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 Newtown A Mystery that will never be solved?

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PostSubject: Newtown A Mystery that will never be solved?   Newtown A Mystery that will never be solved? Icon_minitimeSun Jul 30, 2017 12:23 pm

Around this time we already know crystal clear about the events at CHS in 1999 and the lifestyle and motives of Eric And Dylan, i believe it is now time for alot of people here to start building a stronger picture of Newtown and the events that happened there aswell as the motives and mind of Adam Lanza, for so long Sandy Hook has been sat in a fog and many anomalies and speculations have been thought up but nothing new has really emerged since 2013/2014. I believe there needs to be channels like CVA on the topic of Newtown and you could say there is already sandy hook facts and the site Sandy hook lighthouse but they pretty much debunk the hoaxes piece by piece instead of further investigating stuff beyond that of what we know and i do think some community effort could dig up small amounts of information about Adam and what he did, through contacting people familiar with the event, emailing Connecticut state with inquiries on small unanswered details to do with the event or asking to have unredact documents (even though they are very secretive and redacted alot of information that doesn't seem appropriate to redact) so really its rare you'll get anything out of that, or we could just scrap piece by piece are own files and final report with enhanced qualities and more information into a document.

From my findings i found a very interesting YT channel named AryanEmpires and he might seem a bit strange but he brings up some information i have never heard of on the case from rare documents and brings up many interesting points, aside from him seeming a bit strange he makes some good Newtown content worth checking out.

anyway tell me what you think about the idea of digging deeper into Newtown and attempting to paint a clearer picture of the mysterious event.
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From my findings i found a very interesting YT channel named AryanEmpires and he might seem a bit strange but he brings up some information i have never heard of on the case from rare documents and brings up many interesting points, aside from him seeming a bit strange he makes some good Newtown content worth checking out.

anyway tell me what you think about the idea of digging deeper into Newtown and attempting to paint a clearer picture of the mysterious event.
I just went to this guy's main page and I saw this quote in the description before watching the video.

Adam Lanza was a student of history, with Far Right Wing / Nazi beliefs, similar to Anders Breivik, and very similar to the Columbine Massacre shooters Harris & Klebold, whom he also admired...therefore, I believe Adam Lanza, and those who assisted him with the planning and execution of the Sandy Hook Massacre, SPECIFICALLY CHOSE the date of 2012.12.14… this was the 75th Anniversary of the rejection of the German American Bund's attempt to build the largest Nazi Youth Camp & Training Center within the United States, specifically in Southbury Connecticut, only a short distance from Sandy Hook

I was hesitant to watch the video as I have to say that I find this interpretation laughable. Aside from the filler footage, I would say that the video provided a nice history lesson but not any new information about Adam Lanza. In fact, it seemed to twist the evidence to make him appear to be a Nazi supporter.

To put it bluntly, there is no way in hell that anyone could read everything written by Adam Lanza and believe that he was a Nazi supporter or admirer, had fascist leanings or had much at all in common with Breivik's ideology. Adam had anarchist leanings and was clearly extremely anti-authoritarian. If Adam objected to the so-called indoctrination of American children, I would assume that he was horrified at the intensive indoctrination and behavioral control that the Nazis and other fascist governments inflicted on their citizens, including their youth. Why on earth would he look for revenge for the denial of an attempt to build a youth indoctrination center in the US?

In regard to Adam's admiration for Anders Breivik, I would say that in some sense this is certainly true, however I don't believe it had anything to do with an identification with his ideology. Adam appeared to admire Breivik's single-minded focus on carrying out his mission and expressed an interest in the piece of Anders' manifesto which focused on his preparation for attack, not in the part which focused on his ideology. It's possible that Adam also identified in a broad sense with Anders' struggle against mainstream ideology but that does not suggest that Adam agreed with Anders' point of view in a specific sense, only that Adam felt the same sort of helplessness against societal norms and that he felt that there was something admirable about a man mounting an attack against a society that was normalizing things he felt were wrong.

The Youtuber himself is obviously focused on the subject of fascism, so it's not surprising to me that he might see this as being related to Adam's attack. I don't think that it was (and if it is, it's basically the opposite ideological identification from what is assumed in the video which may have contributed to his motive) and based only on this video and browsing some of his comments, it seems to me that he may be an idiosyncratic Sandy Hook conspiracy theorist more than anything else. Maybe I'm being closed-minded here but at this point, I don't even want to bother watching any of his other videos. Still, a dedicated conspiracy theorist can sometimes be a good source of information even if you disagree with their interpretations of the evidence so I am curious about what information about the case was new to you, which rare documents he pointed to in his videos and what those documents supposedly prove about Adam Lanza.

On the subject of digging deeper- I would love it. Any new information that can be gathered is something that I would like to see. I have tried my best to find new information and have, for the most part, come up with nothing at all. If anyone finds some credible information that has not been addressed, please post it here! If anyone wants to discuss aspects of the case that have not been discussed previously, please make a thread! This case is my main interest and I would love to have more information but I think that any conclusions must be backed up by all of the facts, in context. I have studied as much evidence as possible and I don't think I have all the answers. Honestly, I don't think that all of the answers can be found in the information that we do have so I always hope for something new to pop up but I don't expect that we will ever have every piece of the puzzle as long as the police refuse to release the contents of Adam's private writings and the other information on his hard drive.

Unfortunately, reaching to a minor historical connection in terms of the date and location as a motive for Adam's attack is a bit of a stretch and I think it's taking the conversation in the wrong direction because it seems to ignore things that Adam explicitly stated (and reiterated over and over again) in order to back up a theory that does not hold much weight if all of the available evidence is taken into consideration.
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PostSubject: Re: Newtown A Mystery that will never be solved?   Newtown A Mystery that will never be solved? Icon_minitimeTue Aug 01, 2017 2:02 pm

@sscc thats why i was saying his strange because i find it ridiculous with the whole anti-fascism thing and potraying Adam as far right and he seems strange anyway but some of his vids bring up details not many people would find or know about otherwise unless they were active in researching it
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We don't know the exact motivation of Lanza, and we probably never will. However, we do have several theories backed up with loads of evidence.

Maybe he wanted to save the kids from what he viewed as a system of cultural indoctrination
Maybe he resented the kids for being happy and healthy
Maybe his sexuality had a hand in the shooting
Maybe he just wanted to kill a large amount of people with little resistance and with maximum shock value.
Maybe it was some other fucking reason.

This is a factor in Lanza's fame. He left behind enough indirect writings, via his emails and forum posts, to get a general idea of his personality and his beliefs. He didn't explicitly state his motives but left behind just enough to allow for various theories, allowing for speculation. When you combine this with a high body count and child victims, you get maximum fame.

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STK wrote:

Maybe he wanted to save the kids from what he viewed as a system of cultural indoctrination

Maybe he just wanted to kill a large amount of people with little resistance and with maximum shock value.

I believe these two speculations would be my view of his motive along with his mental problems and seeming like he wanted to get higher death tolls than other mass killers.
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