Describe Eric and Dylan using only 1 line.

We have all discussed the mindset ,behavior and psychology ,etc of Eric and Dylan.
We have looked into their minds with great detail and scrutiny.
It would be quite interesting to describe Eric and Dylan briefly ,but rightly.
Hey ,how about describing Eric and Dylan as you personally perceive them.

So if i start with Eric : Angry and full of rage. Obsessed with firearms and bombs.
Then Dylan: Tall and thin. Very lonely. Murderer.

Their are a million words to describe them both ,just 1 line will do !

My current thoughts on the two.. and yes I did use a million words, my apologies. ;)

Eric: smart and funny hothead with connection issues to his peers due to continuous uprootment who tended to live life with one foot in this world and one foot in a world of stories where he was the hero.

Dylan: clever quiet 'sudden storm' with a huge inner wealth of feelings and thoughts who wanted to brave this world on his own and ended up being rendered alone while longing for a better world where he was truly safe and loved.

Godlike

I love Eric Harris. 


J/K.

E: Angry boy that forgot Doom was a video game, not meant to be reenacted into reality.
D: Subdued and depressed, and desperate to find a fix for his depression and hatred for those above him.

E: Lonely, desperate, angry, self-isolated and unable to process emotion.
D: Mournful, angry, clever.

Jenn wrote:

I love Eric Harris. 


J/K.

 

Angry dorks join in powerful and destructive dyad.

Dylan : Suicidal and yearning for eternal peace. Sadistic nature and enjoyed killing people.
Eric    : Yearned for infamy as a bomber and wanted to be a sophisticated planner of mass murder.

Dylan : In desperate need of a girl friend. Fantasized about revenge against those who bullied him.
Eric    : Desperate to loose his virginity and fantasized about extremely violent sex.

Assholes

rik75 wrote:

Dylan : In desperate need of a girl friend. Fantasized about revenge against those who bullied him.
Eric    : Desperate to loose his virginity and fantasized about extremely violent sex.

I think both were kind of desperate to lose it.

I'll add stupid for of them.

Eric- an angry, hateful , envious and rebellious teenager but also wise and witty. Desperately wanted to leave a long lasting impression on the world and believed violence was the only way to accomplish that.
Dylan- a very shy, sensitive and depressed teenager who wanted nothing but love and to finally be put out of his misery.

"Good wombs hath borne bad sons"

The greatest line has already been written, quoted.

This always describes them pretty well, or at-least they come to mind.
"Like a fiendish tropic virus Spitting bile at all you whores Razor-sharp tongue-in-cheek Poking in your open sores."
'Megalomaniac' -KMFDM

Eric : saw himself as a revolutionary genius and a force to be reckoned with.

Dylan : A guy who believed in his own outlandish ego and would die as an unforgettable Godlike species.

E/D : Child killing punks who couldn't even get laid ! ! ! 

You make it sound like it's easy to get laid, Rik75, lol

Wow, you have used way more than one sentence.

rik75 wrote:

E/D : Child killing punks who couldn't even get laid ! ! ! 

They're getting laid post-mortem, that's even harder to do. Gotta give them some credit for that.

Eric: god of anger and passion (Zeus), expresses and externalizes strong emotion
Dylan: god of sadness and apathy, supresses and internalizes strong emotion

Hm. I'm envisoning archetypal tarot cards at this point.. ;)

InFiNiNcEX5 wrote:

Eric: god of anger and passion (Zeus), expresses and externalizes strong emotion
Dylan: god of sadness and apathy, supresses and internalizes strong emotion

Hm. I'm envisoning archetypal tarot cards at this point.. ;)

Didn't Eric write an essay comparing himself to Zeus and how they both try to solve their problems the least violent way possible?

InFiNiNcEX5 wrote:

Eric: god of anger and passion (Zeus), expresses and externalizes strong emotion
Dylan: god of sadness and apathy, supresses and internalizes strong emotion

Hm. I'm envisoning archetypal tarot cards at this point.. ;)

CatherineM813 wrote:

Didn't Eric write an essay comparing himself to Zeus and how they both try to solve their problems the least violent way possible?

and.. "Zeus and I also get angry easily and punish people in unusual ways."

JayJay wrote:

rik75 wrote:

E/D : Child killing punks who couldn't even get laid ! ! ! 

They're getting laid post-mortem, that's even harder to do. Gotta give them some credit for that.

 That was really funny!

JayJay wrote:

rik75 wrote:

E/D : Child killing punks who couldn't even get laid ! ! ! 

They're getting laid post-mortem, that's even harder to do. Gotta give them some credit for that.

Nice one JayJay !   

JDM87 wrote:

You make it sound like it's easy to get laid, Rik75, lol

  LOL !!!!

tragedy79 wrote:

JayJay wrote:

rik75 wrote:

E/D : Child killing punks who couldn't even get laid ! ! ! 

They're getting laid post-mortem, that's even harder to do. Gotta give them some credit for that.

 That was really funny!

I do not find it funny !!! I find it hilarious !!!!!        

InFiNiNcEX5 wrote:

InFiNiNcEX5 wrote:

Eric: god of anger and passion (Zeus), expresses and externalizes strong emotion
Dylan: god of sadness and apathy, supresses and internalizes strong emotion

Hm. I'm envisoning archetypal tarot cards at this point.. ;)

CatherineM813 wrote:

Didn't Eric write an essay comparing himself to Zeus and how they both try to solve their problems the least violent way possible?

and.. "Zeus and I also get angry easily and punish people in unusual ways."

Hahaha, I totally forgot about this one.  And, of course, he'd have to pick a god designated as 'king of the gods'.. What else is new.

I love the original description from you, InFiNiNcEX5. I was reminded very strongly of the court cards in tarot all of a sudden as well, so I went on the hunt for descriptions and think I located Dylan in full and most of Eric.. It's easier to place them in court cards than it would be in the archetypes used in the Major Arcana.

thedragonrampant wrote:

InFiNiNcEX5 wrote:

InFiNiNcEX5 wrote:

Eric: god of anger and passion (Zeus), expresses and externalizes strong emotion
Dylan: god of sadness and apathy, supresses and internalizes strong emotion

Hm. I'm envisoning archetypal tarot cards at this point.. ;)

CatherineM813 wrote:

Didn't Eric write an essay comparing himself to Zeus and how they both try to solve their problems the least violent way possible?

and.. "Zeus and I also get angry easily and punish people in unusual ways."

Hahaha, I totally forgot about this one.  And, of course, he'd have to pick a god designated as 'king of the gods'.. What else is new.

I love the original description from you, InFiNiNcEX5. :)I was reminded very strongly of the court cards in tarot all of a sudden as well, so I went on the hunt for descriptions and think I located Dylan in full and most of Eric.. It's easier to place them in court cards than it would be in the archetypes used in the Major Arcana.

Holy Moly. These cards are so spot on, it's not even funny.

(Actually yes, it kind of is.)


''Knight of Cup:

A knight in the truest sense, this is the knight of love, the "emo" teen: dreamy, sensitive, moody, "deep." He plays music, spends long hours alone in his room with the shades drawn, he writes dark, meaningful poetry. He or she will fall in love, profoundly and romantically, and believe that theirs is the most true, the most intense and spiritual love ever.

They can, likewise, see themselves as more spiritual, artistic or "deep" than others. They have a tendency to believe that others just "don't understand" and can't understand the power of their feelings.

The Knight of Cups should be watched for depression, which can be very real and serious. This teen or teen-like person may be so lost in emotions that they are inclined toward suicide. They are also in danger of experimenting with drugs and alcohol, not to have fun, but to escape from their intense feelings. Though moody, the Knight of Cups is fiercely loyal to anyone and anything he loves, including family.''




Knight of Swords:

''Too smart for his own good, the Knight of Swords is also too talkative. He/she is the sort to get into a dozen flame wars on a dozen internet chat sites. This is the sort of teen/teen-like person who will questions his teachers (bosses), likes to play devil's advocate, and argue with his friends and family just for the sake of arguing.

Cool and logical, he can be very smart and amazing at problem-solving. This, however, can make him arrogant, cold, even cruel to those he views as not so bright. This sharp mind and sharp tongue can also lead him to spread gossip or nasty rumors just to see what will happen. He may be an internet troll or hacker and likely to cause serious trouble or get into serious trouble because of it. He fails to consider the consequences of his words, and can be uncaring about others feelings.

He is, however, a good Knight to have on your side, as he will find clever ways to win in battle. If there's anything this knight will fight and die for, it is for freedom of information and speech.

InFiNiNcEX5 wrote:

InFiNiNcEX5 wrote:

Eric: god of anger and passion (Zeus), expresses and externalizes strong emotion
Dylan: god of sadness and apathy, supresses and internalizes strong emotion

Hm. I'm envisoning archetypal tarot cards at this point.. ;)

CatherineM813 wrote:

Didn't Eric write an essay comparing himself to Zeus and how they both try to solve their problems the least violent way possible?

and.. "Zeus and I also get angry easily and punish people in unusual ways."

thedragonrampant wrote:

Hahaha, I totally forgot about this one.  And, of course, he'd have to pick a god designated as 'king of the gods'.. What else is new.

And one that incidentally has multiple women at his beckoning. ;)

thedragonrampant wrote:

I love the original description from you, InFiNiNcEX5. :)I was reminded very strongly of the court cards in tarot all of a sudden as well, so I went on the hunt for descriptions and think I located Dylan in full and most of Eric.. It's easier to place them in court cards than it would be in the archetypes used in the Major Arcana.

Thank you!   I like and very much applaud your minor arcana choices! I chuckled at the "teen" description meanings and they're so dang spot on too.  Dylan as the teenage Emo Knight with those cups of deep, hidden/supressed emotional waters and Emo Knight Rebel Eric with naturally.. a weapon (what else, eh?),  a sharp, ascerbic sword used to conquer and subjegate (or in his mind, The Hero of Natural Selection, charging in to battle to defend the weird and rejected outcasts from the unworthy human virus.))

As for major arcana choices, I see the boys primarily as:

Dylan - The Hermit - ruled by Virgo (but of course)
It truly encapsulates his constant thinking and analyzing in solitude. The feelings of difference and isolation on that mountaintop to the point where he begins to justify it as a fate of superiority.
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Eric - The Emperor - ruled by the passionate fire of Aries (ah, naturally)
Imo, a the foundation of what shapes Eric and his desire to become REB stems from unresolved issues surrounding his rigid ruling father, The ultimate Emperor. Lots of unresolved partriachal energy there.
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4/20 to them would be (The) Judgement
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However, to the world, it was The Tower, a cataclysmic, earth shattering bomb of a message.
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And now, I suppose, we've meandered completely off topic - OH well!

Ooohh, I like that we've gone a little deeper into this.  

Must admit, I read the Knight of Cups and went  at just how accurate it was. It's so much Dylan, it's not even funny. I was a little torn between Swords and Wands for Eric, though. He seems to have a bit of both, because these read as quite accurate from the Wands-description. (I'd actually like to say that a healthy version of Eric would probably very much be like the Knight of Wands? I see younger Eric in the full description of that one.)

Aeclectic Tarot wrote:

Knight of Wands is the "tilting at windmills" Knight. The kind of youth who always goes for grand, dramatic gestures.
On the negative side, this teen can be headstrong, bossy or a bully-and a risk-taker, meaning he could do dangerous things and convince others to do dangerous things. A little narcissistic, he's not always sensitive to others feelings.
he can be fiercely loyal to his friends, and his religion whether that is sports, a philosophy or church.

What might also be interesting is to read the descriptions for the respective Kings of the deck. They are who the boys might have grown up to be, but I'd sooner place Eric in the Wands-category for this one as well. (Damn the trickiness of this kid.  )


Major Arcana choices are very interesting, and very well put! I'd also consider Moon for Dylan and Magician for Eric. Moon with the "that scary, dreamy, secret otherworld where lies the most powerful and dark magic and artistic talents" and Magician with the "time when one is eloquent and charismatic, clever, witty, inventive and persuasive". They're influential aspects at the very least, although I really think you've hit the nail on the head with your cards.

thedragonrampant wrote:

Ooohh, I like that we've gone a little deeper into this.  

Must admit, I read the Knight of Cups and went  at just how accurate it was. It's so much Dylan, it's not even funny. I was a little torn between Swords and Wands for Eric, though. He seems to have a bit of both, because these read as quite accurate from the Wands-description. (I'd actually like to say that a healthy version of Eric would probably very much be like the Knight of Wands? I see younger Eric in the full description of that one.)

That description of Knight of Cups does eerily fit Dylan to a tee. Eric definitely does seem a cusp of wands and swords.  If he hadn't turned to the dark side, I'm sure Eric would've been a forced to be reckoned with whatever field he eventually found himself agreeable with - given his inclination for hard work, effort and discipline.  Both the wands/swords symbol are dynamic, active, take-charge qualities where as Dylan having that emo aspect, is receptive - harboring and swallowing emotions and given the constant mental pondering of intellectual ideas and thoughts, I can see Dylan emboding the Sword energy in a stagnant, isolated, anxiety-driven fashion such as the Eight and Nine of Swords.

The two together are like a symbiotic yin and yang, like puzzle pieces that complete one another in areas where each lacks so that by the time they agreed upon NBK, the inertia of ingenuity, planning, rage building and action all together executed with deadly momentum.  Even though the bombs failed and the plan didn't go precisely as they had hoped, for teenage boys joining forces, they were a somwhat efficent, rare, deadly dyad. I guess that would be a backhanded compliment.. ;)

thedragonrampant wrote:

Major Arcana choices are very interesting, and very well put! I'd also consider Moon for Dylan and Magician for Eric. Moon with the "that scary, dreamy, secret otherworld where lies the most powerful and dark magic and artistic talents" and Magician with the "time when one is eloquent and charismatic, clever, witty, inventive and persuasive". They're influential aspects at the very least, although I really think you've hit the nail on the head with your cards.

That's too funny because my second choice for Eric was the Magician! Hee. Great minds.. ;) Eric knows how to accomplish his passions, his dreams.  Yep, I can also see the influences of the deceptive Moon energy in Dylan, certainly.  My second choice would probably be The Hanged Man with the introversion, sensitivity and surrendering to his Fate to get to his spiritual destiny.  

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Dylan: sad, mysterious, suffering stranger, incarnate in human form, without the possibility of human existence.
Eric: impulsive, knowledgeable and unyielding, but sensitive and touchy rebel.
Both: intelligent, unhappy, rejected children, vindictive and cruel killers.

Eric: misunderstood
Dylan: lover