Tim Walsh, no records of him found anywhere

Looks to me like a guy walking his dog.

Who called it Walsh Butt Rape? I'm assuming it was a colleague just having a laugh, having seen what you guys are seeing in the sketch?

I guess he filed it away under that name as a joke between himself, Walsh and maybe a few other colleagues, thinking it's never need to be seen again - just a couple of punk kids that got in a spot of bother and would learn their lesson from the arrest and not get in trouble again.

Radioactive_Clothing wrote:

Looks to me like a guy walking his dog.

Who called it Walsh Butt Rape? I'm assuming it was a colleague just having a laugh, having seen what you guys are seeing in the sketch?

I guess he filed it away under that name as a joke between himself, Walsh and maybe a few other colleagues, thinking it's never need to be seen again - just a couple of punk kids that got in a spot of bother and would learn their lesson from the arrest and not get in trouble again.

No, he's right about the drawing, it's unusual that they would have a suspect make a sketch of the crime scene. Also why joke about it unless one of them said Walsh raped me, just a strange joke is all.

And Gustopoet is absolutely right about people not believing the criminal over the cop.

So the whole thing is a little murkier than I originally thought.

Radioactive_Clothing wrote:

I guess he filed it away under that name as a joke between himself, Walsh and maybe a few other colleagues, thinking it's never need to be seen again - just a couple of punk kids that got in a spot of bother and would learn their lesson from the arrest and not get in trouble again.

He sure had good judgement then didn't he?

aubre wrote:

So the whole thing is a little murkier than I originally thought.

It's not murky; it's opaque. Aubre, you have the tone of someone determined to get to the bottom of something (no pun intended).   Wish you mounds of luck. As far as I can tell, you can put my comments in this thread next to Radioactive's and pretty much have all the info available on this Walshbuttrape thing. Which only makes it more suspicious imho.

Ok yeah it's opaque, I put murky because it's also not easy to see through but it's also dark. Yeah I guess there's probably not a whole lot more to learn about this, but you were able to persuade me to open my mind a little bit to it. I saw it before but ran from it, anything that even kids of resembles a conspiracy theory I run. So I'm just impressed you were able to get me to see it a little differently.

aubre wrote:

Ok yeah it's opaque, I put murky because it's also not easy to see through but it's also dark. Yeah I guess there's probably not a whole lot more to learn about this, but you were able to persuade me to open my mind a little bit to it. I saw it before but ran from it, anything that even kids of resembles a conspiracy theory I run. So I'm just impressed you were able to get me to see it a little differently.

Maybe you can find something else if you keep digging. I'm grateful for the points you made as well -- it is easy to start getting carried away with circumstantial evidence, or even blind-alleys.

Sorry I'm not buying the ridiculous police accusation.

Again, not every time that police are involved in something HAS to be a cover up...it is getting quite comical at this point because everything relating to law enforcement or the government has to be a cover up, has to have something happening.

There is still no evidence whatsoever that Tim Walsh "raped" Eric and Dylan. No reports, nothing. Besides Eric was a big mouth. He'd have no trouble to say this to the world, or to his parents, or to Dylan, or on the Basement Tapes for that matter. Dylan was more personal, but if Eric didn't mention it I doubt it ever happened. The whole "buttrape" has been outdated for almost a decade already.

lol wrote:

Sorry I'm not buying the ridiculous police accusation.

Again, not every time that police are involved in something HAS to be a cover up...it is getting quite comical at this point because everything relating to law enforcement or the government has to be a cover up, has to have something happening.  

There is still no evidence whatsoever that Tim Walsh "raped" Eric and Dylan. No reports, nothing. Besides Eric was a big mouth. He'd have no trouble to say this to the world, or to his parents, or to Dylan, or on the Basement Tapes for that matter. Dylan was more personal, but if Eric didn't mention it I doubt it ever happened. The whole "buttrape" has been outdated for almost a decade already.

It does sound really far-fetched  at first. I don't buy into theories. But Jeffco was exactly forthright with everything were they, they did try to cover-up a lot of shit.

For ago we know they did mention being abused somehow, it's not like we have all the documents. I'd really like to know what was on that tape recording Eric made.

lol wrote:

There is still no evidence whatsoever that Tim Walsh "raped" Eric and Dylan. No reports, nothing. Besides Eric was a big mouth. He'd have no trouble to say this to the world, or to his parents, or to Dylan, or on the Basement Tapes for that matter. Dylan was more personal, but if Eric didn't mention it I doubt it ever happened. The whole "buttrape" has been outdated for almost a decade already.

There's no known hard evidence. There is circumstantial evidence. We don't have everything that JeffCo had/has and we never will. For all we know something incriminating was on the BT or on Eric's "Nixon" tape. I'm not inclined to be so peremptorily dismissive of the possibility. Rape victims, particularly males, are more apt to go into denial about the incident than to shout about it from the rooftops even if they are "loudmouths." A vast number of people who are raped never tell anyone. There is a pathology associated with the PTSD of being raped and Eric shows more signs of suffering from this syndrome than he does of being a "psychopath." That is a simple, clinical fact.

Gustoppoet,
I don't believe this happened but you have started and helped to maintain the best in-depth discussion I've seen on the possibility in a long time.

PaintItBlack wrote:

Gustoppoet,
I don't believe this happened but you have started and helped to maintain the best in-depth discussion I've seen on the possibility in a long time.

I agree. I find the story a little far fetched as well, given the lack of strong evidence rather than just evidence that fits the story but would also fit the other possibility that it was just a normal arrest. I personally don't think the top part of picture drawn by Eric even looks like a rape scene. Though Gustoppoet, you have done a mighty fine job of laying out the evidence so thanks for that.

Do we know the specifics of how the arrest went down?

I had always assumed they were taken in at the same time?

If that's the case - when did Walsh rape Eric? Did he make Dylan wait in the back of the car whilst he fucked Eric in some near by shrubbery? That's what the 'rape drawing' would suggest?

With the public scrutiny of Jeffco in general, I would be surprised if there was a pattern of sexually related police brutality that stayed covered up.

...That being said, sexual assault, and especially male/male sexual assault, is a very under reported crime. Crappy small towns in rural areas are the perfect place for this kind of thing to happen. The sheriff's office has already shown it's ability to cover up and lie for it's own protection also. As recently as 2011, they have destroyed critical evidence regarding the case. Also, there was mention of a male escort ring somewhere. Is there a link to that story or any more info?

What was really on the Basement Tapes? Did the public see the entirety of them? Was there an effort to suppress other writings or recordings that would have given gravity to this theory?

Also, the time frame for the assault would have been doable for Walsh. I'm not saying there is a lot of evidence to support it, but there is opportunity.

I remember Mr. Emmerson said that the "Butt Rape" file came from him, and that it was a misunderstanding.... I'll try to find a link to it.

Here it is

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PaintItBlack wrote:

Gustoppoet,
I don't believe this happened but you have started and helped to maintain the best in-depth discussion I've seen on the possibility in a long time.

Thanks, PaintItBlack. I'm not sure I believe it happened, either. Wish the situation was a bit less ambiguous.

eli27 wrote:

I agree. I find the story a little far fetched as well, given the lack of strong evidence rather than just evidence that fits the story but would also fit the other possibility that it was just a normal arrest. I personally don't think the top part of picture drawn by Eric even looks like a rape scene. Though Gustoppoet, you have done a mighty fine job of laying out the evidence so thanks for that.

Thanks, eli27.

radaddio wrote:

With the public scrutiny of Jeffco in general, I would be surprised if there was a pattern of sexually related police brutality that stayed covered up.

I would think it would be just the opposite. If there was a rape then they let Columbine happen to keep it covered up.

radaddio wrote:

...That being said, sexual assault, and especially male/male sexual assault, is a very under reported crime. Crappy small towns in rural areas are the perfect place for this kind of thing to happen. The sheriff's office has already shown it's ability to cover up and lie for it's own protection also. As recently as 2011, they have destroyed critical evidence regarding the case. Also, there was mention of a male escort ring somewhere. Is there a link to that story or any more info?

What was really on the Basement Tapes? Did the public see the entirety of them? Was there an effort to suppress other writings or recordings that would have given gravity to this theory?

Also, the time frame for the assault would have been doable for Walsh. I'm not saying there is a lot of evidence to support it, but there is opportunity.

Very good points.

deathmedic wrote:

Here it is

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Yes, that is the usual explanation for the file. it does not explain why Eric drew the crime scene pic in the first place. Why didn't Dylan draw one, too? And then there is the article linked a bit further down at that forum about the Arapahoe cops:

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And on and on and on....

meenwhile wrote:

deathmedic wrote:

Here it is

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Unless I'm misunderstanding, he's just saying the .txt file was created by him to locate the drawing better. Eric still drew that picture.

Exactly. Now someone needs to explain why.

Radioactive_Clothing wrote:

If that's the case - when did Walsh rape Eric? Did he make Dylan wait in the back of the car whilst he fucked Eric in some near by shrubbery? That's what the 'rape drawing' would suggest?

That would be the general idea. Here's another thing, why was Walsh following them in the first place? He didn't see them break into the van but he followed them when they parked Eric's car to check out the stuff they stole. What probable cause did he have to stop/question/detain them?

lol wrote:

Regarding the buttrape incident, correct me if I'm wrong but I could've sworn Calence Emerson, or another fellow Columbine researcher reported that the buttrape incident text is a bunch of BS, and it was created by one of their friends, and "Had no idea it was going to blow up that big".

Just want to clarify something here. That txt file was a file I created to take notes on my research into the possibility that any rape incident took place.

Ron Aigner combed my entire server and found every file in every directory, and because this text file was stored in the same directory as the report on Danny R's death, Ron assumed the police created the file.

The reality is that I stored all of my research notes inside the same directories as the reports I was taking notes on. That's how I organized my research. I had text files in every directory. Thousands of them. There is no conspiracy around this. I know people want to believe something else, but that's just not reality. I can't force anyone to believe it, but people like Ron who already have an agenda will take anything they can get their hands on and run with it to prove a point.

If anyone bothered to look at the content of the text file they would see that all it contained were notes about what page to find the sketch Eric drew of the van break in scene and then notes about Ron saying to see it you have to erase this, erase that, turn the page sideways and then you'll see it.

No conspiracy. Just research notes taken out of context to serve Ron's agenda.

It's standard procedure to have someone who has just been arrested for committing a crime to draw their version of what happened. No conspiracy there, either.

You can erase tons of parts of any picture in the world to see what you want to see. I could erase parts of the Mona Lisa and end up with a diagram of a Buddhist prayer wheel. Whatever you look for you will find.

I believe that Sue Klebold mentions this theory in her book but I do not have my copy at hand.

There isn't even any circumstantial evidence. Ron Aigner sifted through my website directories and pulled out a file called walshbuttrape.txt that was used to document Ron's claims. So, he's essentially saying that a document that was created for the purpose of documenting his claims was created by the police.

Never happened. That file was part of my research notes.