Analysis Proving Dylan Did Not Place His Jewelry into a Pile w/Credits/Srcs

Also, if he was going to take off his jewelry, why would he have left his ring on? According to his autopsy, it was still on his left ring finger.
Can't tell you how many times I've tried to disabuse people of this fantasy but they hold on tight to it, for some odd reason.

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Thats nothing. Try telling them that the bombs being set for 11:17 comes only from dylans notes, the same notes with other notes contradicting them, is obviously wrong, and that their entire notion of the massacre rests on accepting two facts: 11:19 it starts and 11:17 is when it was supposed to start. Why one has to conjure up a story of changing plans at 11:18 and has nothing but caprice to explain eg massacre over at 11:35.

EthanEmerson wrote:

That's true, yet another unverifiable piece of information that people roll with based on assumption.

The biggest assumption there is that the bombs would have gone off right away. A 4.5-pound propane tank set up for a BLEVE would need to burn for more than 5 minutes in extremely hot temperatures to explode. So even if they did "set" the timers for 11:17, it would have been 11:22+ before the actual explosions would happen. Sure, the initial gas cans would ignite the model rocket parts they used as igniters, but that's just to start the fire required to turn the tank into a BLEVE.

While I respect your knowledge Ethan - and not to stray too far from your point with my tongue-in-cheek comment, but I disagree with this. Why have timers at all then? That's not so they go off 'eventually'. Why ignore the sprinklers? Why write down plans with specific times? Why write the times when the cafeteria is at its fullest?  Without some schema of the bombs or something, not going to believe that they thought it was anything except instant. I have to doubt the gas cans were the ignitions. It seems to me they were just for further fire, until they failed, then they were used as ignition. It seems to me at best, if you're right, they didn't know that.

However, what is true is you need something like that (and 11:17 assumed) to get "fleeing into the parking lot". There won't be much fleeing from bombs that can take out hundreds. Surely that's why Klebold descended the stairs, for one. You have to go to them if you're going to bomb then shoot. Which has me wonder e. g. what if the white hats was about seeing victims in the bombed-out cafeteria?

It should give you pause that I'm not convinced and that you cannot respond to any of the specific points, and assume that the perps knew what you (supposedly) know. Timers existing and writing down plans specific to the minute and ignoring the sprinklers are all facts contradicting that, not theories.

But my theory helps too. For example, if you were correct, they would have waited for that second bomb in the library. Not have said, "oh, it didn't work", and got out of there in a minute.

You explained no more than what you did above, and have no theory of your own despite such a substantial revision, which it is your duty to provide if you do so. As I have done.

You have no response to a very simple point: If you are right and the bombs had to cook rather than simply go off, why the timers? Why ignore the sprinklers? Why write as if they would simply go off? Why only use the Molotov after trying pipe bombs and shooting it?  Why not wait for the bomb to cook in the library? Why not wait for the bomb to cook outside?  You should be able to explain these things. You should be able to explain all the facts the regular theory explains, all the facts mine explains, and more, if you have another theory. It should do explanatory work. Not just stomp your foot and insist. Which is what you did there and here.

It seems to me you are either confusing Dylan's attempt to make it go off with how it was supposed to work without him, or you are confusing what was in their heads with what was true in fact.  The same way people say those bombs wouldn't bring down the library. That doesn't matter, because they said they would, and obviously thought they would, which is what is relevant to explaining their actions. I suspect it simply had more components than fire and a propane tank, but I'll take the latter view.

Right, you have no theories, so that alleged fact doesn't do any explanatory work, so one is right to question it as a fact. You don't have to fedpost to answer them, once, as you never have. I think most agree the bombs were supposed to simply go off for the reasons provided.

If I may interject...

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I don't think that the functionality of a BLEVE was ever in dispute. What I think [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] is trying to say is that Eric and Dylan did not understand how it worked and the two of them expected it to function like an actual bomb. If you believe this assumption is incorrect that's another matter.

I obviously understand enough which is why I talked about them cooking. Yes, what's the point of a timer if they weren't supposed to explode at that time? You haven't answered. Same for the rest of the perfectly reasonable questions.

What you don't understand is that such a revision cries out for a revision to the theory.  The usual theory does not have that. Neither does mine. When I try to reconstruct one with that information, I run into the problems cited. If you want to say human gestation takes 7 months rather than 9, you have to explain how that works.  You don't get to merely say everybody else is wedded to their theory and just need to come to terms with the fact of your interpretation.

You don't need to go on about how the bombs work and I can understand why you don't want to, and that it would be difficult to explain without. My own theory is a revision of how the bombs worked.  The point is Eric and Dylan's actions during the massacre. If those can be explained better with it taking several minutes to go off after cooking, then fine, but that hasn't even been attempted yet. And you did not attempt it in messages either. "What's the point of a time bomb that doesn't go off when you set it to go off?" is not "explain how the timers connected to the bombs", it's "Wtf were Eric and Dylan thinking then"

I just keep hearing how I'm too wedded to my theory -  when I am perfectly willing to entertain at least two - and am asking for a third one which incorporates what you are demanding it do. Their actions seem to me more consistent with thinking the bombs simply went off, and so I think either it was more complicated than the standard BLEVE, or I think they didn't understand how the standard BLEVE worked.

I might have more to add later, but for now I'll make another aside to point out this.

cakeman wrote:

Why ignore the sprinklers?

Actually, some fires can't be put out with sprinklers.

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Class B fires involve flammable liquids like oil, alcohol, or gasoline.

According to the US Fire Administration, Class B fires involve ignitable liquids or gases like petroleum grease, alcohol, paint, propane, or gasoline. But, this classification typically does not include fires involving cooking oils or grease.

According to Strike First, these types of fires might occur anywhere flammable liquids or gases are stored or used.

It's very important not to use a water extinguisher on a Class B fire — the stream of water might spread the flaming material rather than extinguish it.

If I'm interpreting everything correctly, then if the bombs have to cook in heat to go off, and the heat is caused by a fire, and that fire gets started by gasoline, then the sprinklers could very well make it worse.

EthanEmerson wrote:

Dude.

"what's the point of a timer if they weren't supposed to explode at that time? You haven't answered."

For the 100th time, I did answer this question with specificity in your PMs. The timers are part of creating the BLEVE. I explained how it works. You keep asking this question after you've been given the specific answer. You keep rejecting the answer because you have a bizarre theory in your mind that you've created out of thin air.

The very fact that you have to keep asking why the timers existed tells me you don't understand how BLEVEs work because if you did, the lights would go on and you'd have that "aha" moment.

When you're ready to see it, you'll see it.

It really has nothing to do with my theory - the usual theory doesn't accept this idea either. Nor is my theory out of thin air nor bizarre, it's quite simple. But, if it were, that would be better than your no theory at all. You need a theory for the facts to stick together; it is a naive view of knowledge that alleged facts don't hang together with others, such that when things are in contradiction you weigh up the options for which fact to abandon. The "theory-ladenness of observation" doesn't apply just to me. So, what is your theory of the MO? What have we ignored previously about the events that day explained by this interesting new information?  "I'm a sage above that" isnt an answer. I'm sure if one could be dredged up it would indeed be a thunderclap.

Telling me that the timers make the bomb work isn't answering the question. You don't have to make it a time bomb. A time bomb goes off at a specific...time. So, it's at least queer to say it goes off some time after the timer is set.  As with all the others, that's a question about MO, not a question about the physics of bombs.

Appreciate QuestionMark for doing the work for you and actually answering the question. Though, it seems queer to say the sprinklers might have made it worse, when they obviously didn't, they put out the one bomb they managed to make catch fire. Ethan submits the bomb was working as initially intended then. Well, obviously, then it's false as intended the sprinklers wouldn't put them out. You would have to argue Eric and Dylan, in their minds, thought the sprinklers would do nothing or make it worse. For sure it's possible, but then I would say in their minds they thought it would simply go off seems at least as likely if not more. That would explain ignoring the sprinklers even easier - and more, such as not seeming to wait for the bombs to cook.

Lame copout pretending he already answered before yet can't seem just to bloody repeat the answer then [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].

I specifically said the theory isn't about bombs, it's about their MO given your idea of the bombs.  Not my fault you can't understand how we're owed a theory for why gestation takes 7 months when everybody else says 9 months, and that saying it's a scientific fact that it's 7 months isn't convincing anyone, it's just dogmatism.

You haven't rebutted my theory, or even tried. That you're saying the same thing 20 times doesn't mean everybody else is.

But lol at "ding ding ding" to "Well the bombs wouldn't be put out by the sprinklers" when uh there's the video in the cafeteria of that happening to at least one.

Cakeman went on Reddit for a while in the Columbine Discussion. People got fed up him there after 3 weeks. Seems he's back here now. Nobody can understand his demented ramblings.

Adzybear wrote:

Cakeman went on Reddit for a while in the Columbine Discussion. People got fed up him there after 3 weeks. Seems he's back here now. Nobody can understand his demented ramblings.

Lol....He was banned here for awhile too for polluting threads with his bizarre theories and arguments.
It's like talking to a brick wall, so the best thing people can do is just ignore him, unless you're really trying to dive down the rabbit hole