Why suicide?

This may be a tough question: but why did they go for suicide instead of just getting turned in?

Easier then face their parents and the victims families in court

Jenna horse wrote:

Easier then face their parents and the victims families in court

Agreed. E&D had never planned on surviving to see the fallout of the attack. They never wanted to be held accountable for their actions.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Jenna horse wrote:

Easier then face their parents and the victims families in court

Agreed. E&D had never planned on surviving to see the fallout of the attack. They never wanted to be held accountable for their actions.

I would call that a weak move

Why

Kerea2244 wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Jenna horse wrote:

Easier then face their parents and the victims families in court

Agreed. E&D had never planned on surviving to see the fallout of the attack. They never wanted to be held accountable for their actions.

I would call that a weak move

Agree. E&D took what I would consider the easy way out and bypassed any and all consequences.

I think they were both some level of suicidal. I think it was Dylan who yelled “today’s the day I due, I’m killing myself” I have heard variations.

I do always wonder how’d they act on trial etc.

Also how they’d react to letters and girls coming into court to see them...

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

They never wanted to be held accountable for their actions.

Yup



Also, they couldn't see a future for themselves BEFORE they murdered 13 people. How could they possibly after the fact.

Jollyhelpful wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

They never wanted to be held accountable for their actions.

Yup



Also, they couldn't see a future for themselves BEFORE they murdered 13 people. How could they possibly after the fact.

Very true.

Screamingophelia wrote:

I do always wonder how’d they act on trial etc.

I think it would've been interesting to have seen IF they would have turned on each other.

I feel like if they didn't kill themselves, columbine would lose a ton of interest. The mystery behind it is what keeps people coming back. Death is mysterious

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

I do always wonder how’d they act on trial etc.

I think it would've been interesting to have seen IF they would have turned on each other.

Absolutely. We see what happen when it came to the van break in. Dylan said it was both of their ideas and Eric was like oh it was all Dylan!!!!

Screamingophelia wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

I do always wonder how’d they act on trial etc.

I think it would've been interesting to have seen IF they would have turned on each other.

Absolutely. We see what happen when it came to the van break in. Dylan said it was both of their ideas and Eric was like oh it was all Dylan!!!!

Eric was indeed a little snitch.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Kerea2244 wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Jenna horse wrote:

Easier then face their parents and the victims families in court

Agreed. E&D had never planned on surviving to see the fallout of the attack. They never wanted to be held accountable for their actions.

I would call that a weak move

Agree. E&D took what I would consider the easy way out and bypassed any and all consequences.

I wouldn't consider making the choice to die, potentially very painfully, easy or weak.

QuestionMark wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Kerea2244 wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Jenna horse wrote:

Easier then face their parents and the victims families in court

Agreed. E&D had never planned on surviving to see the fallout of the attack. They never wanted to be held accountable for their actions.

I would call that a weak move

Agree. E&D took what I would consider the easy way out and bypassed any and all consequences.

I wouldn't consider making the choice to die, potentially very painfully, easy or weak.

That depends on how you look at it. Also they both likely thought a gunshot to the head would have been fairly fast and painless if done correctly.

Eric succeeded in that regard, while Dylan clearly failed. The jury is still out on whether he was aware of his mistake and if he felt any pain or not.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

That depends on how you look at it.   Also they both likely thought a gunshot to the head would have been fairly fast and painless if done correctly. 

That's still a quick, immediate launch into death. Now I haven't asked a lot of dead people what it feels like, but I can't imagine it's too pleasant assuming an afterlife doesn't exist.

QuestionMark wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

That depends on how you look at it.   Also they both likely thought a gunshot to the head would have been fairly fast and painless if done correctly. 

That's still a quick, immediate launch into death. Now I haven't asked a lot of dead people what it feels like, but I can't imagine it's too pleasant assuming an afterlife doesn't exist.

True. But one can only assume E&D would rather face a quick death in some form, rather then life and all the unpleasant ways they were going to pay for what they had done.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

QuestionMark wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

That depends on how you look at it.   Also they both likely thought a gunshot to the head would have been fairly fast and painless if done correctly. 

That's still a quick, immediate launch into death. Now I haven't asked a lot of dead people what it feels like, but I can't imagine it's too pleasant assuming an afterlife doesn't exist.

True. But one can only assume E&D would rather face a quick death in some form, rather then life and all the unpleasant ways they were going to pay for what they had done.

Well yes. But even still, dying, quickly or not, probably isn't pleasant. 

Really makes you wonder if they even knew what they were getting into once they turned the guns on themselves.

Also, don't forget that Eric and Dylan had that whole messianic thing going on. There seemed to be a certain pride in death. By killing themselves they've transcended the Earthly bonds that are made to contain lesser men. They're "legends". They're trailblazers, bold martyrs for some kind of cause. Rotting in prison they're just impotent "humans" like all the rest.

I would think that it would take a really warped view of humanity to think like that but then these are kids who considered themselves "godlike", after all.

Kerea2244 wrote:

This may be a tough question: but why did they go for suicide instead of just getting turned in?

Because they were first and foremost suicidal. Generally, I think doing the deed requires a strong suicidal component because one is throwing away one's life one way or another.

Dylan was a straightforward suicide cultist like Randy Stair. He believed he's going to enter into an afterlife paradise.

Eric pretty much didn't want to live in this world any more either. He hated himself and listed suicidal thoughts in his questionnaire.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Kerea2244 wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Jenna horse wrote:

Easier then face their parents and the victims families in court

Agreed. E&D had never planned on surviving to see the fallout of the attack. They never wanted to be held accountable for their actions.

I would call that a weak move

Agree. E&D took what I would consider the easy way out and bypassed any and all consequences.

They haven't bypassed any and all consequences. It was a martyrdom operation, they paid the price for power they exercised willingly and eagerly.

"Held accountable"? By whom? By those who haven't sacrificed their lives for power? Who'd walk away free and alive from "judgement" of other's fate? It's an absurd proposition.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

rather then life and all the unpleasant ways they were going to pay for what they had done.

What "all the unpleasant ways"? If they wouldn't get death penalty, the punishment would be life in prison. Any exceptionally unpleasant things would be consequences of the system being run by subhumans and populated by subhuman gangers - that is incompetence and degeneracy, not any real lawful punishment. Even outside the whole consequences rhetorics, it makes sense for individuals on certain level of nobility to not agree to participate in system run and populated by subhuman brutes.

Because they hated the world.

Why would they want to stick around and be someones girlfriend in prison?

It's really a double sided question. You could ask why they chose to die, or why they chose to die via suicide. Well for the first question they hated life. Why make it worse for yourself by dealing with courts, prison, etc
They got enough of that after the van break in. It's usually people who hate life that have no problem taking it from others.

Why suicide? Control. They could've walked right out of the school, guns blazing like an 80's action movie, and let the cops fill them full of lead but there were too many unknowns. Not instant death, being injured and taken alive, etc.

I guess they would have enjoyed all the reactions that they would get if they got busted, but they would not like kicking a rugby ball about in a cage for the rest of there life, like Martin Bryant, so they became an hero.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

I do always wonder how’d they act on trial etc.

I think it would've been interesting to have seen IF they would have turned on each other.

Absolutely. We see what happen when it came to the van break in. Dylan said it was both of their ideas and Eric was like oh it was all Dylan!!!!

Eric was indeed a little snitch.

Just like the other idiot from CMR, he tried to blame his brother and then me for all sorts of things.

they both already had suicidal tendacies, i think they just thought if they're going to kill themselves, might as well have their twisted form of revenge, along with it.

Ziamber II wrote:

I guess they would have enjoyed all the reactions that they would get if they got busted, but they would not like kicking a rugby ball about in a cage for the rest of there life, like Martin Bryant, so they became an hero.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

I do always wonder how’d they act on trial etc.

I think it would've been interesting to have seen IF they would have turned on each other.

Absolutely. We see what happen when it came to the van break in. Dylan said it was both of their ideas and Eric was like oh it was all Dylan!!!!

Eric was indeed a little snitch.

Just like the other idiot from CMR, he tried to blame his brother and then me for all sorts of things.

Yeah no one likes someone who snitches to try and save their own ass.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Ziamber II wrote:

I guess they would have enjoyed all the reactions that they would get if they got busted, but they would not like kicking a rugby ball about in a cage for the rest of there life, like Martin Bryant, so they became an hero.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

I do always wonder how’d they act on trial etc.

I think it would've been interesting to have seen IF they would have turned on each other.

Absolutely. We see what happen when it came to the van break in. Dylan said it was both of their ideas and Eric was like oh it was all Dylan!!!!

Eric was indeed a little snitch.

Just like the other idiot from CMR, he tried to blame his brother and then me for all sorts of things.

Yeah no one likes someone who snitches to try and save their own ass.

The thing is he couldn't even spell my name correctley when trying to snitch, he is like Martin Bryant, but less inteligent, if that is at all possible.

Because H&K were delusional, and they thought it better to go guns blazing in the school and never come out alive instead of being sodomized for the next 60 something years afterwards.

I think I'd rather take my own life then go to prison and sit in a small cell the rest of my life. I've heard that the gay sex in prison is more of a myth but I'm sure some of it still happens, also if your not tough your probably going to get your ass kicked on a daily basis.

They both were dealing with something internally/mentally too. Being alone with your negative thoughts the rest of your life seems like a fate worse than death, along with what I mentioned above.

It also could be one of those"you'll never get me alive" kind of thing.

Dylan used the massacre for a means to a end, wanted to take his own life since he was 15 that we know of.

rebel2013 wrote:

Dylan used the massacre for a means to a end, wanted to take his own life since he was 15 that we know of.

This is true.

Someone wrote once that Dylan was the only one that got what he wanted that day and that’s sadly true.

Screamingophelia wrote:

rebel2013 wrote:

Dylan used the massacre for a means to a end, wanted to take his own life since he was 15 that we know of.

This is true.

Someone wrote once  that Dylan was the only  one that got what he wanted that day and that’s sadly true.

:/

I love how we can't post the E&D suicide pic, but Budd Dwyer blowing his brains out in .GIF form is just fine.

(I'm not asking for the Budd Dwyer thing to be taken down; I've seen it forty million times. It's just, y'know.)

rebel2013 wrote:

Dylan used the massacre for a means to a end, wanted to take his own life since he was 15 that we know of.

Yeah he wanted to kill himself, but I think getting to kill people was an integral part of the equation too. He didn't want to be another statistic, he wanted to burn down as much as he could and piss on the ashes as a big middle finger to a world he utterly loathed living in.

Lunkhead McGrath wrote:

I love how we can't post the E&D suicide pic, but Budd Dwyer blowing his brains out in .GIF form is just fine.

(I'm not asking for the Budd Dwyer thing to be taken down; I've seen it forty million times.  It's just, y'know.)  

It's not allowed and the member who posted it knew it wasn't allowed but posted it anyway. Next time you see a post like that, please report it as a moderator might not always see it right away.

they had a goal and they completed it.

I also believe that Eric committing suicide while wearing his "Natural Selection" tee shows how much he despised himself. He was making it clear that he was removing himself from the gene pool. He hated being scrawny, being bullied by jocks and in his own words "getting no respect."