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I'm glad she recognizes that and the fact that she's been working so hard to understand the mental background not only of her son but generally of people who struggle with mental illness is beautiful. Although, I don't think her perception of Eric will ever stop irritating(?) me no matter how much love and sympathy I have for her. She seems to dismiss Dylan's homicidal thoughts. It looks like she'll always look at Eric as someone who just took advantage of her son's mental illness & was a leader and mastermind behind this whole event and had dragged her vulnerable and sad kid into his plan. At the end of the day - she's a mom, and I do understand that she might be the type of person who'd prefer a less painful lie than the horrific truth of what was actually going on in her beloved son's mind.
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Considering how much blame she puts on him and that she buys the psychopath bs totally I'm not sure how much a victim she believes he is.Psychopaths are seen by most as basically inhuman.
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I'm glad she recognizes that and the fact that she's been working so hard to understand the mental background not only of her son but generally of people who struggle with mental illness is beautiful. Although, I don't think her perception of Eric will ever stop irritating(?) me no matter how much love and sympathy I have for her. She seems to dismiss Dylan's homicidal thoughts. It looks like she'll always look at Eric as someone who just took advantage of her son's mental illness & was a leader and mastermind behind this whole event and had dragged her vulnerable and sad kid into his plan. At the end of the day - she's a mom, and I do understand that she might be the type of person who'd prefer a less painful lie than the horrific truth of what was actually going on in her beloved son's mind.
So in the long run, how is anything that she's doing (good intentions or not) making any difference at all when it's not based on the whole truth? Mother or not, she needs to fully accept what Dylan was. Dylan was not just some depressed kid who was forced into this. Dylan was thinking of murder for many years, even before he and Eric were close.
I don't believe that Dylan just agreed to this because he was depressed and suicidal anyway. Something else was there. Depressed and suicidal people don't just jump from being depressed and suicidal to wanting to kill hundreds of people. And anyone who has suffered from true suicidal depression will most likely tell you all they wanted was to hurt themselves. With Dylan, it goes way beyond just suicidal depression. And why his own Mother continues to overlook that, I have no idea. Sure, it may be easier to live in denial just to get through day to day life but when you're going public to talk about this, denial shouldn't even be an option anymore. It's now time to own up to what your son did, put just as much blame on him as Eric, not continue to make excuse after excuse. And no saying 'I am the Mother of a murderer' is NOT the same thing as admitting your son could have very well been the one who came up with this idea. That he indeed talked about it way before Eric ever did.
I know this is her son and that she loved him with all her being and that she still loves him with all her being, but her son was not just depressed. He was a cold blooded murderer. And I just feel like if Sue isn't going to start facing the truth and admitting the truth because it's just 'easier' to live your private life in denial, then this should have stayed private, don't let the entire world believe something false just because that's easier for you. She's read Dylan's journal, she knows Dylan talked about killing people before Eric even came into the equation, so WHY keep making out like this was Eric's idea?
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"And I just feel like if Sue isn't going to start facing the truth and admitting the truth because it's just 'easier' to live your private life in denial, then this should have stayed private, don't let the entire world believe something false just because that's easier for you."
This is my whole objection to the book, my huge disappointment in it and why I feel the way about I do. Millions will believe a false picture of the boys and events because his Mother said it.
_________________ We're all going to die, all of us, what a circus; That alone should make us love each other but it doesn't. We are terrorized and flattened by trivialities, we are eaten up by nothing.-Charles Bukowski
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I'm glad she recognizes that and the fact that she's been working so hard to understand the mental background not only of her son but generally of people who struggle with mental illness is beautiful. Although, I don't think her perception of Eric will ever stop irritating(?) me no matter how much love and sympathy I have for her. She seems to dismiss Dylan's homicidal thoughts. It looks like she'll always look at Eric as someone who just took advantage of her son's mental illness & was a leader and mastermind behind this whole event and had dragged her vulnerable and sad kid into his plan. At the end of the day - she's a mom, and I do understand that she might be the type of person who'd prefer a less painful lie than the horrific truth of what was actually going on in her beloved son's mind.
So in the long run, how is anything that she's doing (good intentions or not) making any difference at all when it's not based on the whole truth? Mother or not, she needs to fully accept what Dylan was. Dylan was not just some depressed kid who was forced into this. Dylan was thinking of murder for many years, even before he and Eric were close.
I don't believe that Dylan just agreed to this because he was depressed and suicidal anyway. Something else was there. Depressed and suicidal people don't just jump from being depressed and suicidal to wanting to kill hundreds of people. And anyone who has suffered from true suicidal depression will most likely tell you all they wanted was to hurt themselves. With Dylan, it goes way beyond just suicidal depression. And why his own Mother continues to overlook that, I have no idea. Sure, it may be easier to live in denial just to get through day to day life but when you're going public to talk about this, denial shouldn't even be an option anymore. It's now time to own up to what your son did, put just as much blame on him as Eric, not continue to make excuse after excuse. And no saying 'I am the Mother of a murderer' is NOT the same thing as admitting your son could have very well been the one who came up with this idea. That he indeed talked about it way before Eric ever did.
I know this is her son and that she loved him with all her being and that she still loves him with all her being, but her son was not just depressed. He was a cold blooded murderer. And I just feel like if Sue isn't going to start facing the truth and admitting the truth because it's just 'easier' to live your private life in denial, then this should have stayed private, don't let the entire world believe something false just because that's easier for you. She's read Dylan's journal, she knows Dylan talked about killing people before Eric even came into the equation, so WHY keep making out like this was Eric's idea?
I totally agree. Unfortunately, a lot of this has to do with what the people she has talked to about the case who have analyzed the boys' mentality have told her. The majority of them base their "diagnosis" on their journals, and well.. they shouldn't. I do agree with her with the fact that the depression has played a huge role in this. I don't believe they would had done it if they - both, weren't depressed, misunderstood, and didn't hate themselves. BUT the homicidal part was just as big, and her son truly did desire to kill and die just as much as his friend (which she still hasn't processed). She still lives in denial, maybe because Dylan was so different around the house and overall acted like a good son. It just shows how manipulative and vicious he was.
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Subject: Re: Susan Klebold's Interviews (Index) Wed Dec 21, 2016 6:25 pm
Jenn wrote:
Vii wrote:
I'm glad she recognizes that and the fact that she's been working so hard to understand the mental background not only of her son but generally of people who struggle with mental illness is beautiful. Although, I don't think her perception of Eric will ever stop irritating(?) me no matter how much love and sympathy I have for her. She seems to dismiss Dylan's homicidal thoughts. It looks like she'll always look at Eric as someone who just took advantage of her son's mental illness & was a leader and mastermind behind this whole event and had dragged her vulnerable and sad kid into his plan. At the end of the day - she's a mom, and I do understand that she might be the type of person who'd prefer a less painful lie than the horrific truth of what was actually going on in her beloved son's mind.
So in the long run, how is anything that she's doing (good intentions or not) making any difference at all when it's not based on the whole truth? Mother or not, she needs to fully accept what Dylan was. Dylan was not just some depressed kid who was forced into this. Dylan was thinking of murder for many years, even before he and Eric were close.
I don't believe that Dylan just agreed to this because he was depressed and suicidal anyway. Something else was there. Depressed and suicidal people don't just jump from being depressed and suicidal to wanting to kill hundreds of people. And anyone who has suffered from true suicidal depression will most likely tell you all they wanted was to hurt themselves. With Dylan, it goes way beyond just suicidal depression. And why his own Mother continues to overlook that, I have no idea. Sure, it may be easier to live in denial just to get through day to day life but when you're going public to talk about this, denial shouldn't even be an option anymore. It's now time to own up to what your son did, put just as much blame on him as Eric, not continue to make excuse after excuse. And no saying 'I am the Mother of a murderer' is NOT the same thing as admitting your son could have very well been the one who ca Well,me up with this idea. That he indeed talked about it way before Eric ever did.
I know this is her son and that she loved him with all her being and that she still loves him with all her being, but her son was not just depressed. He was a cold blooded murderer. And I just feel like if Sue isn't going to start facing the truth and admitting the truth because it's just 'easier' to live your private life in denial, then this should have stayed private, don't let the entire world believe something false just because that's easier for you. She's read Dylan's journal, she knows Dylan talked about killing people before Eric even came into the equation, so WHY keep making out like this was Eric's idea?
Well, that was her son. She loved him and still does. She knows the Dylan before all the rage and madness came out which was when he was little. Those fucking bullies ruined him. I DESPISE those type of people!!!
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Subject: Re: Susan Klebold's Interviews (Index) Wed May 17, 2017 2:44 am
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Subject: Re: Susan Klebold's Interviews (Index) Thu May 18, 2017 9:02 pm
One of the things that bothered me most out of all of her interviews is in the interview on 20/20 with Diane Sawyer. She states she confronted Dylan about being so selfish, not doing chores, and reminded him that it was Mother's day and he forgot. During this confrontation with him, she stated she pushed him against the refrigerator. Dylan's response to her was "Mom please don't push me. I don't know how much I can control myself." She goes on to state it wasn't a scary thing. It was just his way of stating to back off. This should have been an eye opening moment for her. If he had so much rage that he might lash out at his own mother, she should have considered then the possibility of him lashing him out at others. This was a point when she should have asked for professional help, regardless of whether Dylan wanted it or not. If she had asked for professional help, maybe someone would have caught on to some signs that she was obviously missing. When this interview was recorded, it was 17 years later and she still could not acknowledge missing some of the most obvious signs that something was seriously wrong with her son.
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Subject: Re: Susan Klebold's Interviews (Index) Fri May 19, 2017 8:11 pm
Very sad interview, anyone who has been studying the case should get teary eyes listening to her talk. The gasp she makes is so powerful when she is asked what she misses about Dylan. Her response about missing Dylan means a lot to me, because for years people have given me grief for being interested in this case and being able to relate to them in some ways, and I hope that they hear this interview and that moment when she talks about him as a human and a person who she loves, then maybe they can finally see it from my point of view that he wasn't some demon from Hell and he was just a guy who had a lot of problems and has a mother that misses him.
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She's read Dylan's journal, she knows Dylan talked about killing people before Eric even came into the equation, so WHY keep making out like this was Eric's idea?
Hey thanks for the PM!
PS: just out of curiosity and because I didn't know about that before, but can you link me to a source for this? I thought they started planning this about 1 year before...
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Subject: Re: Susan Klebold's Interviews (Index) Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:05 am
I wish Eric parents would speak out about how he was at home especially in the weeks or days before and just to understand Eric more. I'm glad Sue was strong enough to talk about Dylan, I can only imagine her impact must change at least one persons life.