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PostSubject: Anybody seen Adams spreadsheet ?   Anybody seen Adams spreadsheet ? Icon_minitimeThu Jun 08, 2017 8:23 am

Badly want too see it will it be released ?
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PostSubject: Re: Anybody seen Adams spreadsheet ?   Anybody seen Adams spreadsheet ? Icon_minitimeThu Jun 08, 2017 4:49 pm

I have not seen the spreadsheet and to my knowledge neither has anyone in the public. The spreadsheet was one of the many things that the police has withheld from the public, including some photos of Adam holding guns ect. I sadly doubt that we will see the files be released ever unless someone hacks into the police database that has these files.
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PostSubject: Re: Anybody seen Adams spreadsheet ?   Anybody seen Adams spreadsheet ? Icon_minitimeFri Jun 09, 2017 6:41 am

Don't see why they would hide these photos from us
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PostSubject: Re: Anybody seen Adams spreadsheet ?   Anybody seen Adams spreadsheet ? Icon_minitimeFri Jun 09, 2017 4:50 pm

Adam gave out a public download link at least once and probably twice. The first time was on the old forum, though the complete thread was not archived, and the other was on Wikipedia, though the download link is now dead. This means that someone outside of law enforcement could definitely have a copy. The best chance of ever seeing it would be someone from the old forum since I agree that the police will not release this document. I hope it will surface one day but I have never even heard someone mention that they remember looking at it, much less having downloaded it. The Wikipedia post was kind of buried but the forum post would have been a lot more visible. I would be interested in hearing from anyone who may remember seeing it even if they don't have a copy saved.

I have always wondered exactly what information was contained in the spreadsheet. Adam knew details that went down to the average age of victims, if I remember correctly. They said that this was unprecedented and the research was meticulous. The narrative has been that it was created because Adam hoped to top the list one day and maybe that's accurate but I wonder if he was attempting to use the data to gain insight into the phenomenon of mass shootings or the lives of shooters, given that he discussed mass shootings as being caused by societal issues. Maybe it was just an obsessive habit and there was no further analysis but it sounds like there was too much research involved for this to have been just a way to keep track of 'scores.' He also noted some shooting trends in his final post on the forum so I do think that there is a good chance that it was more than a morbid tally sheet.
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PostSubject: Re: Anybody seen Adams spreadsheet ?   Anybody seen Adams spreadsheet ? Icon_minitimeFri Jun 09, 2017 5:45 pm

Imagine if Adam Lanza wasn't obsessed with the macabre and focused his mind on helping to cure cancer or reduce genetic defections. Imagine what that kid could've done if his mind was in the right place.

Nevertheless, the police will rarely hand the truth to the public. You could try to file a FOIA to the FBI and CT Police for some details, but half of what you get back will likely be covered in black strips.
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PostSubject: Re: Anybody seen Adams spreadsheet ?   Anybody seen Adams spreadsheet ? Icon_minitimeFri Jun 09, 2017 10:19 pm

FIBAgent wrote:
Imagine if Adam Lanza wasn't obsessed with the macabre and focused his mind on helping to cure cancer or reduce genetic defections. Imagine what that kid could've done if his mind was in the right place.
If that were the case, he would have been an isolated, barely functioning loner with a 5'8 spreadsheet on various cancer types. Lanza's serious mental health issues basically ruled out the possibility of anything resembling a normal life. In order for that to have happened, he would have needed serious treatment, treatment that both he and his mother would probably have been unwilling to engage in.

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PostSubject: Re: Anybody seen Adams spreadsheet ?   Anybody seen Adams spreadsheet ? Icon_minitimeSat Oct 14, 2017 10:45 pm

Unfortunately, I can't find the screenshot but it showed Lanza posting it and his caption was something along the lines of how it was "comprehensive" and stuff like that. It displayed that around six people opened it.
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PostSubject: Re: Anybody seen Adams spreadsheet ?   Anybody seen Adams spreadsheet ? Icon_minitimeSat Oct 14, 2017 11:35 pm

scibblewop wrote:
Unfortunately, I can't find the screenshot but it showed Lanza posting it and his caption was something along the lines of how it was "comprehensive" and stuff like that. It displayed that around six people opened it.
I don't think that I've seen this if it's not the screenshot here. Was this it?
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Or was it a screenshot of the actual download link?

Also, just to quickly add to my comment from a few months ago, Adam actually did confirm that his spreadsheet was not simply a "high score list" which he was one day hoping to top. He mentioned that he was using it to answer statistical questions.
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PostSubject: Re: Anybody seen Adams spreadsheet ?   Anybody seen Adams spreadsheet ? Icon_minitimeSun Oct 15, 2017 7:04 am

Hi SSCC, I do not know how to reply so I don't know if you're ever going to see this aha but yes that is the screenshot I meant.
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scibblewop wrote:
Hi SSCC, I do not know how to reply so I don't know if you're ever going to see this aha but yes that is the screenshot I meant.
I read just about every post on here so no problem. Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Anybody seen Adams spreadsheet ?   Anybody seen Adams spreadsheet ? Icon_minitimeSun Oct 15, 2017 9:22 am

@sscc thanks!
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PostSubject: Re: Anybody seen Adams spreadsheet ?   Anybody seen Adams spreadsheet ? Icon_minitimeSun Oct 15, 2017 12:40 pm

sscc wrote:

Also, just to quickly add to my comment from a few months ago, Adam actually did confirm that his spreadsheet was not simply a "high score list" which he was one day hoping to top. He mentioned that he was using it to answer statistical questions.
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This really makes me wonder, how detailed was his spreadsheet.
We know that he had weapons, number killed/injured, name and age of perpetrator but how much more detail does it go in to

I think its safe to assume he at least had whether they committed suicide, type of attack, perpatrator's gender, country it happened in, location(s) it happened in



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PostSubject: Re: Anybody seen Adams spreadsheet ?   Anybody seen Adams spreadsheet ? Icon_minitimeSun Oct 15, 2017 2:19 pm

Myll wrote:
This really makes me wonder, how detailed was his spreadsheet.
We know that he had weapons, number killed/injured, name and age of perpetrator but how much more detail does it go in to

I think its safe to assume he at least had whether they committed suicide, type of attack, perpatrator's gender, country it happened in, location(s) it happened in

This is something I wonder about as well. As I mentioned earlier, he had the average age of the victims on hand.

Smiggles (10/28/11) wrote:
The average age of the people that Robert Hawkins shot was 49. That doesn't seem to be getting back at kids who have redundantly pumped-up kicks.

This suggests to me that he was recording every detail that he could reliably gather for multiple mass shooters.

In addition to what you mentioned, I am guessing that he may have also recorded details about the perpetrator such as developmental disorders or mental health diagnoses they received before their attack and possibly postmortem diagnoses (like Eric Harris, the psychopath), the stated motivation for the killings, the family background (possibly including things like race or ethnic background, family military service, the marital status of parents and socioeconomic class), marital status (and maybe whether they were considered loners or had a regular social life), military aspirations or service, previous interest in weapons or firearms and other interests, religious, philosophical or political affiliations, general personality traits and other things like that, where patterns seem to develop among mass shooters.

Smiggles (11/8/11) wrote:
Without applying my pet theory as to the origin of mass murder, which you're accusing me of doing, anyone can see that Robert Hawkins did explicitly share the socioeconomic characteristics of much older mass murderers. Instead of approaching it through simply stereotyping him as a school shooter who was bullied by his classmates, it would thus be more accurate to approach it through simply stereotyping him as maybe being a young version of Mark Barton, with whom he shared many similarities.

If we could identify the similarities between Mark Barton and Robert Hawkins, we might be able to figure out some of the characteristics that he was tracking and which ones he considered relevant enough in his analysis of mass murderers to draw a comparison between the two of them. Mark's attack does not seem to bear much resemblance to Robert's attack since it mainly took place at his former employer's office, so we might guess that he was referring strictly to background circumstances. Strangely, Mark was a 44 year old day trader who was married with two children (and he killed all three before the attack) so it's hard to see the resemblance to Robert there either. I really don't know why Adam thought of them as being similar but I think it would be an interesting task to attempt to figure out why Adam pointed to Mark as a shooter who had things in common with Robert.
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