My theory on what would've happened if things went according to plans.

I think that the bomb would've only killed or have seriously injured the people close to it, killing 20-25 people and would've injured 150ish people. The bombs would likely make a bit of the library collapse, probably only resulting in broken arms and legs. Eric and Dylan would've just sprayed into the fleeing hoard maybe killing 10-15 and injuring many more (also take into fact Eric's gun only held 10 rounds before having to reload and Dylan had mostly 10 round clips, I think He had a couple of large clips, but they were low quality). So the shooting still would've been infamous but not as cinematic and "epic" as the boys expected.

Yeah I agree that they were severely over exaggerating what their mediocre bombs would do. Did they ever even consider that THEY could be killed by their own bombs? The idea that they planned this ordeal out "so well" always amused me since I personally feel they really missed some key scenarios that could've severely screwed up what they were shooting (no pun intended) for.

It's weird because I hear different opinions on their planning and efforts. Some people say the devices they made seemed very sophisticated for just two teenagers, but others say they were quite the opposite and it was clear they didn't really know what they were doing, despite all the planning that went into it.

I don't think the "bombs" would have done anything besides cause a fire. Maybe a couple of injuries but no casualties.

Their "bombs" were pure crap.

They would have actually killed less people had they gone off because more people would have run out of the school.

Thinking about it now everything kind of worked in their favor that day. They had crap guns, crap bombs, limited ammo and they still killed 13 people and injured 20+ others. It was like a perfect storm including the police failing to do anything for HOURS and kids not being brave enough to tackle either of them like what happened to Kip Kinkel. Kip Kinkel also had a better gun and more ammo.

I also find it ironic that they thought choosing the time where the cafeteria was the fullest would give them the most casualties. However, because their bombs failed, most kids were able to escape thanks to Dave Sanders' quick thinking. Most students were concentrated in one area of the school and were able to flee, instead of being disbursed, walking throughout the hallways or in classrooms/offices.

Pho3nix wrote:

Yeah I agree that they were severely over exaggerating what their mediocre bombs would do. Did they ever even consider that THEY could be killed by their own bombs? The idea that they planned this ordeal out "so well" always amused me since I personally feel they really missed some key scenarios that could've severely screwed up what they were shooting (no pun intended) for.

Yeah, there was a great deal they didn't account for. They never even tested the bombs they had to see if they would work, and never considered having a Plan B in case the bombs failed. They were terrible planners.

QuestionMark wrote:

Pho3nix wrote:

Yeah I agree that they were severely over exaggerating what their mediocre bombs would do. Did they ever even consider that THEY could be killed by their own bombs? The idea that they planned this ordeal out "so well" always amused me since I personally feel they really missed some key scenarios that could've severely screwed up what they were shooting (no pun intended) for.

Yeah, there was a great deal they didn't account for. They never even tested the bombs they had to see if they would work, and never considered having a Plan B in case the bombs failed. They were terrible planners.

Yeah they just improvised on the spot and started shooting outside the school. If they were better planners they'd park their cars against the exits to prevent people from running out or something.

Ivan wrote:

Yeah they just improvised on the spot and started shooting outside the school. If they were better planners they'd park their cars against the exits to prevent people from running out or something. 

All they had to do was head into the cafeteria and start shooting in there, and that would've been a better idea than what they ended up doing.

QuestionMark wrote:

Ivan wrote:

Yeah they just improvised on the spot and started shooting outside the school. If they were better planners they'd park their cars against the exits to prevent people from running out or something. 

All they could've done was head into the cafeteria and start shooting in there, and that would've been a better idea than what they ended up doing.

Without even letting anybody see their guns or know they were a threat, yeah, that'd work. They'd also have a much bigger chance of getting jumped though like Kip Kinkel who kinda did that in his little shooting spree.

Thinking about the kip kinkel getting tackled I wonder why Cho did not get tackled I mean people heard him reload his clips I saw that in a Cho interview let me see if I find the link

Ivan wrote:

QuestionMark wrote:

Ivan wrote:

Yeah they just improvised on the spot and started shooting outside the school. If they were better planners they'd park their cars against the exits to prevent people from running out or something. 

All they could've done was head into the cafeteria and start shooting in there, and that would've been a better idea than what they ended up doing.

Without even letting anybody see their guns or know they were a threat, yeah, that'd work. They'd also have a much bigger chance of getting jumped though like Kip Kinkel who kinda did that in his little shooting spree.

How can you run up and tackle someone with a loaded gun thought It seems like suicide unless everyone in the cafeteria rushed them.

James411 wrote:

Ivan wrote:

QuestionMark wrote:

Ivan wrote:

Yeah they just improvised on the spot and started shooting outside the school. If they were better planners they'd park their cars against the exits to prevent people from running out or something. 

All they could've done was head into the cafeteria and start shooting in there, and that would've been a better idea than what they ended up doing.

Without even letting anybody see their guns or know they were a threat, yeah, that'd work. They'd also have a much bigger chance of getting jumped though like Kip Kinkel who kinda did that in his little shooting spree.

How can you run up and tackle someone with a loaded gun thought It seems like suicide unless everyone in the cafeteria rushed them.

That's what I meant. Like if two or three people rushed Eric and Dylan they could subdue them.

In regards to Cho not getting jumped, he had clips and ammo just ready to go. It took him a whole 2 seconds to reload his guns. Nobody would even have the chance to jump him because by the time they tried to rush him they'd be dead.

That's something that isn't talked about when thinking about Cho. He was honestly the most well prepared mass shooter.

Ivan wrote:

That's something that isn't talked about when thinking about Cho. He was honestly the most well prepared mass shooter.

Would the Orlando shooter qualify for this title as well? I mean, he actually secured most exits (with wood if I'm not mistaken?) and had the most casualties until the Vegas shooter came along.

Ivan wrote:

Without even letting anybody see their guns or know they were a threat, yeah, that'd work. They'd also have a much bigger chance of getting jumped though like Kip Kinkel who kinda did that in his little shooting spree.

Of course, but there are two of them, so even if one does get jumped the other can back him up.

Pho3nix wrote:

Ivan wrote:

That's something that isn't talked about when thinking about Cho. He was honestly the most well prepared mass shooter.

Would the Orlando shooter qualify for this title as well? I mean, he actually secured most exits (with wood if I'm not mistaken?) and had the most casualties until the Vegas shooter came along.

Kind of but he had better guns than Cho.

They both did the same sort of thing though and got a lot of kills.

QuestionMark wrote:

Ivan wrote:

Without even letting anybody see their guns or know they were a threat, yeah, that'd work. They'd also have a much bigger chance of getting jumped though like Kip Kinkel who kinda did that in his little shooting spree.

Of course, but there are two of them, so even if one does get jumped the other can back him up.

But not if like 15 people rush them though which could have happened too.

This is exactly the reason to why E & D are the most overrated shooters.

Ivan wrote:

James411 wrote:

Ivan wrote:

QuestionMark wrote:

Ivan wrote:

Yeah they just improvised on the spot and started shooting outside the school. If they were better planners they'd park their cars against the exits to prevent people from running out or something. 

All they could've done was head into the cafeteria and start shooting in there, and that would've been a better idea than what they ended up doing.

Without even letting anybody see their guns or know they were a threat, yeah, that'd work. They'd also have a much bigger chance of getting jumped though like Kip Kinkel who kinda did that in his little shooting spree.

How can you run up and tackle someone with a loaded gun thought It seems like suicide unless everyone in the cafeteria rushed them.

That's what I meant. Like if two or three people rushed Eric and Dylan they could subdue them.

In regards to Cho not getting jumped, he had clips and ammo just ready to go. It took him a whole 2 seconds to reload his guns. Nobody would even have the chance to jump him because by the time they tried to rush him they'd be dead.

I just do not see it. I cannot see Eric and Dylan getting jumped. There were two of them they both hand guns. And they could watch each others back. If say 5 kids rushed them Eric and Dylan would probably be able to shoot 2 or 3 and that would scare off the rest.

Littlelo wrote:

It's weird because I hear different opinions on their planning and efforts. Some people say the devices they made seemed very sophisticated for just two teenagers, but others say they were quite the opposite and it was clear they didn't really know what they were doing, despite all the planning that went into it.

It just all depends on how you look at it and from what angle.

The younger teen me thought, "DAMN! How did they plan all that out!? As the plan seemed very in depth and detailed for a couple of teens. While adult me is like, "How the hell did they think that would work?!" They went in with untested bombs, as Eric was confident in his bomb making abilities. Also testing them would have gained some much unwanted attention and possibly blown the whole deal. They also didn't seem to have much of(if any)backup plan if things got derailed.

Most adults would agree that the whole NBK plan was just childish and stupid. But their plans did unfortunately work to a certain degree. It cost 15 lives, with an untold number of injured/mentally scarred for life .

Ivan wrote:

That's something that isn't talked about when thinking about Cho. He was honestly the most well prepared mass shooter.

Anders Breivik's attack blows Cho's out of the water in terms of preparation. Granted that was also a bombing, but he was much more prepared for the shooting part as well.

I agree with everything you said OP. That's exactly how I imagined it would have gone down.
If the bombs were strong enough like the media and police claimed, it would have killed or seriously injured both of them too.

Ivan wrote:

I don't think the "bombs" would have done anything besides cause a fire. Maybe a couple of injuries but no casualties.

Their "bombs" were pure crap.

They would have actually killed less people had they gone off because more people would have run out of the school.

Thinking about it now everything kind of worked in their favor that day. They had crap guns, crap bombs, limited ammo and they still killed 13 people and injured 20+ others. It was like a perfect storm including the police failing to do anything for HOURS and kids not being brave enough to tackle either of them like what happened to Kip Kinkel. Kip Kinkel also had a better gun and more ammo.

Kinkel's rifle was a good gun but it was sawed off and fired .22, his Glock was really good though