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PostSubject: School Shooters/Mass Shooters physical state during their shooting.    School Shooters/Mass Shooters physical state during their shooting.  Icon_minitimeThu May 30, 2019 9:22 am

Who do you think were calm, relaxed and collected during the shooting and who were high on adrenaline probably very anxious, confused, scared or maybe feeling a thrill from the adrenaline and the shooting without being confused or scared?

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PostSubject: Re: School Shooters/Mass Shooters physical state during their shooting.    School Shooters/Mass Shooters physical state during their shooting.  Icon_minitimeThu May 30, 2019 11:46 am

I think most mass murderers not were calm, if even witnesses said "he was calm". Smile it's also not a sign calm. Roslyakov looks very calm on videos, but I think he played his show.

But we don't have many footage with shooters where we can say calm was or not. Cho according many people was calm, but I don't think so.
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PostSubject: Re: School Shooters/Mass Shooters physical state during their shooting.    School Shooters/Mass Shooters physical state during their shooting.  Icon_minitimeThu May 30, 2019 12:50 pm

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I think most mass murderers not were calm, if even witnesses said "he was calm". Smile it's also not a sign calm. Roslyakov looks very calm on videos, but I think he played his show.  

But we don't have many footage with shooters where we can say calm was or not. Cho according many people was calm, but I don't think so.

I like to think Cho was calm but with his selective mutism which is an extreme form of anxiety I doubt he would´ve been calm during the shooting.

With Eric and Dylan I think they were feeling more of a thrill from the adrenaline whereas other shooters might have felt scared and confused because of the anxiety, like I think Cruz was an example of being anxius, scared and confused not at all calm and collected I think this because of how random his targets are shooting at a few people in each classroom whereas a collected calm person would more likely clear one room methodically to make sure they were dead, Cruz also didn´t shoot the guy next to him while he took his rifle out which I think wouldn´ve made sense if he was trying to ambush a classroom and not wanting to ruin the element of surprise but he immediately opened fire on people so I think his adrenaline made him go all over the place.

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The London Bridge Attackers were screaming. Also, Pekka didn’t seem calm as well.

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PostSubject: Re: School Shooters/Mass Shooters physical state during their shooting.    School Shooters/Mass Shooters physical state during their shooting.  Icon_minitimeThu May 30, 2019 6:22 pm

A.C. = After Columbine. I think many mass shooters would be high adrenaline. The new protocols of police attacking mass shooters I would think you would be very high energy hoping to get as high of a "kill count" as possible until the police arrived. I also wonder. are mass shooters scared of being shot but just injured by police, like the fort hood guy I think he was just paralyzed, wouldn't that be an incredibly embarrassing end to their massacre, sitting in a wheelchair in a court room humiliated. I'd think they'd be high energy, kill a ton of people, kill self before law enforcement arrives.
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PostSubject: Re: School Shooters/Mass Shooters physical state during their shooting.    School Shooters/Mass Shooters physical state during their shooting.  Icon_minitimeThu May 30, 2019 7:36 pm

I think shooters being described as looking "calm" in their spree is mostly likely because of them being focused on the task at hand. I think this is also applies when people describe shooters as being apparently emotionless in expressions as well as most people having a hollow view on what emotions could be and don't or are not willing to realize that facial expressions don't entirely or accurately reflect what a person is feeling emotionally. These descriptions of shooters being "stonefaced","calm" or "emotionless" has become a favorite for the media and they use it to dehumanize shooters more even though any further dehumanization is unnecessary/overkill (like we talking about mass murderers here folks I think that says enough.)
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UncontinuedProcess wrote:
I think shooters being described as looking "calm" in their spree is mostly likely because of them being focused on the task at hand. I think this is also applies when people describe shooters as being apparently emotionless in expressions as well as most people having a hollow view on what emotions could be and don't or are not willing to realize that facial expressions don't entirely or accurately reflect what a person is feeling emotionally. These descriptions of shooters being "stonefaced","calm" or "emotionless" has become a favorite for the media and they use it to dehumanize shooters more even though any further dehumanization is unnecessary/overkill (like we talking about mass murderers here folks I think that says enough.)


I agree with this! I think a big factor is the race to dehumanize. It's very easy for mass media to create their own narrative once they dehumanize, even with people that are still living.
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UncontinuedProcess wrote:
I think shooters being described as looking "calm" in their spree is mostly likely because of them being focused on the task at hand. I think this is also applies when people describe shooters as being apparently emotionless in expressions as well as most people having a hollow view on what emotions could be and don't or are not willing to realize that facial expressions don't entirely or accurately reflect what a person is feeling emotionally. These descriptions of shooters being "stonefaced","calm" or "emotionless" has become a favorite for the media and they use it to dehumanize shooters more even though any further dehumanization is unnecessary/overkill (like we talking about mass murderers here folks I think that says enough.)

Good point, also the victims are very scared and confused and their adrenaline is pumping so for them being in that state to see a gunman who "focuses on the task at hand" it might look like they are calmer than they actually are.

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I don’t think that Nikolas Cruz was that calm, either.
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Matti Saari was acting very agressivley, and reveling in the situation.
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Russianman wrote:
I think most mass murderers not were calm, if even witnesses said "he was calm". Smile it's also not a sign calm. Roslyakov looks very calm on videos, but I think he played his show.  

But we don't have many footage with shooters where we can say calm was or not. Cho according many people was calm, but I don't think so.
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