
It's very understandable how that could happen.

PaintItBlack wrote:

Good find,Nirvana.
Richard has told 3 different versions of events total over the years.
I don't think he is lying but he did go through a traumatic event and  as he has had people ask him to repeat what happened over and over again ,both out of curiosity and to try to confirm Rachel's martyrdom I don't think he remembers exactly what happened anymore.
It's very understandable how that could happen.

Thanks man!
I definitely don't think its malicious or anything like that. I'm sure his memories of that moment are clouded all to Hell, and the constant inquiries and retellings have probably made that worse. I'm glad to see him sticking up for Rachel after all these years though. He's a true friend for sure.

If he's a true friend he'd keep it easy on the fabrications or just pull a patrick ireland and openly say I don't wish to talk about nor remember about Columbine anymore.

His claim caused a huge stir and mix up on the whole martyr she-said-yes mess and now there's a corny film about it. Stop it already. It's so annoying. The dead are dead. The christian propaganda is giving me a head spin.

To be honest, if your memories are jaded you should probably just say you don't know - not have multiple versions of what occurred in a few seconds time slot.

E&D made it clear in their writings that they had disdain for Christianity. Further, Dylan singled Rachel out calling her a "Godly whore". It's not hard to see how the connection was made. Or the Christian propaganda perpetuated. Is it all true? No. Is it annoying to some? Yes. ***Disclaimer*** I am not religious

Also, according to Richard's Mother, his intial telling of events (at a time he was likely in no shape to make something up to support an agenda) was of Eric asking her about her faith then telling her to "Go be with Him (God) then".

Who knows if that is actually what happened. But I for one would expect anyone who is convicted in a belief to use an event like the intial account of events to carry their message. I may or may not agree with the message but can absolutely see why (and can reapect) it has been used to evangelize.

That being said, we all know E&D's initial plan was a non-discriminatory plan where the killing of certain races, classes or creeds was not the aim.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] the Rachel in their Basement Tape wasn't Scott.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] also your paragraph is extremely clear and it's better stated than mine as I'm all hazed up and annoyed so, thank you loads.

I guess I was not aware that the Rachel in the Basement Tapes was not Scott. I am still fairly new in my research compared to a lot of you on here. And as you know, there are so many conflicting accounts. Who was Dylan referring to? Is in the 11K? My point remains though.

Btw, your point was clear and not one I necessarily disagree with. I'm just not surprised or annoyed by the Christian agenda.

tigerclone wrote:

I guess I was not aware that the Rachel in the Basement Tapes was not Scott. I am still fairly new in my research compared to a lot of you on here. And as you know, there are so many conflicting accounts. Who was Dylan referring to? Is in the 11K? My point remains though.

Btw, your point was clear and not one I necessarily disagree with. I'm just not surprised or annoyed by the Christian agenda.

It is in the 11k. Unfort. I cannot quote atm. But the Nick was Nick Baumgart and he and Rachel and Jen were all in a class with Eric and Dylan.

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tigerclone wrote:

I guess I was not aware that the Rachel in the Basement Tapes was not Scott. I am still fairly new in my research compared to a lot of you on here. And as you know, there are so many conflicting accounts. Who was Dylan referring to? Is in the 11K? My point remains though.

Btw, your point was clear and not one I necessarily disagree with. I'm just not surprised or annoyed by the Christian agenda.

It is in the 11k.  Unfort. I cannot quote atm. But the Nick was Nick Baumgart and he and Rachel and Jen were all in a class with Eric and Dylan.  

Thank you...If you come across a page number for it let me know.

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"However, it seems that this cannot be about Rachel Scott.  Eric and Dylan had one class together that also had a Dustin, a Nick, a Rachel and a Jen, which was 5th period Psychology with Tom Johnson.  "Dustin" is (apparently) Dustin Harrison, “Nick” is Nicholas Foss, and “Jen” is Jennifer Grant.  And actually there are two “Rachels,” Rachel Baker and Rachael Goodwin.  We can’t be sure which one was being referred to."

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and I think the Nick was Foss instead of Baumgart.

liquorvamp wrote:

If he's a true friend he'd keep it easy on the fabrications or just pull a patrick ireland and openly say I don't wish to talk about nor remember about Columbine anymore.

His claim caused a huge stir and mix up on the whole martyr she-said-yes mess and now there's a corny film about it. Stop it already. It's so annoying. The dead are dead. The christian propaganda is giving me a head spin.

I agree he should have probably kept his mouth shut after the initial investigation. He is kind of the sole reason the myth that Eric confronted her exists. By "true friend" though I was referring more to the fact that he's continuously tried to show people that there was more to Rachel than Christianity. There seems to be two camps when it comes to Rachel's friends: The "Rachel was a believer who made God proud" group and the "there was more to Rachel than her faith" group. In fact a large portion of the people who knew her seem to be upset about this movie. I do t want to hurt or offend anyone, but "I'm Not Ashamed" is pure religious propaganda. At a certain point all this martyr crap starts implying that her death was a bigger tragedy than the others. The same thing happened with Cassie, except her parents have accepted that she didnt actually say Yes to either Eric or Dylan.

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"However, it seems that this cannot be about Rachel Scott.  Eric and Dylan had one class together that also had a Dustin, a Nick, a Rachel and a Jen, which was 5th period Psychology with Tom Johnson.  "Dustin" is (apparently) Dustin Harrison, “Nick” is Nicholas Foss, and “Jen” is Jennifer Grant.  And actually there are two “Rachels,” Rachel Baker and Rachael Goodwin.  We can’t be sure which one was being referred to."

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and I think the Nick was Foss instead of Baumgart.

Thank you! This is why I think Columbine is so fascinating to me. The fact that there is so much information available for us to go through and form educated opinions. I mean, I never would have imagined the initial curiosity that led to a few Google searches would have led to this.

Nirvana92 wrote:

liquorvamp wrote:

If he's a true friend he'd keep it easy on the fabrications or just pull a patrick ireland and openly say I don't wish to talk about nor remember about Columbine anymore.

His claim caused a huge stir and mix up on the whole martyr she-said-yes mess and now there's a corny film about it. Stop it already. It's so annoying. The dead are dead. The christian propaganda is giving me a head spin.

I agree he should have probably kept his mouth shut after the initial investigation. He is kind of the sole reason the myth that Eric confronted her exists. By "true friend" though I was referring more to the fact that he's continuously tried to show people that there was more to Rachel than Christianity. There seems to be two camps when it comes to Rachel's friends: The "Rachel was a believer who made God proud" group and the "there was more to Rachel than her faith" group. In fact a large portion of the people who knew her seem to be upset about this movie. I do t want to hurt or offend anyone, but "I'm Not Ashamed" is pure religious propaganda. At a certain point all this martyr crap starts implying that her death was a bigger tragedy than the others. The same thing happened with Cassie, except her parents have accepted that she didnt actually say Yes to either Eric or Dylan.

Nirvana,
Where did you hear that Cassie's parents no longer believe she was a martyr? I am very curious about this because last I heard they still believe despite all the claims to the contrary.
Back in December or January they started a new project to get She said yes in more schools so based on that also I assumed they still believed because the book is not only the story of Cassie's life but of her faith and martyrdom.

PaintItBlack wrote:

Nirvana92 wrote:

liquorvamp wrote:

If he's a true friend he'd keep it easy on the fabrications or just pull a patrick ireland and openly say I don't wish to talk about nor remember about Columbine anymore.

His claim caused a huge stir and mix up on the whole martyr she-said-yes mess and now there's a corny film about it. Stop it already. It's so annoying. The dead are dead. The christian propaganda is giving me a head spin.

I agree he should have probably kept his mouth shut after the initial investigation. He is kind of the sole reason the myth that Eric confronted her exists. By "true friend" though I was referring more to the fact that he's continuously tried to show people that there was more to Rachel than Christianity. There seems to be two camps when it comes to Rachel's friends: The "Rachel was a believer who made God proud" group and the "there was more to Rachel than her faith" group. In fact a large portion of the people who knew her seem to be upset about this movie. I do t want to hurt or offend anyone, but "I'm Not Ashamed" is pure religious propaganda. At a certain point all this martyr crap starts implying that her death was a bigger tragedy than the others. The same thing happened with Cassie, except her parents have accepted that she didnt actually say Yes to either Eric or Dylan.

Nirvana,
Where did you hear that Cassie's parents no longer believe she was a martyr? I am very curious about this because last I heard they still believe despite all the claims to the contrary.
Back in December or January they started a new project to get She said yes in more schools so based on that also I assumed they still believed because the book is not only the story of Cassie's life but of her faith and martyrdom.

I could have swore I've seen it said that they've accepted the "Yes" stuff most likely didnt happen. I'm having trouble finding a source though. It could be that I'm just misremembering speculation from here on the board haha.

Nirvana92 wrote:

PaintItBlack wrote:

Nirvana92 wrote:

liquorvamp wrote:

If he's a true friend he'd keep it easy on the fabrications or just pull a patrick ireland and openly say I don't wish to talk about nor remember about Columbine anymore.

His claim caused a huge stir and mix up on the whole martyr she-said-yes mess and now there's a corny film about it. Stop it already. It's so annoying. The dead are dead. The christian propaganda is giving me a head spin.

I agree he should have probably kept his mouth shut after the initial investigation. He is kind of the sole reason the myth that Eric confronted her exists. By "true friend" though I was referring more to the fact that he's continuously tried to show people that there was more to Rachel than Christianity. There seems to be two camps when it comes to Rachel's friends: The "Rachel was a believer who made God proud" group and the "there was more to Rachel than her faith" group. In fact a large portion of the people who knew her seem to be upset about this movie. I do t want to hurt or offend anyone, but "I'm Not Ashamed" is pure religious propaganda. At a certain point all this martyr crap starts implying that her death was a bigger tragedy than the others. The same thing happened with Cassie, except her parents have accepted that she didnt actually say Yes to either Eric or Dylan.

Nirvana,
Where did you hear that Cassie's parents no longer believe she was a martyr? I am very curious about this because last I heard they still believe despite all the claims to the contrary.
Back in December or January they started a new project to get She said yes in more schools so based on that also I assumed they still believed because the book is not only the story of Cassie's life but of her faith and martyrdom.

I could have swore I've seen it said that they've accepted the "Yes" stuff most likely didnt happen. I'm having trouble finding a source though. It could be that I'm just misremembering speculation from here on the board haha.

That's ok Nirvana.Thanks for the reply.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] though I don't have the source right now I can back Nirvana's claim up that cassie's family indeed accepted that she wasn't the one who said yes. I heard it on a podcast covering Columbine too so it's searchable.

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PaintItBlack wrote:

Nirvana92 wrote:

PaintItBlack wrote:

Nirvana92 wrote:

At a certain point all this martyr crap starts implying that her death was a bigger tragedy than the others. The same thing happened with Cassie, except her parents have accepted that she didnt actually say Yes to either Eric or Dylan.

Nirvana,
Where did you hear that Cassie's parents no longer believe she was a martyr? I am very curious about this because last I heard they still believe despite all the claims to the contrary.
Back in December or January they started a new project to get She said yes in more schools so based on that also I assumed they still believed because the book is not only the story of Cassie's life but of her faith and martyrdom.

I could have swore I've seen it said that they've accepted the "Yes" stuff most likely didnt happen. I'm having trouble finding a source though. It could be that I'm just misremembering speculation from here on the board haha.

That's ok Nirvana.Thanks for the reply.

I have also read that somewhere but don't have the source right now, the Bernalls were like "ok, maybe she didn't say yes during that morning, but she said yes to God during her whole life" in order to being able to keep using the "She said yes" name for their project.

Gonz wrote:

PaintItBlack wrote:

Nirvana92 wrote:

PaintItBlack wrote:

Nirvana92 wrote:

At a certain point all this martyr crap starts implying that her death was a bigger tragedy than the others. The same thing happened with Cassie, except her parents have accepted that she didnt actually say Yes to either Eric or Dylan.

Nirvana,
Where did you hear that Cassie's parents no longer believe she was a martyr? I am very curious about this because last I heard they still believe despite all the claims to the contrary.
Back in December or January they started a new project to get She said yes in more schools so based on that also I assumed they still believed because the book is not only the story of Cassie's life but of her faith and martyrdom.

I could have swore I've seen it said that they've accepted the "Yes" stuff most likely didnt happen. I'm having trouble finding a source though. It could be that I'm just misremembering speculation from here on the board haha.

That's ok Nirvana.Thanks for the reply.

I have also read that somewhere but don't have the source right now, the Bernalls were like "ok, maybe she didn't say yes during that morning, but she said yes to God during her whole life" in order to being able to keep using the "She said yes" name for their project.

I'm glad to know I'm not the only person to have seen this info. Once the official timeline came out their line of thought probably became "she WOULD have said yes".