Multiple victims in shooting at STEM School in Highlands Ranch, Colorado

Well, because gun control won't do a damn thing to solve any of this. Mental health and bullying are the main issues here.

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Looks like some people are saying no to the gun control agenda.

"BuT yOu'Re NoT sUpPoSeD tO gO aGaInStS tHe AgEnDa" - Leftists news, most likely.

Well it is Colorado so what did they expect them to do.

Article with some more info and details regarding the third suspect:

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Authorities are investigating a report that a private security officer at STEM School Highlands Ranch shot at a Douglas County sheriff’s deputy responding to Tuesday’s attack that left one student dead and eight others wounded, 9Wants to Know has confirmed with multiple law enforcement sources.
Investigators are also looking at the possibility a bullet from that security officer’s gun may have hit and wounded one of the students injured in the incident. ....
“News to me,” said Grant Whitus*, the owner of BOSS High Level Protection, the private security firm contracted to have an officer at the school.


*If that names seems familiar, he was a SWAT team member at Columbine.

starviego wrote:

Article with some more info and details regarding the third suspect:

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Authorities are investigating a report that a private security officer at STEM School Highlands Ranch shot at a Douglas County sheriff’s deputy responding to Tuesday’s attack that left one student dead and eight others wounded, 9Wants to Know has confirmed with multiple law enforcement sources.
Investigators are also looking at the possibility a bullet from that security officer’s gun may have hit and wounded one of the students injured in the incident. ....
“News to me,” said Grant Whitus*, the owner of BOSS High Level Protection, the private security firm contracted to have an officer at the school.


*If that names seems familiar, he was a SWAT team member at Columbine.

Hm, well that's certainly interesting. However, I doubt the security officer firing at a deputy was intentional.

One suspect was rushed and restrained by student bystanders.  The other was restrained and neutralized by the security officer.  This happened BEFORE the arrival of the cops.  So why did the guard pull his weapon and fire off a shot?  He was a military veteran and an ex-JeffCo sheriff's deputy, thus he would have had plenty of training in safe weapons handling and the proper use of deadly force.  So it's hard for me to believe this was just an accident.

starviego wrote:

One suspect was rushed and restrained by student bystanders.  The other was restrained and neutralized by the security officer.  This happened BEFORE the arrival of the cops.  So why did the guard pull his weapon and fire off a shot?  He was an ex-JeffCo sheriff's deputy, so he would have had plenty of training in safe weapons handling and the proper use of deadly force.  So it's hard for me to believe this was just an accident.

...so then what else was it?

Covert Ops! OO-ee-OO!

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KristinKBSinger wrote:

how far Douglas county Colorado, is from Jefferson County.

It's weird. Actually, Littleton is somehow in three counties at once (Jefferson, Douglas, Arapahoe). I'm not sure on the technical details or why it works that way, but Littleton is also in Douglas. Jeffco handles their policing at that level, though.

thelmar wrote:

I have nothing to add. That community has been through so much it's inconceivable that they have to deal with this for another generation.
Unreal.

I don't think it's a coincidence. Douglas County (and a charter school, no less) was where my attack was foiled waaaay back in '05 or '06 or something, when I was in middle school.

Those conservative Christian suburbs... the way people act and behave in them... their weird and messed-up value system... it looks pretty on the surface, but the core is rotten.

There are places in Denver where there's a lot of robbery, drugs, and gang violence, but even in those places, rarely does someone just snap and decide to take a whole bunch of random, innocent people with them. Only South Denver suburbia does that. The people are plastic, their priorities are hideously out-of-whack, the conservative Christian social order is rigidly enforced, and the emotional geometry of the human beings that reside there... there's no room for anything but mindless dogma and callousness. Just go to one of those places on nextdoor and read firsthand how these idiots talk to one another, how they think, how they view the world. It's comical and horrible and a little bit tragic all at the same time. It'd be enough to drive anyone who can think for themselves to the brink of insanity.

And from time to time, that's exactly what happens.

(And before someone sensitive gets their panties in a twist, no, I'm not going to do anything violent. Or, at least, nothing violent in the sense of Columbine or whatever. But I am hopelessly insane, and those people played no small part in driving me over the edge. I absolutely believe the social, moral, spiritual, and emotional structure of those suburbs are precisely the reason why you see so many shootings originate from there and from almost nowhere else.)

Very interesting post.

We've never focused enough on the social/cultural/religious atmosphere of Columbine and the surrounding community. Brooks Brown addressed it in his book, as did Ralph Larkin in his. So many of the kids at the school were hypocrites in the sense that they would talk about their love for Jesus one minute and then go around punching "fags" the next. Also, many of the holier-than-thou types were heavily into sex, booze, and drugs.

I had a small but intense dose of exposure to evangelicalism at one point. Some of the believers were really nice people, but many of them were exactly the way you describe. Instead of approaching their Christian faith with the attitude that "God is great, and I am nothing; I must be humble," they say, "God is great, and I'm better than you; kiss my ass."

One person in particular told me that believing in Jesus made her perfect. That was the word she used - perfect. And she meant it.

I am honestly glad that someone finally brought this topic of. Although I identify as a Christian, and I have met multiple other christians, who are self absorbed, quick to judge, and frankly, they practice what they preach. Saying that, could just as well, make me a hypocrite by judging them, but I completely agree, that if you're living a life of love, you shouldn't live a life of hate, so 'perfect' Christian's don't exist, and never will, however, Christian's who think that they are perfect, (and are very wrong about it), sadly, do exist. I was bullied in a Christian private school, diagnosed with Epilepsy, and now I'm a Homeschooled senior, my religion hasn't changed, but my view on the people who share my religion, have changed. I now believe that we are all just human beings, and we should treat everyone equally, maybe then the cycle would change. Hearing the background of this school, and a bit of the background of the suspects, it does not surprise me at all that this happened. I wish that closed minded people, would open their minds up as much as they possibly can, and I feel like when love starts, change will as well. Some people cling on to hate, so sadly, not all hate or bitterness will stop. Not all bullying will stop. I just wish that everyone could come together one day, and agree, that we're all here until we aren't here anymore, and we might as well treat everyone right, instead of pushing what we believe, onto other people, and bullying them for what they believe. Killing people, while mental health is partially to blame, there are multiple blames and bullying definitely attributes to it. Have a great day!

starviego wrote:

Covert Ops!  OO-ee-OO!

But...why? For what purpose?

Same as it ever was:

"You had to attack civilians, the people, women, children, innocent people ... [anything] to force these people, the Italian public to turn to the State to ask for greater security." - Vincenzo Vinciguerra, CIA / NATO-backed terrorist

QuestionMark wrote:

starviego wrote:

Covert Ops!  OO-ee-OO!

But...why? For what purpose?

I mean, attacks like 9/11 being faked can be justified, 9/11 was a massive attack and will forever be remembered and even started wars. I believe 9/11 was perpetrated by AQ, sure, but there is a legitimate reason for it being faked and it's big enough to matter. This on the other hand? A small shooting that'll get forgotten about in a week? Nah.

...I didn't know one was trans. I don't know how to feel about this since it hits close to home in this aspect since I'm also trans. This gave me a whole lot of questions that swirled in my head.

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Colorado shooter says he targeted kids over gender taunts
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McKinney "said he wanted the kids at the school to experience bad things, have to suffer from trauma like he had had to in his life," the document said. "He wanted everyone in that school to suffer and realize that the world is a bad place."

thelmar wrote:

Colorado shooter says he targeted kids over gender taunts
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McKinney "said he wanted the kids at the school to experience bad things, have to suffer from trauma like he had had to in his life," the document said. "He wanted everyone in that school to suffer and realize that the world is a bad place."

Looks like tumblrs found itself a folk hero.

So im guessing McKinney is the mastermind?

thelmar wrote:

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McKinney "said he wanted the kids at the school to experience bad things, have to suffer from trauma like he had had to in his life," the document said. "He wanted everyone in that school to suffer and realize that the world is a bad place."

We need to find out where his Sonic recolor drawings are. This might be the most autistic shooter since Randy Stair.

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thelmar wrote:

Colorado shooter says he targeted kids over gender taunts
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McKinney "said he wanted the kids at the school to experience bad things, have to suffer from trauma like he had had to in his life," the document said. "He wanted everyone in that school to suffer and realize that the world is a bad place."

We need to find out where his Sonic recolor drawings are. This might be the most autistic shooter since Randy Stair.

I'm very certain neither Randy or this kid has autism.

Finally, shooters that are more embarrassing than Randy Stair.

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thelmar wrote:

Colorado shooter says he targeted kids over gender taunts
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McKinney "said he wanted the kids at the school to experience bad things, have to suffer from trauma like he had had to in his life," the document said. "He wanted everyone in that school to suffer and realize that the world is a bad place."

We need to find out where his Sonic recolor drawings are. This might be the most autistic shooter since Randy Stair.

I'm very certain neither Randy or this kid has autism.

I'm joking, of course.

...well shit. An actual case of of a shooting caused my Mental Health AND Bullying...Yes i do believe in the bullying thing with this one cause I know how some people are towards those who are trans.

NOTE: THIS IS NOT ME CONDONING WHAT HE AND THE OTHER GUY DID! This is just me acknowledging what at least two of the causes that lead up to this were.

This is also kinda making me scared for myself because this right here is gonna give some ammunition against people who are trans.

QuestionMark wrote:

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QuestionMark wrote:

thelmar wrote:

Colorado shooter says he targeted kids over gender taunts
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McKinney "said he wanted the kids at the school to experience bad things, have to suffer from trauma like he had had to in his life," the document said. "He wanted everyone in that school to suffer and realize that the world is a bad place."

We need to find out where his Sonic recolor drawings are. This might be the most autistic shooter since Randy Stair.

I'm very certain neither Randy or this kid has autism.

I'm joking, of course.

Yeah I know, it's just a pet peeve of mine when people think a shooter has autism.

TheOne99 wrote:

So im guessing McKinney is the mastermind?  

"McKinney told police he threatened Erickson with an ax to get him to help open a gun safe using the ax and a crowbar."

I would say so.

tyrannovox wrote:

This is also kinda making me scared for myself because this right here is gonna give some ammunition against people who are trans.

I seriously doubt the average joe or jane on the street even knows about this shooting. It's just going to be a punchline to more than a few jokes in internet forums like these and that'll be it. I think you're gonna be okay.

Did anyone notice that this happened on the same day that Randy Stair was originally planning to kill himself (May 07, 2019)? And with one of the shooters been transgender, too.

I didn’t mention this when it happened because I didn’t want to sound like the weird guy that always talks about the same freaking topic… but I guess that it doesn’t matter at this point  

Alex213 wrote:

Did anyone notice that this happened on the same day that Randy Stair was originally planning to kill himself (May 07, 2019)? And with one of the shooters been transgender, too.

I didn’t mention this when it happened because I didn’t want to sound like the weird guy that always talks about the same freaking topic… but I guess that it doesn’t matter at this point  

That's a very interesting coincidence. Never really thought of that. Obviously, I doubt Alec McKinney knew much about Randy Stair at all, but it's cool that you pointed that out.

Carnifex879 wrote:

Obviously, I doubt Alec McKinney knew much about Randy Stair at all

Yeah, I don’t think so… but still… the two more notorious shootings (that I know of, at least) with a transgender shooter could potentially have happened on the same day.

Carnifex879 wrote:

Alex213 wrote:

Did anyone notice that this happened on the same day that Randy Stair was originally planning to kill himself (May 07, 2019)? And with one of the shooters been transgender, too.

I didn’t mention this when it happened because I didn’t want to sound like the weird guy that always talks about the same freaking topic… but I guess that it doesn’t matter at this point

That's a very interesting coincidence. Never really thought of that. Obviously, I doubt Alec McKinney knew much about Randy Stair at all, but it's cool that you pointed that out.

I agree, this is some Inception level shit when taking into account every other weird coincidence about the shooting (happened close to Littleton, Colorado, there were two shooters, one of the SAWT officers who had been at Columbine was running a private security firm that this school was using). Like Christ, you couldn't get away with this shit if you wrote about it in an airplane novel.

Honestly I think the date was chosen because it was the anniversary of the end of WWII. IIRC the Wikipedia IP address that was making edits alluding to the shooting on that website had also made edits for WWII related articles.

Devon Erickson in 2020:

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Devon Erickson in 2020:

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That's what prison does to ya I guess.

Primate Murder wrote:

Devon Erickson in 2020:

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Damn Devon what the fuck did they do to you in there!