Dylan's hard disk

I've found out that Dylan erased his hard disk before the shooting. Is it possible with modern technology to discover what kind of files were in there? And if yes, why they don't do it? Did Eric erase his hard disk too? If not, what was in his computer besides his chat conversation and his survey?

Yes 100% without a doubt we can recover anything he deleted off his HDD now. I doubt they have them still but would be interesting to see.

Probably lots of foot and bondage fetish porn to sift through

Squid wrote:

Probably lots of foot and bondage fetish porn to sift through

LOL, my thoughts exactly.

In my opinion, Eric wanted to leave evidence. He wanted his files and writing to be read and seen. I feel like Dylan wanted the infamy to an extent. However, he wasn't as 'psychopathic' as Eric was, he felt his emotions more. Maybe that's because of his relationship with his parents versus Eric's. I just think Dylan would be too concerned about what his mother would think of his bondage porn etc. Which I know sounds a little ridiculous because that's like saying, hey you can remember me as a murderer but don't you dare see me porn collection. Some how I can understand that rationality though. He was the only one to say goodbye to Mom in the basement tapes.....

Dylan's mom and the world found out about his fetishes anyway because of his diary. So I don't think he was trying to hide his porn collection but it might be one reason. There might be even better reasons why he wiped out his hard disk. Maybe he liked reading Britney spears lyrics or something. But it's known Dylan is intelligent. And I think is very calculated in everything he does. I think everything he did leave behind was meant to be left behind and the clues such as his "wrath" shirt. The things on his computer he didn't want to be remembered by whatever those might be or he wanted people to keep guessing and add to his mystic.

Interesting. And I'm not saying you're wrong. But knowing about porn and then seeing the exact clips he was into/possibly masturbated to are two very different things to consider.

I'm not saying your wrong either. But I guess I'm just hoping there's more than just porn he wanted to hide. But he did seem very guilty when he admitted to liking his fetishes in his diary. So since Eric's hard drive was not wiped out did they find any porn files then lol

I think a person's porn preferences  says  a lot about who they really are.  Forget  the basement tapes....I wanna see their porn files (just kidding)

Freezingmoon wrote:

I think a person's porn preferences  says  a lot about who they really are.  Forget  the basement tapes....I wanna see their porn files (just kidding)

Are you just kidding though?
I think you make a VERY valid point here. The basement tapes is more about the boys acting, putting on a bravado, and the whole artificiality of it, would give you less of an idea of who they really were.

REB10 wrote:

In my opinion, Eric wanted to leave evidence. He wanted his files and writing to be read and seen. I feel like Dylan wanted the infamy to an extent. However, he wasn't as 'psychopathic' as Eric was, he felt his emotions more. Maybe that's because of his relationship with his parents versus Eric's. I just think Dylan would be too concerned about what his mother would think of his bondage porn etc. Which I know sounds a little ridiculous because that's like saying, hey you can remember me as a murderer but don't you dare see me porn collection. Some how I can understand that rationality though. He was the only one to say goodbye to Mom in the basement tapes.....

You forgot to mention how it was Eric who kept bringing up their parents on the Basement Tapes and how he said his parents were good parents and that he felt bad about what this was going to do them. All the while Dylan was babbling on about how it was 'his life' and he'd do what he wanted with it. Eric said he wasn't going to bond with his parents anymore because he thought it would be easier for them once he was gone if he hadn't spent time with them in awhile. Eric was aware that this would destroy them and felt bad about it. From the sounds of things, Dylan didn't.

Jenn wrote:

REB10 wrote:

In my opinion, Eric wanted to leave evidence. He wanted his files and writing to be read and seen. I feel like Dylan wanted the infamy to an extent. However, he wasn't as 'psychopathic' as Eric was, he felt his emotions more. Maybe that's because of his relationship with his parents versus Eric's. I just think Dylan would be too concerned about what his mother would think of his bondage porn etc. Which I know sounds a little ridiculous because that's like saying, hey you can remember me as a murderer but don't you dare see me porn collection. Some how I can understand that rationality though. He was the only one to say goodbye to Mom in the basement tapes.....

You forgot to mention how it was Eric who kept bringing up their parents on the Basement Tapes and how he said his parents were good parents and that he felt bad about what this was going to do them. All the while Dylan was babbling on about how it was 'his life' and he'd do what he wanted with it. Eric said he wasn't going to bond with his parents anymore because he thought it would be easier for them once he was gone if he hadn't spent time with them in awhile. Eric was aware that this would destroy them and felt bad about it. From the sounds of things, Dylan didn't.

No, Dylan does mention it. He says on the tapes, "My parents have been good to me. I don't want to browse there." This is after Eric suggests that both attack their parents on camera.

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When did Eric suggest they attack their parents?
He said"Let's talk about our parents for a minute."
Then he says "My parents might have made some mistakes with me they weren't aware of but they couldn't help it."
The only thing I know that Eric ever said about his parents that was negative is when he complained about having to move so many times, how hard that was on him to constantly have to start over, be at the bottom of the heap and made fun of at each new school."

I don't even consider that to be that bad considering how hard that obviously was on him and how frustrated he was about it for a large portion of his life.

lasttrain wrote:

Jenn wrote:

REB10 wrote:

In my opinion, Eric wanted to leave evidence. He wanted his files and writing to be read and seen. I feel like Dylan wanted the infamy to an extent. However, he wasn't as 'psychopathic' as Eric was, he felt his emotions more. Maybe that's because of his relationship with his parents versus Eric's. I just think Dylan would be too concerned about what his mother would think of his bondage porn etc. Which I know sounds a little ridiculous because that's like saying, hey you can remember me as a murderer but don't you dare see me porn collection. Some how I can understand that rationality though. He was the only one to say goodbye to Mom in the basement tapes.....

You forgot to mention how it was Eric who kept bringing up their parents on the Basement Tapes and how he said his parents were good parents and that he felt bad about what this was going to do them. All the while Dylan was babbling on about how it was 'his life' and he'd do what he wanted with it. Eric said he wasn't going to bond with his parents anymore because he thought it would be easier for them once he was gone if he hadn't spent time with them in awhile. Eric was aware that this would destroy them and felt bad about it. From the sounds of things, Dylan didn't.

No, Dylan does mention it.  He says on the tapes, "My parents have been good to me.  I don't want to browse there." This is after Eric suggests that both attack their parents on camera.

What?!?! This is news to me. Never did Eric suggest they 'attack' their parents. Eric speaks highly of his parents. Why do you constantly make shit up in your head and then go around posting it as if it were the truth. No wonder why so many people are so God damn confused as to what actually happened because people like you come along and just make up stuff that never happened. Show me some proof that Eric Harris suggested that he and Dylan harm their own parents in any way whatsoever.

More to the point; I bet porn in the late 90's just sucked : )

...but yes, you can totally recover something that's been deleted from a hard drive.

radaddio wrote:

More to the point; I bet porn in the late 90's just sucked : )

...but yes, you can totally recover something that's been deleted from a hard drive.

Not if he securely wiped his hard drive using a program which overwrites it with a random sequence of 1s and 0s, making data on the drive unrecoverable. The guy was a computer wiz, it wouldn't surprise me if he had used such a program.

True, unless he just erased a bunch of sensitive stuff and left his comp mostly intact. I don't get the feeling that JEFFCO hd the best and brightest computer forensics team : )

Jenn wrote:

lasttrain wrote:

Jenn wrote:

REB10 wrote:

In my opinion, Eric wanted to leave evidence. He wanted his files and writing to be read and seen. I feel like Dylan wanted the infamy to an extent. However, he wasn't as 'psychopathic' as Eric was, he felt his emotions more. Maybe that's because of his relationship with his parents versus Eric's. I just think Dylan would be too concerned about what his mother would think of his bondage porn etc. Which I know sounds a little ridiculous because that's like saying, hey you can remember me as a murderer but don't you dare see me porn collection. Some how I can understand that rationality though. He was the only one to say goodbye to Mom in the basement tapes.....

You forgot to mention how it was Eric who kept bringing up their parents on the Basement Tapes and how he said his parents were good parents and that he felt bad about what this was going to do them. All the while Dylan was babbling on about how it was 'his life' and he'd do what he wanted with it. Eric said he wasn't going to bond with his parents anymore because he thought it would be easier for them once he was gone if he hadn't spent time with them in awhile. Eric was aware that this would destroy them and felt bad about it. From the sounds of things, Dylan didn't.

No, Dylan does mention it.  He says on the tapes, "My parents have been good to me.  I don't want to browse there." This is after Eric suggests that both attack their parents on camera.

What?!?! This is news to me. Never did Eric suggest they 'attack' their parents. Eric speaks highly of his parents. Why do you constantly make shit up in your head and then go around posting it as if it were the truth. No wonder why so many people are so God damn confused as to what actually happened because people like you come along and just make up stuff that never happened. Show me some proof that Eric Harris suggested that he and Dylan harm their own parents in any way whatsoever.

Yes, indeed, this is the kind of thing that confuses people. I actually have seen a research article (I can find it if someone really wants to see it, or just check Google Scholar), in which the author is very matter-of-fact in saying that E/D abused animals, which is patently false. It's like, where do people get this stuff from, do they just make it up???

You talk about Dylan's porn and how he was fetishist. Where did you exactly get this information in the diary?

elia wrote:

You talk about Dylan's porn and how he was fetishist. Where did you exactly get this information in the diary?

On January 20, 1999 Dylan wrote...

Dylan wrote:

Im forever sorry, infinitely, about the pornos. My humanity has a foot fetish, & bondage exteme liking. i try to thwart it, sometimes to no effect, Yet the masturbation has stopped.

Here is a link to that journal entry.
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Thx

I can't recall, do we have any evidence (journals or otherwise) of Eric talking about pornography? He doesn't really talk too much about sex except in that very vulgar part of his journal where he talks about wanting to have rough sex with some girl or girls in gym class or something like that.

Jenn wrote:

lasttrain wrote:

Jenn wrote:

REB10 wrote:

In my opinion, Eric wanted to leave evidence. He wanted his files and writing to be read and seen. I feel like Dylan wanted the infamy to an extent. However, he wasn't as 'psychopathic' as Eric was, he felt his emotions more. Maybe that's because of his relationship with his parents versus Eric's. I just think Dylan would be too concerned about what his mother would think of his bondage porn etc. Which I know sounds a little ridiculous because that's like saying, hey you can remember me as a murderer but don't you dare see me porn collection. Some how I can understand that rationality though. He was the only one to say goodbye to Mom in the basement tapes.....

You forgot to mention how it was Eric who kept bringing up their parents on the Basement Tapes and how he said his parents were good parents and that he felt bad about what this was going to do them. All the while Dylan was babbling on about how it was 'his life' and he'd do what he wanted with it. Eric said he wasn't going to bond with his parents anymore because he thought it would be easier for them once he was gone if he hadn't spent time with them in awhile. Eric was aware that this would destroy them and felt bad about it. From the sounds of things, Dylan didn't.

No, Dylan does mention it.  He says on the tapes, "My parents have been good to me.  I don't want to browse there." This is after Eric suggests that both attack their parents on camera.

What?!?! This is news to me. Never did Eric suggest they 'attack' their parents. Eric speaks highly of his parents. Why do you constantly make shit up in your head and then go around posting it as if it were the truth. No wonder why so many people are so God damn confused as to what actually happened because people like you come along and just make up stuff that never happened. Show me some proof that Eric Harris suggested that he and Dylan harm their own parents in any way whatsoever.

I said "attack their parents on camera," meaning criticize them on camera.  Read the foregoing conversation again--we are obviously talking about verbal assaults on camera.

And I am not making anything up--this is exactly what Eric did.  He tried to solicit attacks on the parents from Dylan and Dylan refused to do it. Three people who saw the Basement Tapes claim this happened:

Sue Klebold: "Eric suggests they say something about their parents. At that, Dylan looks down at this fingernails and says, almost inaudibly, "My parents have been good to me" (136).

Nancy Gibbs and Timothy Roche reported in TIME Magazine that Dylan "except[ed] . . . his parents" from his criticisms of his extended family.

Jenn, you claimed "Eric was aware that this would destroy them and felt bad about it. From the sounds of things, Dylan didn't."

That is obviously false. Here are citations to work by people who've seen the tapes.

In addition to the reporting by Sue Klebold, Nancy Gibbs, and Timothy Roche, the Rocky Mountain News reported that Dylan "gr[ew] somber" when his mother was mentioned and said his parents were "great."

Psychologist John Dicke reported that both "seem to be so aware of what their parents are going to think and how they are going to hurt them"--that includes Dylan.

Denver Post reports Klebold as saying he has "always loved" his parents.

So you are wrong to say that "Dylan didn't" acknowledge the effect on his parents. There is ample evidence from people who have seen the tapes that he did.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], Eric did not say 'Let's talk about our parents for a second' as in wanting to 'verbally attack them on camera'. He went on to say his parents were good parents and that they may have made a few mistakes they weren't aware of.

And Sue Klebold is hardly a witness. She is biased because it is her son. And I can make my own decision. These 'psychologists' spend a whole what? Few months on this case and then decide they can diagnosis 2 dead teenagers? I'm not buying it.

Dylan was bitter towards his parents in his journal, bitter towards his family in the Basement Tapes, a few days before the shooting, Dylan went to his Mother telling her how much she could trust him (a very cruel trick, in my opinion) and Dylan also said it was his life and he'd do whatever he wanted with his life. Does that sound like someone who is taking his parents into consideration? I don't think so.

ThoughtBox wrote:

I can't recall, do we have any evidence (journals or otherwise) of Eric talking about pornography? He doesn't really talk too much about sex except in that very vulgar part of his journal where he talks about wanting to have rough sex with some girl or girls in gym class or something like that.

No, there has never been any mention or any evidence that I'm aware of that indicates Eric had porn on his computer or in his room. He did not talk about porn or sexual obsessions in his journal. The most he says is that he 'can't get laid'. He mentions that a few times and as you mentioned, the stuff about bringing girls into his room. Which I believe was all talk because he did have a girl in his room on prom night and never tried to force himself on her or harm her in any way whatsoever. In fact, I believe she went on to write a letter to him after he was dead saying how much she liked him (I don't know for sure what the letter said, but it was something along those lines). He even mentioned this girl in the goodbye message as well.

Susan DeWitt's letter to Eric:

Eric David Harris,

I didn’t know the person hiding under your smile. I didn’t know about the pain you carried in your heart. I didn’t know the torture you endured for so long. And I didn’t want to believe you were capable of such destruction. I didn’t know I could feel such pain for someone I really didn’t know. If I knew what your eyes hid, and what your mind was screaming, maybe I could have helped you. I could have loved you. All I know is the pain I am feeling inside. All I know is the person I talked to everyday, the person who seemed happy, the person who always helped me and made sure I had everything I needed. I see your picture on the pages, they say what a monster you are, they say how you were mean and cruel. But you see, I can’t believe what they say. I knew the smiling person, the person who helped me. I don’t want to hear it anymore. I want it to go away, the angry cries well up in me and I hate you for making me so scared and sad. Leaving me without any explanation. Leaving me with wandering thoughts and hollow cries. Did you try and reach me? Did you try to tell me? I will live with the memories and the unanswered questions I hold in my heart. Not a day will go by that I will not wonder why. As times goes by, I am getting stronger, but then the moment comes when I break down and cry. I am so sorry I didn’t see the rage you had inside. I am sorry I was so blind and couldn’t see all the things you tried to show me. No matter how wrong you were, I will love the person who smiled and said “Hi” to me everyday. I promise to never forget the person I knew, and forget the person they say you were.

Love Always and Forever,

Susan DeWitt

Jenn wrote:

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], Eric did not say 'Let's talk about our parents for a second' as in wanting to 'verbally attack them on camera'. He went on to say his parents were good parents and that they may have made a few mistakes they weren't aware of.

And Sue Klebold is hardly a witness. She is biased because it is her son. And I can make my own decision. These 'psychologists' spend a whole what? Few months on this case and then decide they can diagnosis 2 dead teenagers? I'm not buying it.

Dylan was bitter towards his parents in his journal, bitter towards his family in the Basement Tapes, a few days before the shooting, Dylan went to his Mother telling her how much she could trust him (a very cruel trick, in my opinion) and Dylan also said it was his life and he'd do whatever he wanted with his life. Does that sound like someone who is taking his parents into consideration? I don't think so.

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I agree.Looking back I feel foolish to have expected anything else from a Mother, but I can't help but wish that if Sue wasn't able to give a more accurate picture of her son and his role in the events, that she would have not written the book.
Now millions ,some of whom have not even read Cullen's book,will come away with an inaccurate picture of who the boys were and the dynamic between them.It's a good thing that the book raises sympathy for Dylan and makes people look at him as a person outside of what he did but that can only be achieved with the total demonizing of Eric which I can never agree with or condone.
I can't help but feel that Dylan wouldn't agree with or approve of that either as Eric was his best friend.