Mass Shooters suicides

Some mass shooters suicides were not instant, Eric Harris was, but not Dylan Klebold?
Pekka Eric Auvinen was found injured after he shot himself and taken to a hospital where he became an hero, similar thing happend to Matti Saari.

There was a discussion on it Adam Lanza aimed the gun wrong, he could have crippled himself instead but survived, what would have happend if that was the case?

If Adam somehow survived a shot to the head if he aimed wrong, I think he would be very crippled and (even more) brain damage. I imagine that would be a very "I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream" case for Adam as killing himself that day was just as important as committing mass murder so surviving it and being apprehend could be seen as a cruel twist of irony from his point of view, Pekka and Saari almost suffered this fate but luckily(or unluckily depending on your view) for them, they both died a few hours later.

Jose Reyes survived his shot to the head for a few minutes, but died before paramedics could get to him.

Walter Seifert survived poisoning himself for 11 hours before he died.

Edwin James Grace shot himself behind the left ear and survived, paralysed and unable to speak for 17 days before he died.

Alvin Lee King actually survived shooting himself. But hung himself later in prison

Tyler James Peterson survived shooting himself TWICE " Peterson then shoots himself non-fatally twice below the chin; one round exits his left eye, the other lodges in his temple. He finally commits suicide with a third shot from his pistol, which enters the right side of his head."

Dimitris Patmanidis and Federico Guevara both died in fashions similar to Pekka and Matti

There's probably more that i fail to recall

Thomas Hamilton's body was twitching for several minutes after committing suicide.

Richard Durn was in agony for several minutes after jumped out of the fourth floor of the Police Station after being questioned by them.

Tommy QTR wrote:

Thomas Hamilton's body was twitching for several minutes after committing suicide.

I would say that those were post-mortem spasms for Tommy Hamilton considering the man put a .357 magnum revolver in his mouth and fired it into his brain. I can't see anyone surviving even a few seconds after that.

D-FENS1993 wrote:

Tommy QTR wrote:

Thomas Hamilton's body was twitching for several minutes after committing suicide.

I would say that those were post-mortem spasms for Tommy Hamilton considering the man put a .357 magnum revolver in his mouth and fired it into his brain. I can't see anyone surviving even a few seconds after that.

Yeah I guess it had to be spasms, his death was probably instant.

Amanda Miller died while on the way to the hospital after a self-inflicted shot to the right forehead

suicide with .22 will just make you bleed out.

D-FENS1993 wrote:

Jose Reyes survived his shot to the head for a few minutes, but died before paramedics could get to him.

Weird, always thought he died instantly

William Atchison shot himself twice in the head. Apparently he first put the gun in his mouth and fired, but it didn't kill him. He then shot himself in the back of the head. According to a police officer, he apparently lifted his head and looked at the officer, so he most likely lived for several minutes before finally dying.
(credit to [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I got this info from their tumblr post about him.)

InsaneIntruder wrote:

William Atchison shot himself twice in the head. Apparently he first put the gun in his mouth and fired, but it didn't kill him. He then shot himself in the back of the head. According to a police officer, he apparently lifted his head and looked at the officer, so he most likely lived for several minutes before finally dying.
(credit to [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I got this info from their tumblr post about him.)

I personally believe it was actually an instant and painless kill because the barrel most likely was aiming at the lower part of the head.

Halcyon666 wrote:

InsaneIntruder wrote:

William Atchison shot himself twice in the head. Apparently he first put the gun in his mouth and fired, but it didn't kill him. He then shot himself in the back of the head. According to a police officer, he apparently lifted his head and looked at the officer, so he most likely lived for several minutes before finally dying.
(credit to [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I got this info from their tumblr post about him.)

I personally believe it was actually an instant and painless kill because the barrel most likely was aiming at the lower part of the head.

If he instantly died how would he have 2 gunshot wounds to the head and be able to lift his head and look at the police officer?

InsaneIntruder wrote:

Halcyon666 wrote:

InsaneIntruder wrote:

William Atchison shot himself twice in the head. Apparently he first put the gun in his mouth and fired, but it didn't kill him. He then shot himself in the back of the head. According to a police officer, he apparently lifted his head and looked at the officer, so he most likely lived for several minutes before finally dying.
(credit to [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I got this info from their tumblr post about him.)

I personally believe it was actually an instant and painless kill because the barrel most likely was aiming at the lower part of the head.

If he instantly died how would he have 2 gunshot wounds to the head and be able to lift his head and look at the police officer?

I read it wrong, you're right.

InsaneIntruder wrote:

William Atchison shot himself twice in the head. Apparently he first put the gun in his mouth and fired, but it didn't kill him. He then shot himself in the back of the head. According to a police officer, he apparently lifted his head and looked at the officer, so he most likely lived for several minutes before finally dying.
(credit to [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I got this info from their tumblr post about him.)

Jesus, any suicide in which the person has to shoot themselves more than once is brutal, but it feels like this one is a bit above most others.

InsaneIntruder wrote:

William Atchison shot himself twice in the head. Apparently he first put the gun in his mouth and fired, but it didn't kill him. He then shot himself in the back of the head. According to a police officer, he apparently lifted his head and looked at the officer, so he most likely lived for several minutes before finally dying.
(credit to [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I got this info from their tumblr post about him.)

He couldn't even become an hero propeley. He also was the most epic failure on the encyclopedia dramatica scoreboard.

InsaneIntruder wrote:

According to a police officer, he apparently lifted his head and looked at the officer, so he most likely lived for several minutes before finally dying.
(credit to [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I got this info from their tumblr post about him.)

I find this detail a little horror-movie-esque. He has two bloody holes in the head, and he is still able to look at the policeman and haunt his memory for ever and ever.

InsaneIntruder wrote:

Neah wrote:

InsaneIntruder wrote:

According to a police officer, he apparently lifted his head and looked at the officer, so he most likely lived for several minutes before finally dying.
(credit to [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I got this info from their tumblr post about him.)

I find this detail a little horror-movie-esque. He has two bloody holes in the head, and he is still able to look at the policeman and haunt his memory for ever and ever.

Anon. APD Officer wrote:

There was a pool of blood and he lifted his head and looked at me. He was looking at me.

Sounds like the guy's gonna have nightmares about that shit for years.

QuestionMark wrote:

InsaneIntruder wrote:

Neah wrote:

InsaneIntruder wrote:

According to a police officer, he apparently lifted his head and looked at the officer, so he most likely lived for several minutes before finally dying.
(credit to [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I got this info from their tumblr post about him.)

I find this detail a little horror-movie-esque. He has two bloody holes in the head, and he is still able to look at the policeman and haunt his memory for ever and ever.

Anon. APD Officer wrote:

There was a pool of blood and he lifted his head and looked at me. He was looking at me.

Sounds like the guy's gonna have nightmares about that shit for years.

Can't blame him.

How long did he survive after the 2nd shot?

Ziamber II wrote:

How long did he survive after the 2nd shot?

Not sure, long enough for an officer to get there though but he still died before any ambulances got there.

Could he have tried to Shoot the cop in the hope he would be shot at more times, or was he already an hero?

I wonder if the policeman saw him as a monster or as a pathetic dying creature.

Ziamber II wrote:

Could he have tried to Shoot the cop in the hope he would be shot at more times, or was he already an hero?

Doubt he would have the strength to shoot at the cop since he shot himself twice. Hell, I don't even get how he was able to shoot himself again after shooting himself in the mouth of all places.

SavageGlocker wrote:

Ziamber II wrote:

Could he have tried to Shoot the cop in the hope he would be shot at more times, or was he already an hero?

Doubt he would have the strength to shoot at the cop since he shot himself twice. Hell, I don't even get how he was able to shoot himself again after shooting himself in the mouth of all places.

I don't even understand that either, I first thought he completely missed himself and wasn't even wounded after the first shot. But apparently no so I don't know how he managed to do it.

Neah wrote:

SavageGlocker wrote:

Ziamber II wrote:

Could he have tried to Shoot the cop in the hope he would be shot at more times, or was he already an hero?

Doubt he would have the strength to shoot at the cop since he shot himself twice. Hell, I don't even get how he was able to shoot himself again after shooting himself in the mouth of all places.

I don't even understand that either, I first thought he completely missed himself and wasn't even wounded after the first shot. But apparently no so I don't know how he managed to do it.

Probably put the gun barrel too far back into his mouth, so that the bullet went through his throat and missed the brain completely. Something like at the end of Fight Club.

Elliot Rodger said he would drink some chemicals before shooting himself, to guarantee to become an hero. In the end he just shot himself.

Ziamber II wrote:

Elliot Rodger said he would drink some chemicals before shooting himself, to guarantee to become an hero. In the end he just shot himself.

He actually said he was going to swallow a down number of Xanax and Vicodin pills along with an ample amount of liquor. All of which were found in his bloodstream at his autopsy.

Imagine if Elliot didn't become an hero?

Ziamber II wrote:

Imagine if Elliot didn't become an hero?

He would've went to prison. So?

Ziamber II wrote:

Imagine if Elliot didn't become an hero?

He would've gone to prison.

I think it would be fascinating to know how Elliot would behave and react to the prisoners and events inside of the prison. I think he would've probably attempted suicide after awhile like with Arcan Cetin.

Benjamin Nathaniel Smith shot himself twice in the head, crashed his car into a metal post, and then shot himself in the heart. He would be pronounced dead at the hospital.

It took over 5 hours for Matti Juhani Saari to become an hero after he shot himself.

Halcyon666 wrote:

I think it would be fascinating to know how Elliot would behave and react to the prisoners and events inside of the prison. I think he would've probably attempted suicide after awhile like with Arcan Cetin.

Usually after a high profile or especially heinous crime, people talk about/hope that the perpetrator gets raped and beaten in prison, but I honestly think in Elliot's case he would've gotten tortured by the other inmates. He's very scrawny and weak, he'd be an easy target.

QuestionMark wrote:

Halcyon666 wrote:

I think it would be fascinating to know how Elliot would behave and react to the prisoners and events inside of the prison. I think he would've probably attempted suicide after awhile like with Arcan Cetin.

Usually after a high profile or especially heinous crime, people talk about/hope that the perpetrator gets raped and beaten in prison, but I honestly think in Elliot's case he would've gotten tortured by the other inmates. He's very scrawny and weak, he'd be an easy target.

He'd probably be in solitary confinement.

Snochia Moseley, who shot up the rite aid distribution center this past week, apparently shot herself a second time in the head with her 9mm Glock after the first shot didn't incapacitate her. Even after shooting herself twice she was still alive and taken to hospital in critical condition where only then did she die soon after.

Mh_12rm_66 wrote:

Snochia Moseley, who shot up the rite aid distribution center this past week, apparently shot herself a second time in the head with her 9mm Glock after the first shot didn't incapacitate her. Even after shooting herself twice she was still alive and taken to hospital in critical condition where only then did she die soon after.

Just like William Atchison, although he died before paramedics even reached him.

If Stephen Paddock shot himself with a bum-stop equipped gun, could he have fired several bullets into his head?

Ziamber II wrote:

If Stephen Paddock shot himself with a bum-stop equipped gun, could he have fired several bullets into his head?

No because he'd only be able to pull the trigger once.

A bump-stop means you can pull the trigger and keep it pulled down to fire more bullets, when he shot himslef it could have been possible to fire more than 1 bullet at himself.

Ziamber II wrote:

A bump-stop means you can pull the trigger and keep it pulled down to fire more bullets, when he shot himslef it could have been possible to fire more than 1 bullet at himself.

A bump-stock only fires more bullets if you keep pulling the trigger, the second the bullet goes through his brain he would of let go of the gun.

Ziamber II wrote:

If Stephen Paddock shot himself with a bum-stop equipped gun, could he have fired several bullets into his head?

He didn't shoot himself with one of his ARs, he shot himself with the revolver you can see above his head in the photo of his corpse.

SavageGlocker wrote:

Ziamber II wrote:

If Stephen Paddock shot himself with a bum-stop equipped gun, could he have fired several bullets into his head?

He didn't shoot himself with one of his ARs, he shot himself with the revolver you can see above his head in the photo of his corpse.

He's asking if Paddock shot himself with one of his ARs with the bump-stock, would there have been multiple bullets in his head.

Tommy QTR wrote:

SavageGlocker wrote:

Ziamber II wrote:

If Stephen Paddock shot himself with a bum-stop equipped gun, could he have fired several bullets into his head?

He didn't shoot himself with one of his ARs, he shot himself with the revolver you can see above his head in the photo of his corpse.

He's asking if Paddock shot himself with one of his ARs with the bump-stock, would there have been multiple bullets in his head.

I misunderstood, sorry.

SavageGlocker wrote:

Tommy QTR wrote:

SavageGlocker wrote:

Ziamber II wrote:

If Stephen Paddock shot himself with a bum-stop equipped gun, could he have fired several bullets into his head?

He didn't shoot himself with one of his ARs, he shot himself with the revolver you can see above his head in the photo of his corpse.

He's asking if Paddock shot himself with one of his ARs with the bump-stock, would there have been multiple bullets in his head.

I misunderstood, sorry.

It's okay.

InsaneIntruder wrote:

William Atchison shot himself twice in the head. Apparently he first put the gun in his mouth and fired, but it didn't kill him. He then shot himself in the back of the head. According to a police officer, he apparently lifted his head and looked at the officer, so he most likely lived for several minutes before finally dying.
(credit to [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I got this info from their tumblr post about him.)

Apparently I was wrong. According to a blog on tumblr, he only shot himself once.

Dimitrious Pegorchiz didn't have the courage to become an hero, for a time it looked like Michael Ryan didn't as he said he was thinking about it.

So I recently saw a uncensored pic of Ľubomír Harman and I have to say he has one of the most brutal suicide pics I've ever seen.

Tommy QTR wrote:

So I recently saw a uncensored pic of Ľubomír Harman and I have to say he has one of the most brutal suicide pics I've ever seen.

Yeah, I saw that too. I didn't know a rifle round was capable of that, looks more like what a shotgun would do.

Tommy QTR wrote:

So I recently saw a uncensored pic of Ľubomír Harman and I have to say he has one of the most brutal suicide pics I've ever seen.

Can you PM it to me? I'm kinda curious how bad it could be.