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vegas,pulse,vtech,sandy hook, lubys, mcdonalds, texas, edmond, San Bernardino..these were all before the sutherland springs shooting

..you could also argue that the Binghamton in which 13 got killed that was committed by a single shooter are  "higher ranked" then columbine..also the Seattle massacre in 1983 had 13 deaths
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I agree there are several shootings that are higher ranked then Columbine, yet in my opinion Columbine still remains one of the most discussed and researched.
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If you could go back in time and stop Columbine think how many related/inspired shootings you'd stop....too bad it wouldn't stop Pulse or Las Vegas or Sutherland Springs, but it *might* stop V-Tech and Sandy Hook...

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I agree there are several shootings that are higher ranked then Columbine, yet in my opinion Columbine still remains one of the most discussed and researched.

It is perhaps the most infamous mass shooting in history.

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If you could go back in time and stop Columbine think how many related/inspired shootings you'd stop....too bad it wouldn't stop Pulse or Las Vegas or Sutherland Springs, but it *might* stop V-Tech and Sandy Hook...
Don't forget the various shooters inspired by Cho and (to a lesser extent) Adam; and remember the various shooters who were inspired by those shooters. It's possible the 2007-2017 period of large scale mass murder would have been entirely prevented, or at the very least been far less severe.

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Doesn't that just confirm that it's not so much about the numbers of victims?
I guess Columbine is somewhat unique with two teenage shooters that hatch an elaborate plan of mass destruction for, what, a year in advance? Plus the wealth of information available to anyone who cares to look.
Yes, numbers do matter, but there's other things that contributed much more to making Columbine into the thing it is.
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Columbine was initially about numbers, since at the time it was the deadliest school shooting in the US. I feel like over time it has become something else and people remain interested for varied reasons. In a weird way, it's almost nostalgic for those who were growing up in the 90s.

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Columbine was initially about numbers, since at the time it was the deadliest school shooting in the US. I feel like over time it has become something else and people remain interested for varied reasons. In a weird way, it's almost nostalgic for those who were growing up in the 90s.

My bad! I wasn't quite old enough to "get it" at the time.
It does explain the continued interest imo, though.
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Columbine was shocking for it's time. News coverage also plays a big role in the infamy.
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Remember Dylan saying most deaths in u.s history. If they saw this they would be pretty embarrassed.
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Doesn't that just confirm that it's not so much about the numbers of victims?

no, columbine happened at a time when no real big mass shootings were happening. Sure there was lubys and McDonalds but those were written off as mentally sick adults. COlumbine was with 2 shooters for the intent of mass killings on the scale of okc. With round the clock news coverage they became "legends"
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Littlelo wrote:
Columbine was initially about numbers, since at the time it was the deadliest school shooting in the US. I feel like over time it has become something else and people remain interested for varied reasons. In a weird way, it's almost nostalgic for those who were growing up in the 90s.

My bad! I wasn't quite old enough to "get it" at the time.
It does explain the continued interest imo, though.

Texas sniper killed more then columbine
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Wumselito wrote:
Doesn't that just confirm that it's not so much about the numbers of victims?
I guess Columbine is somewhat unique with two teenage shooters that hatch an elaborate plan of mass destruction for, what, a year in advance? Plus the wealth of information available to anyone who cares to look.
Yes, numbers do matter, but there's other things that contributed much more to making Columbine into the thing it is.

People should not be viewed as numbers. I also dislike when they employ something aptly called ''the hierarchy of death''.
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If you could go back in time and stop Columbine think how many related/inspired shootings you'd stop....too bad it wouldn't stop Pulse or Las Vegas or Sutherland Springs, but it *might* stop V-Tech and Sandy Hook...
Don't forget the various shooters inspired by Cho and (to a lesser extent) Adam; and remember the various shooters who were inspired by those shooters. It's possible the 2007-2017 period of large scale mass murder would have been entirely prevented, or at the very least been far less severe.

I didn't know Cho and Lanza were having that much influence, but I forgot to mention the Aurora Batman fuckwit who probably jerked off to Columbine (there's a pic of him where he's holding a bomb and making an "oooo" face that looks uncannily like Eric in "Hitmen For Hire") Not to mention the guy we had posting here recently who actually did kill people (shudder).

If Elliot Rodger is influencing people, then it's time for the human race to just lay down and die. I'm not being serious, but maybe I am. TELL me that's not happening.

To whoever else in this thread said it's a 90s nostalgia thing: yes it is.

There were no *mass* shootings happening in 1999 really but people had not *forgotten* the Jonesboro, Paducah and Oregon shootings--those got their fair share of coverage, just not as much as the well-implemented, far-more-planned, far more ambitious Columbine. Hey, I'm pretty sure the two little Arkansas redneck kids who did Jonesboro landed on the cover of Time.
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If Elliot Rodger is influencing people, then it's time for the human race to just lay down and die.  I'm not being serious, but maybe I am.  TELL me that's not happening.

Christopher Harper-Mercer listed Elliot Roger as his biggest influence.

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The fact that Rodger was dubbed "The Virgin Killer" and still somehow has followers is beyond me...
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If Elliot Rodger is influencing people, then it's time for the human race to just lay down and die.  I'm not being serious, but maybe I am.  TELL me that's not happening.

Christopher Harper-Mercer listed Elliot Roger as his biggest influence.

where, i didnt know they released any of his writing
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Eric wasn't even sure if they would have copycats after they went NBK. If the shooters who claimed to be following E&D really examined their writings and journals in-depth, they would realize how immature and misguided they really were.
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where, i didnt know they released any of his writing
The police completed their investigation into the shooting earlier this year and a bunch of stuff related to the attack was released. You can find it all here:
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In his manifesto he specifically mentions Lanza, Eric and Dylan, Vester Flanagan, Cho, and Elliot. In it he complains about the sexuality of black men and his virginity. Based on this he appears to have either incorporated Elliot's ideas into his belief system, or his pre-existing belief system is what caused him to take an interest in Elliot's case.

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where, i didnt know they released any of his writing
The police completed their investigation into the shooting earlier this year and a bunch of stuff related to the attack was released. You can find it all here:
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In his manifesto he specifically mentions Lanza, Eric and Dylan, Vester Flanagan, Cho, and Elliot. In it he complains about the sexuality of black men and his virginity. Based on this he appears to have either incorporated Elliot's ideas into his belief system, or his pre-existing belief system is what caused him to take an interest in Elliot's case.

i feel a lot of shooters reference vester, i swear another big shooter talked about him. But he only got 2 kills, maybe because he recorded it/ was broadcast live
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If Elliot Rodger is influencing people, then it's time for the human race to just lay down and die.  I'm not being serious, but maybe I am.  TELL me that's not happening.
4chan's /r9k/ board loves him; just search up "Elliot Rodger" on /r9k/ here:
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These are the same people who gave Chris Harper-Mercer tips on killing people. nice place.

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The fact that Rodger was dubbed "The Virgin Killer" and still somehow has followers is beyond me...

Roger's followers are largely comprised of people called "incels" (meaning "involuntary celibate"). People who refer to themselves as an incel are generally just as deranged, entitled, and misogynistic as Roger himself, so naturally they see him as some sort of role model. It's to the point where they call him "Saint Elliot".

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The fact that Rodger was dubbed "The Virgin Killer" and still somehow has followers is beyond me...

Roger's followers are largely comprised of people called "incels" (meaning "involuntary celibate"). People who refer to themselves as an incel are generally just as deranged, entitled, and misogynistic as Roger himself, so naturally they see him as some sort of role model. It's to the point where they call him "Saint Elliot".

Elliot's Incels are much like Eric's and Dylan's Fangirls.
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vegas,pulse,vtech,sandy hook, lubys, mcdonalds, texas, edmond, San Bernardino..these were all before the sutherland springs shooting

..you could also argue that the Binghamton in which 13 got killed that was committed by a single shooter are  "higher ranked" then columbine..also the Seattle massacre in 1983 had 13 deaths

Seattle was more of a gang-intended shooting gone wrong
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Columbine would be 2nd if it happened here in England.
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