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These school shootings have become the norm now. It’s quite amazing to me how normal they have really become. In most instances, Columbine was a factor into why a lot of these shootings occurred. Most, not all.

Whether you want to call it dumb luck, perfect storm from the perpetrators and media, there is no doubt Columbine changed everything.
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These school shootings have become the norm now. It’s quite amazing to me how normal they have really become. In most instances, Columbine was a factor into why a lot of these shootings occurred. Most, not all.

Whether you want to call it dumb luck, perfect storm from the perpetrators and media, there is no doubt Columbine changed everything.

Eric and Dylan might have been wrong about the bombs going off, but just about everything they said would happen in the aftermath happened. They even got several movies made about them (granted, they weren't famous movies).

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They even got several movies made about them (granted, they weren't famous movies).


I'm sure if they exist somewhere in some form or another that they are still PISSED over the movies that have been made, and who was picked to play them. Haha
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They even got several movies made about them (granted, they weren't famous movies).


I'm sure if they exist somewhere in some form or another that they are still PISSED over the movies that have been made, and who was picked to play them. Haha

The closest Dylan I think was Zero Hour. Worst Dylan was from the BT recreation video

All Eric’s so far were mediocre at best.

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They even got several movies made about them (granted, they weren't famous movies).


I'm sure if they exist somewhere in some form or another that they are still PISSED over the movies that have been made, and who was picked to play them. Haha

The closest Dylan I think was Zero Hour. Worst Dylan was from the BT recreation video

All Eric’s so far were mediocre at best.  


In my opinion the closest Eric has been Ben Johnson also from Zero Hour. The rest were not even close.
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I remember reading Langman's analysis on Cho, and Langman used Cho's statements about starting a revolution as evidence of schizophrenia.....................but in a way he was right.

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They even got several movies made about them (granted, they weren't famous movies).


I'm sure if they exist somewhere in some form or another that they are still PISSED over the movies that have been made, and who was picked to play them. Haha

The closest Dylan I think was Zero Hour. Worst Dylan was from the BT recreation video

All Eric’s so far were mediocre at best.  


In my opinion the closest Eric has been Ben Johnson also from Zero Hour. The rest were not even close.

Yea, I can get behind that.

The boys who felt so unloved and alienated certainly made an impact. Everyone that died did.

Books, poems, plays, movies, songs have been written about them. They moaned about girls not liking them and now gals who weren’t even conceived when they died are mooning over their pictures and videos. Hell I thought Eric was very handsome when I first saw his face that day . Which confused me.
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Eric and Dylan might have been wrong about the bombs going off, but just about everything they said would happen in the aftermath happened. They even got several movies made about them (granted, they weren't famous movies).

I honestly feel the same way, the carnage they planned didn't go through as intended but they didn't need to kill over a hundred people to cement themselves in history, as grim as it sounds I think in some degree at the end of the day that Eric and Dylan "won", they got what they wanted, they have secured their place in history and has inspired pop culture and hundreds of copycat attacks and to me Columbine is a pivotal point in the evolution of mass murder. People feared that the release of the basement tapes would be a "call to arms" and inspire such copycat attacks but that happened regardless if they were released or not, the fact that something like Columbine happened and the circumstances and the key figures that surround was already a call to arms to those felt that way and unfortunately alot of people did view Columbine as the revenge of the disenfranchised of society.

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I don't exactly give the credit to Columbine, I don't see it as the start of it all, as much as I see it as the warnings of what is to come.
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I don't exactly give the credit to Columbine, I don't see it as the start of it all, as much as I see it as the warnings of what is to come.
It wasn't the start of it all but it was the quick escalation of it all.
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I don't exactly give the credit to Columbine, I don't see it as the start of it all, as much as I see it as the warnings of what is to come.
It wasn't the start of it all but it was the quick escalation of it all.


I agree that Columbine seems to be the standard in which other school shooters try to emulate, even if it was 19 years ago.
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They even got several movies made about them (granted, they weren't famous movies).


I'm sure if they exist somewhere in some form or another that they are still PISSED over the movies that have been made, and who was picked to play them. Haha

I think they'd be more hung up on the fact that the movies that were put out there didn't really make a big impact in cinema history.

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They even got several movies made about them (granted, they weren't famous movies).


I'm sure if they exist somewhere in some form or another that they are still PISSED over the movies that have been made, and who was picked to play them. Haha

I think they'd be more hung up on the fact that the movies that were put out there didn't really make a big impact in cinema history.


Likely that to. Smile
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They even got several movies made about them (granted, they weren't famous movies).


I'm sure if they exist somewhere in some form or another that they are still PISSED over the movies that have been made, and who was picked to play them. Haha

I think they'd be more hung up on the fact that the movies that were put out there didn't really make a big impact in cinema history.

Elephant won the Palme d'Or, at least.
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Is Elephant the reason the gay rumors started or was that the national enquirer?

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Is Elephant the reason the gay rumors started or was that the national enquirer?
Tabloid magazines also had headlines proclaiming that the shooters were gay during coverage back in 1999.
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Is Elephant the reason the gay rumors started or was that the national enquirer?
Tabloid magazines also had headlines proclaiming that the shooters were gay during coverage back in 1999.
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Thank you. I know the suicide photos were leaked during my 12 year hiatus of researching. I don’t actually remember this coverage at all. Which is odd because I was pretty heavy into my researching then. Then again I was interviewed for an online mag based in Denver about our fundraising initiatives for the victims. and I don’t remember any of that... I just discovered it through some Google search

Though to be honest I think I dipped back into it a few times because I vaguely remember seeing hitman for hire when it was first on YouTube and I do remember reading Dylan’s journals at some point along time ago. Also I’m trying to remember if I saw the suicide photos at some point before last year.
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I remember reading Langman's analysis on Cho, and Langman used Cho's statements about starting a revolution as evidence of schizophrenia.....................but in a way he was right.

Cho never mentioned hearing voices did he?

Joining other murderers influenced by Columbine and calling it a revolution is not entirely delusional. They will continuously be influenced however their plan to kill is entirely their own and has nothing to do with Columbine. The followers are not really followers because they created their own plans and carried them out in their own life. The idea might not have come from Columbine but from before Columbine in an idea of just having a "war" with school. They are in their own world. Eager to join another perhaps, where they are accepted despite what they have done however becoming angry with the new ways they are treated because the only people willing to overlook their behavior are people who normalized unwelcome behavior.

Cho a schizophrenic, I do not believe so. I think his behavior was mostly to intimidate and find relief and confidence. or revenge.

Cho was in a dangerous situation for someone like him, having to trust roommates and people in a college living in the dorms, I have no idea how he could agree to live like that. A schizophrenic would be too paranoid to live with roommates I think. So he was not overly paranoid in that regard.

Some of the ways Cho was treated despite his behavior were unfair. He was kicked out of a writing class for writing something that was not appropriate where you would think that they were allowed to express whatever they had wanted to. He was removed and had to do one on one lessons with a professor and after the first lesson he cried as he left and she ran after him and gave him a copy of her book. People thinking his behavior was odd was not really a reason to exclude him and it makes me wonder what type of people they threw out of their own families or groups for being too odd. Which actually seems anti-social. No one is to blame but Cho. You cannot expect life to be what you fantasize about. Maybe it won't ever be that. You will have to survive with another life. Cho didn't want that life. He was selfish and wanted a life where he would cause harm and death to other things for his own pleasure. Other people getting away with that lifestyle seemed to enrage him. No doubt a suicidal and homicidal individual that was already depressed for years and had the plan for years was just being treated as he always was. What they called selective mutism was more like he had nothing to say to these people in the situations he was in. His professor said she kicked him out because she could not control him(whatever that meant). Cho was shuffled around by very controlling judgemental people that do not forgive and do not forget. A sign of anti-social behavior. No one really said that these groups were comprised of forgiving people. Sometimes you are funneled into a strange reality. Sometimes over and over again. A professional education center is not really the place to want to be treated as one of the gang. I wonder if he had any other group activities other than educational facilities. Groups of anti-social people always think they are "socializing".
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Cho admired Eric and Dylan. It is ones choice to murder innocent people at your own school or college but Columbine had a lot of influence on most of these shootings the past 19 years. There is no doubt they influenced the shooters in a such a way that gave them the ability to actually go through with it.
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Cho was in a dangerous situation for someone like him, having to trust roommates and people in a college living in the dorms, I have no idea how he could agree to live like that. A schizophrenic would be too paranoid to live with roommates I think. So he was not overly paranoid in that regard.

Not all schizophrenics are of the paranoid variety.

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Cho admired Eric and Dylan. It is ones choice to murder innocent people at your own school or college but Columbine had a lot of influence on most of these shootings the past 19 years. There is no doubt they influenced the shooters in a such a way that gave them the ability to actually go through with it.

I believe they wanted to massacre before they even heard of Columbine. In some fashion. As children.
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I hear that. I just feel Columbine gives would be shooters that extra jolt of motivation to commit these acts.
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I hear that. I just feel Columbine gives would be shooters that extra jolt of motivation to commit these acts.

No I think they just want to see someone doing what they wanted to or thought about as children. To get as close as possible.
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beer pizza and ice cream seems like a better fantasy life
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What the fuck has that got to do with anything?
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What the fuck has that got to do with anything?

Don't acknowledge it and it will go away.

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What the fuck has that got to do with anything?

Don't acknowledge it and it will go away.

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People give Columbine too much credit.
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People give Columbine too much credit.

What makes you say that?

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People give Columbine too much credit.

What makes you say that?

I am interested too, I think there is evidence to the contrary.

Also when Parkland happened they didn't go ask the kids from Virginia Tech or Jonesboro how they felt, they went to the kids who survived Columbine.
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People give Columbine too much credit.
Well considering that nearly every School Shooting afterwards was inspired by Columbine, I think they're right.
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People give Columbine too much credit.
Well considering that nearly every School Shooting afterwards was inspired by Columbine, I think they're right.

I wouldn't say nearly every school shooting is inspired by Columbine. No one is gonna see Columbine, and think "alright, time to emulate".

I think the "Columbine effect" is on the same level as "video games caused it".
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People give Columbine too much credit.
Well considering that nearly every School Shooting afterwards was inspired by Columbine, I think they're right.

I wouldn't say nearly every school shooting is inspired by Columbine. No one is gonna see Columbine, and think "alright, time to emulate".

I think the "Columbine effect" is on the same level as "video games caused it".

Quite a few shootings were inspired by Columbine though. I wouldn't say that Columbine is the only reason that so many of these shootings happen but I do think it helps motivate some people.

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These school shootings have become the norm now. It’s quite amazing to me how normal they have really become. In most instances, Columbine was a factor into why a lot of these shootings occurred. Most, not all.

Whether you want to call it dumb luck, perfect storm from the perpetrators and media, there is no doubt Columbine changed everything.
They aren't really a norm, though. School rampage shootings are extremely rare. There are about 26000 high schools in USA. If school rampage shootings were a norm there, they would happen in most of schools, not in, like, several per year.

It's all media brainwashing. Fearmongering sells so they fearmonger. Sensation sells so they sensationalise. It's one of the main reasons why I have quit watching TV. They take something extremely uncommon and then make it like something that actually happens regularly by disproportionationally talking about it. Nobody makes news about 26000 high schools that didn't get shoot up.

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