Natural Born Killers

Why didn´t this movie get more hate? Eric and Dylan literally stole the idea from the movie it seems, but the scapegoat was mostly violent video-games.
I don´t think I have even seen anyone mention Natural Born Killer the movie, or maybe I have seen it briefly once but can´t quite remember. 

In the movie Mickey and Mallory are two spree killers who go from place to place and kill people and only to leave 1 witness to tell their story.
Eric and Dylan´s originally plan actually intended for them to continue their rampage after they would have blown up Columbine High School.
And also they even called their School Shooting NBK (Natural Born Killers) and also used similar sunglasses as Mickey used in the movie.
So for them to have copied so much from the movie it feels so strange that the movie didn´t get more of a backlash. 

I think I covered the topic, but it´s 3:45am in Denmark right now and I am very tired but I just wanted to makes this quick thread.
Please tell me what you think or add any other similarities I might have forgotten.

I think Dylan was more attached to NBK since he really did copy Mickey's aesthetic towards the end (ponytail, glasses etc..) as a lot of us know Dylan wanted to initially find his own Mallory to go on a killing spree with and then die at the end.

Sue even mentions this in talks she has, she said that they copied the movie Natural Born Killers.

I'm not sure why it didn't get as much flack. I remember some mumblings about the Basketball Diaries back then but no one ever mentioned the boys liking that. Also Heathers didn't get any backlash and there is even a musical now... which off topic if you like musicals do yourself a favor and listen to it, it's VERY good. I often make jokes that Cullen's version of Eric is JD.

Screamingophelia wrote:

I often make jokes that Cullen's version of Eric is JD.

Eric did try to carry himself like JD. I always wondered if that is who he was trying to rip off like Dylan did Mickey.

W.A.R. wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

I often make jokes that Cullen's version of Eric is JD.

Eric did try to carry himself like JD. I always wondered if that is who he was trying to rip off like Dylan did Mickey.

He very well could’ve been. No shame though Heathers is great.

Now the thought of Eric saying fuck me gently with a chainsaw is making me crack up laughing

TheGoodGuy wrote:

Why didn´t this movie get more hate? Eric and Dylan literally stole the idea from the movie it seems, but the scapegoat was mostly violent video-games. 

Violent video games were the hip new thing; violent cinema stopped being shocking after the seventies. The mediums are a bit different too. Violent cinema only requires that the audience sits down and watches it, while violent video games make the audience the one who pulls the trigger a thousand times.

TheGoodGuy wrote:

Why didn´t this movie get more hate?

I think it was still quite criticized actually, just like Tarantino is still often criticized about violence in his movies and how it can influence others. I remember I watched an interview of Oliver Stone and he talked about Columbine, but I don't remember what he said, I will check on my DVD later.
Although I truly love this movie, I think it failed to deliver its message properly. The goal was to criticized the medias for making killers look cool, but I think this is exactly what the movie does too.

I think now movies are less criticized than video games even if they display the same level of violence for the reasons QuestionMark mentionned above and because we got used to. But I think it is also because the majority of people don't know about extreme movies, movies that show torture (and no, the Saw movies are not extreme) and even in some cases non simulated violence that the actors agreed to bear.

In fact, the more I see violent movies the more I think that even if violent movies have become quite mainstream, they can still have a huge impact, but not necessarily a bad impact. I draw a parallel between violent movies and pornography in the way that it can be a way to deal with urges or a need to see things. Violent movies for a need to see violence, pornography for a need to see sex, but both violence and sex are natural urges (although they don't have to be mixed, I don't think people who seek violence necessarily seek violence for sexual pleasure). You start with not that violent movies, and the more you see the more you want the violence to become extreme and for some troubled people they even want the violence to be real. And both for violence and sex/erotism you can see a soft version of it in mainstream medias. It makes me think about Ted Bundy's interview, although he was mixing violence and sex.

Sorry if I am off topic, violence in movies and whether or not it should be regulated or at what age people can see it is something that interest me a lot, and I am curious about your own opinion.

W.A.R. wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

I often make jokes that Cullen's version of Eric is JD.

Eric did try to carry himself like JD. I always wondered if that is who he was trying to rip off like Dylan did Mickey.

Eric mentioned on his website during the rebel missions not to drink a prairie fire (alcohol and hot sauce) and Heather Chandler wants a prairie oyster for her hangover... coincidence...

Neah wrote:

TheGoodGuy wrote:

Why didn´t this movie get more hate?

I think it was still quite criticized actually, just like Tarantino is still often criticized about violence in his movies and how it can influence others. I remember I watched an interview of Oliver Stone and he talked about Columbine, but I don't remember what he said, I will check on my DVD later.
Although I truly love this movie, I think it failed to deliver its message properly. The goal was to criticized the medias for making killers look cool, but I think this is exactly what the movie does too.

I think now movies are less criticized than video games even if they display the same level of violence for the reasons QuestionMark mentionned above and because we got used to. But I think it is also because the majority of people don't know about extreme movies, movies that show torture (and no, the Saw movies are not extreme) and even in some cases non simulated violence that the actors agreed to bear.

In fact, the more I see violent movies the more I think that even if violent movies have become quite mainstream, they can still have a huge impact, but not necessarily a bad impact. I draw a parallel between violent movies and pornography in the way that it can be a way to deal with urges or a need to see things. Violent movies for a need to see violence, pornography for a need to see sex, but both violence and sex are natural urges (although they don't have to be mixed, I don't think people who seek violence necessarily seek violence for sexual pleasure). You start with not that violent movies, and the more you see the more you want the violence to become extreme and for some troubled people they even want the violence to be real. And both for violence and sex/erotism you can see a soft version of it in mainstream medias. It makes me think about Ted Bundy's interview, although he was mixing violence and sex.

Sorry if I am off topic, violence in movies and whether or not it should be regulated or at what age people can see it is something that interest me a lot, and I am curious about your own opinion.

I think I need to ponder this for a bit. I think artistic expression is important and I don't think violent movies MADE them commit the massacre but if you think about their behavior, especially Dylan's it was almost like they were acting like they were in a movie. With their outfits, their quips, then even Dylan shooting himself in the temple as though that would be a quick and painless death...

Screamingophelia wrote:

I don't think violent movies MADE them commit the massacre

I do agree with that. When I discuss about that to people who think violent movies are dangerous, they usually me: "Many violent young people, many terrorists watch violent movies and play violent video games." suggesting that it is because of those medias that they are violent. But it is the contrary, imo they watch violent movies or play violent video games because they like violence.