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Evidence Ignored- What You May Not Know About Columbine
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thelmar
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Subject: Evidence Ignored- What You May Not Know About Columbine Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:30 pm
Evidence Ignored- What You May Not Know About Columbine by Rita Gleason
As of today, the release date is still just listed as 2019. Her Facebook updates indicate that the editing process is done and the book is being formatted.
She released a chapter summary a while back: "Chapter 1- The Trenchcoat Mafia Details all available information and witness testimony regarding the TCM as well as discusses whether Eric and Dylan were truly members of the group.
Chapter 2- Bullying of Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold Evaluates all incidents of bullying against Eric and Dylan, garnered from statements from friends, family, and the killers themselves. Also discusses the culture of bullying at Columbine.
Chapter 3- Harris and Klebold as Bullies Evidence of Eric and Dylan bullying other students. Extensively details contacts the Brown family had with police regarding Eric Harris.
Chapter 4- The Arrest and Diversion Program Outlines Eric's and Dylan's arrests for breaking into a van, including their written police statements and comparative analysis of their time in the Juvenile Diversion Program.
Chapter 5- Luvox Discusses Eric Harris' use of the anti-depressants Zoloft and Luvox, Mark Taylor's lawsuit against Solvay Pharmaceuticals, and what effect, if any, the medication may have played in the attack on Columbine.
Chapter 6- Girlfriends Presents evidence of what relationships Eric and Dylan had (both real and imagined) with members of the opposite sex. Also goes in depth in discussion of a woman who falsely claimed to have had a sexual relationship with Eric; her lies were featured prominently in a previous book on the massacre and later redacted by the author.
Chapter 7- Dylan- The Follower? Presents evidence that strongly refutes widely accepted claims that Dylan Klebold participated in the attack on Columbine mainly due to manipulation by Eric Harris.
Chapter 8- Foreshadowing Details the body of statements and writings by both Eric and Dylan that hinted at what they were planning; all of which were missed or disregarded by the majority of those around them.
Chapter 9- Rumors Addresses many of the rumors that still persist about Columbine including false claims of involvement by people like Joe Stair or Robert Perry, the idea that Eric killed Dylan, and more.
Chapter 10- Were They Mentally Ill? Discusses the classification of Eric as a psychopath and Dylan as his depressive follower and presents evidence to help the reader decide whether this is the most accurate characterization of their personalities."
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slippy123
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Subject: Re: Evidence Ignored- What You May Not Know About Columbine Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:34 pm
thelmar wrote:
Evidence Ignored- What You May Not Know About Columbine by Rita Gleason
As of today, the release date is still just listed as 2019. Her Facebook updates indicate that the editing process is done and the book is being formatted.
She released a chapter summary a while back: "Chapter 1- The Trenchcoat Mafia Details all available information and witness testimony regarding the TCM as well as discusses whether Eric and Dylan were truly members of the group.
Chapter 2- Bullying of Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold Evaluates all incidents of bullying against Eric and Dylan, garnered from statements from friends, family, and the killers themselves. Also discusses the culture of bullying at Columbine.
Chapter 3- Harris and Klebold as Bullies Evidence of Eric and Dylan bullying other students. Extensively details contacts the Brown family had with police regarding Eric Harris.
Chapter 4- The Arrest and Diversion Program Outlines Eric's and Dylan's arrests for breaking into a van, including their written police statements and comparative analysis of their time in the Juvenile Diversion Program.
Chapter 5- Luvox Discusses Eric Harris' use of the anti-depressants Zoloft and Luvox, Mark Taylor's lawsuit against Solvay Pharmaceuticals, and what effect, if any, the medication may have played in the attack on Columbine.
Chapter 6- Girlfriends Presents evidence of what relationships Eric and Dylan had (both real and imagined) with members of the opposite sex. Also goes in depth in discussion of a woman who falsely claimed to have had a sexual relationship with Eric; her lies were featured prominently in a previous book on the massacre and later redacted by the author.
Chapter 7- Dylan- The Follower? Presents evidence that strongly refutes widely accepted claims that Dylan Klebold participated in the attack on Columbine mainly due to manipulation by Eric Harris.
Chapter 8- Foreshadowing Details the body of statements and writings by both Eric and Dylan that hinted at what they were planning; all of which were missed or disregarded by the majority of those around them.
Chapter 9- Rumors Addresses many of the rumors that still persist about Columbine including false claims of involvement by people like Joe Stair or Robert Perry, the idea that Eric killed Dylan, and more.
Chapter 10- Were They Mentally Ill? Discusses the classification of Eric as a psychopath and Dylan as his depressive follower and presents evidence to help the reader decide whether this is the most accurate characterization of their personalities."
Seems like a well put together book. I hope it is as interesting as it seems.
spinvault
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Subject: Re: Evidence Ignored- What You May Not Know About Columbine Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:24 pm
Sounds interesting and promising. Thanks for listing it. Look forward to reading it.
QuestionMark Top 10 Contributor
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Subject: Re: Evidence Ignored- What You May Not Know About Columbine Mon Mar 11, 2019 4:04 pm
Sounds almost like they've been taking notes from posters here.
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thelmar
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Subject: Re: Evidence Ignored- What You May Not Know About Columbine Mon Mar 11, 2019 5:09 pm
QuestionMark wrote:
Sounds almost like they've been taking notes from posters here.
Hoping so. I've longed wished someone would write a book that helps correct the damage done by Cullen. Every time a new one comes out, I keep my fingers crossed.
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Subject: Re: Evidence Ignored- What You May Not Know About Columbine Mon Mar 11, 2019 5:36 pm
thelmar wrote:
QuestionMark wrote:
Sounds almost like they've been taking notes from posters here.
Hoping so. I've longed wished someone would write a book that helps correct the damage done by Cullen. Every time a new one comes out, I keep my fingers crossed.
I would love to write a book, Seriously if the Harris’s ever want to write something called we need to talk about Eric... they can let me know. I will ghostwrite the heck out of it
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Subject: Re: Evidence Ignored- What You May Not Know About Columbine Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:30 pm
This one seems promising!
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Subject: Re: Evidence Ignored- What You May Not Know About Columbine Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:59 pm
Screamingophelia wrote:
thelmar wrote:
QuestionMark wrote:
Sounds almost like they've been taking notes from posters here.
Hoping so. I've longed wished someone would write a book that helps correct the damage done by Cullen. Every time a new one comes out, I keep my fingers crossed.
I would love to write a book, Seriously if the Harris’s ever want to write something called we need to talk about Eric... they can let me know. I will ghostwrite the heck out of it
I would do anything for the Harris's to speak out in any way
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Subject: Re: Evidence Ignored- What You May Not Know About Columbine Sat Feb 01, 2020 9:14 pm
thelmar wrote:
Chapter 10- Were They Mentally Ill? Discusses the classification of Eric as a psychopath and Dylan as his depressive follower and presents evidence to help the reader decide whether this is the most accurate characterization of their personalities."
Hi, Thelmar! I really enjoyed Rita's book because she, unlike Cullen, backs up her claims with quotations from the 11K document and where she found them. I always find that helpful. She also is right to place emphasis on Columbine's toxic environment and the administration officials who did nothing to stop it. She is a fascinating writer who has done her research on Columbine, that's for sure. I am very happy that she took the time to make sure school officials take better measures to protect at risk children, as they are in most need.
However, I would like to point in that she got two things wrong about psychopathy or (ASP). First, ASP is not a mental illness but a personality disorder, which is a cluster of traits. Also, ASP patients are not destined to kil!. Most start small: petty theft, vandalism, grand auto theft, etc. They do not start their violent killing sprees until they reach a tipping a point (point of no return), and this point is where it becoming unstoppable, like a run away train. Herman Webster Mudgett is an example here, but not Eric. (As I wrote in another post, Eric is not technically a psychopath, although he scored higher than average on the checklist. )
Other than those minor mistakes, I enjoyed this book and would recommend it too all Columbine researchers.
thelmar
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Subject: Re: Evidence Ignored- What You May Not Know About Columbine Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:35 am
I agree; I really liked being able to follow up on something she said by reading the documents she cited. It made it really easy because she's essentially done all the hard work for you in finding it.
I've already loaned my paperback to someone who's read Cullen's book. She was really surprised at just how different the two takes on the same event are and I think she's now fallen through the Columbine rabbit hole!
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Subject: Re: Evidence Ignored- What You May Not Know About Columbine Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:18 pm
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Subject: Re: Evidence Ignored- What You May Not Know About Columbine Tue Apr 21, 2020 5:49 pm
I tried to get a hold of this book, but sadly its not available around here .
Where can I get it?
thelmar
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Subject: Re: Evidence Ignored- What You May Not Know About Columbine Tue Apr 21, 2020 11:42 pm
Norwegian wrote:
I tried to get a hold of this book, but sadly its not available around here .
Where can I get it?
I've only ever seen it advertised on Amazon; I don't know if it's sold through anywhere else. You might try sites like Ebay or Mercari to see if anyone is selling it secondhand there but I'd guess it would be the paperback not the e-book. If you're looking for the e-book, not sure where you'd go about finding that. The author also has a website and Facebook page, you might try contacting her directly.
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