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what do you think the Possibility of E&D coming out the school alive?
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Subject: what do you think the Possibility of E&D coming out the school alive? Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:43 am
I feel like they would have been shot and killed by the swat team, I think knew that they were fucked that death was the only option.
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Subject: Re: what do you think the Possibility of E&D coming out the school alive? Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:48 am
Death was not even an option, it was part of the plan so they probably had the ability to come out the school alive (but not free though), but not the will.
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Subject: Re: what do you think the Possibility of E&D coming out the school alive? Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:51 am
Neah wrote:
Death was not even an option, it was part of the plan so they probably had the ability to come out the school alive (but not free though), but not the will.
Agreed. They had planned on dying. Giving up, being taken alive, etc. was never in their plan.
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Subject: Re: what do you think the Possibility of E&D coming out the school alive? Fri Aug 17, 2018 5:44 pm
In most cases, if someone surrenders (hands up no weapon or on the ground, etc.) they will be arrested/detained and not killed.
So technically, Eric or Dylan could have survived that day but obviously the event was their endgame.
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Subject: Re: what do you think the Possibility of E&D coming out the school alive? Fri Aug 17, 2018 6:37 pm
I wonder if one of them was arrested, would the other one still commit suicide?
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Subject: Re: what do you think the Possibility of E&D coming out the school alive? Fri Aug 17, 2018 7:56 pm
Neah wrote:
I wonder if one of them was arrested, would the other one still commit suicide?
I think if one was caught it would make the other more likely to try shooting themselves.
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Subject: Re: what do you think the Possibility of E&D coming out the school alive? Fri Aug 17, 2018 8:05 pm
QuestionMark wrote:
Neah wrote:
I wonder if one of them was arrested, would the other one still commit suicide?
I think if one was caught it would make the other more likely to try shooting themselves.
I agree, and yet it is hard for me to imagine Dylan being "brave" enough to kill himself alone. But he would probably do it, even if it would be the worse moment of his life.
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Subject: Re: what do you think the Possibility of E&D coming out the school alive? Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:51 pm
Had they come out of Columbine alive, I have no doubts they would have released multiple decade sentences and go through prison sodomy till they were too old to walk properly.
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Subject: Re: what do you think the Possibility of E&D coming out the school alive? Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:06 pm
I don't think they would have been housed in general population and probably separated. I doubt they would have been in the same prison as one another.
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Subject: Re: what do you think the Possibility of E&D coming out the school alive? Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:10 pm
Screamingophelia wrote:
I don't think they would have been housed in general population and probably separated. I doubt they would have been in the same prison as one another.
They may have been in the same prison, unless one was shipped off for one reason. They would certainly be in confinement.
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Subject: Re: what do you think the Possibility of E&D coming out the school alive? Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:51 am
Their original plan didn't involve them going into the school. They planned on dying in a shootout with cops in the parking lot outside of Columbine. Another little way of the powers that be laughing in E&D's faces honestly. The propane bombs failing to go off and forcing them to go into - and die in the very place they hated so much. In a way they couldn't even break free of the school itself. Incredibly weak and pathetic.
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Subject: Re: what do you think the Possibility of E&D coming out the school alive? Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:50 pm
HanShotFirst wrote:
Their original plan didn't involve them going into the school. They planned on dying in a shootout with cops in the parking lot outside of Columbine.
Actually I don't think we know this for certain. I believe one of the two mentioned charging into the school after the bombs had gone off.
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Subject: Re: what do you think the Possibility of E&D coming out the school alive? Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:19 pm
No Dylans goal was suicide
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Subject: Re: what do you think the Possibility of E&D coming out the school alive? Sat Jan 19, 2019 9:36 pm
In my opinion, even if Eric and Dylan changed their minds and wanted to surrender, I think some SWAT or Police Officer would have shot them when they left the building. Everyone was so on edge, I just feel that someone would have thought they were still a threat or attempting an attack on them. Plus, they were already engaging in fire from the library windows, so I think if they had saw them come outside it would have been "fair game."
Idk, that's just my opinion. Maybe they would have had no problems surrendering.
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Subject: Re: what do you think the Possibility of E&D coming out the school alive? Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:22 am
whyno wrote:
In my opinion, even if Eric and Dylan changed their minds and wanted to surrender, I think some SWAT or Police Officer would have shot them when they left the building. Everyone was so on edge, I just feel that someone would have thought they were still a threat or attempting an attack on them. Plus, they were already engaging in fire from the library windows, so I think if they had saw them come outside it would have been "fair game."
Idk, that's just my opinion. Maybe they would have had no problems surrendering.
I agree, especially at the time of the event. This was probably the first major serious threat event in littleton and the cops were probably in shock, I mean for the way they carried out the situation you can tell they weren't experienced with these types of situations. If they would of came out trying to surrender i'm sure the cops would have no problem taking their heads off, I'm sure the snipers would of been the ones to do it.
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Subject: Re: what do you think the Possibility of E&D coming out the school alive? Thu Jan 24, 2019 6:08 am
QuestionMark wrote:
HanShotFirst wrote:
Their original plan didn't involve them going into the school. They planned on dying in a shootout with cops in the parking lot outside of Columbine.
Actually I don't think we know this for certain. I believe one of the two mentioned charging into the school after the bombs had gone off.
"I hope we kill 250 of you. It will be the most nerve-racking 15 minutes of my life, after the bombs are set and we're waiting to charge through the school. Seconds will be like hours. I can't wait. I'll be shaking like a leaf." - Dylan Klebold, Basement Tapes, March 15.
I would say we know for certain that the idea that they never planned on entering is a totally bullshit cliche. "shooting from the parking lot" was NOT plan A; the staircase was plan A. Do you think Dylan here is talking about entering the school via the parking lot by fighting through waves of people fleeing from the cafeteria bombs? Or is he talking about entering from the west entrance, like they actually did?
Though apparently not the plan they used, one plan written down had the cars set to explode a minute after the cafeteria bombs - they weren't going to be in the parking lot with 60 seconds to shoot before they are dead.
The cafeteria was set to explode and spew glass into the parking lot. They weren't going to be in the parking lot when that happened. The staircase was out of the way of the blast.
The staircase provided elevation unlike the parking lot.
If people turned and ran the other way, or ran out the west entrance, they are fucked standing out in the parking lot. Indeed it makes sense that "when people turn and run the other way" is when they "charge through the school", as that's what they did - after Dylan saw people fleeing up the cafeteria stairs and reported back to Eric.
Plus it makes more sense to me to go into the school and deal with the cops in there. You've got hiding places, an environment you know better than the cops having been at the school every day for years, etc, rather than in the open parking lot with your head on a swivel.
I don't think they "planned suicide by cop" in the sense of to the exclusion of killing themselves. They had a 'gun to the head' hand signal to kill themselves, and Dylan had a bullet in his boot, for instance. But, I do think they were well prepared for suicide by cop, and probably preferred that way. I don't think that entails not entering the school or anything like that, though.
Also, the idea that they planned to shoot from the cars is based on the idea that their cars flanked the exits, but this isn't even true. Eric's car is pretty close to the South entrance, but Dylan's is basically in the middle of the parking lot, not flanking the west entrance.
It's speculation I confess, but here's how I imagine this aspect of the plan went. People debate whether the car bombs were for fleeing survivors, first responders, or for a spectacle once the tv cameras were there and they had perhaps already committed suicide or been killed by police. I don't see why it cannot be all three.
I think they start at the top of the stairs when the bombs go off, so that they are unaffected by the blast. I think Dylan descends the stairs so that when he reaches the bottom he can spray bullets toward the south entrance, while Eric has the elevation. Eventually, people realize fleeing into the parking lot is a death sentence, and they turn around. Then Dylan runs back up the stairs, and Eric and Dylan enter the west entrance and kill people fleeing back up the stairs. Again, eventually people realize it's a death sentence to go up the stairs, and go back to fleeing into the parking lot. Waiting for them are the car bombs.
Dylan was perhaps going to spray the exits with the TEC-9, given that was their 'machine pistol', and so he wastes the bullets in the shotgun on Daniel and Lance. Then he notices it looks like the bombs hadn't gone off yet. Controversial I know, but this makes more sense to me than the alternatives.
Then he enters the cafeteria to check on the bombs. If they already knew the bombs failed and thats why the shooting began, I don't see the point in checking on what they already knew to be the case. Also don't see why Eric shoots at the bombs later once they for sure realized they failed and Dylan doesn't at this point, unless he isn't yet sure they've failed. Dylan sees people are fleeing up the stairs. Time to tell Eric they are going to enter the school.
To answer the OP, I think probably a decent chance if the cops had a rifle and rushed the school and not been afraid of the bombs or following protocol or whatever it was. It took them a while to kill themselves, really.
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