Depression + narcissistic disorder

After i occupy myself with the journals of D and E and after I have read a lot of topics about various mental disorders, I would conclude that BOTH (D and E) had not just a depression but also a narcisstic disorder. Because a killing spree would not just come from an depression disorder alone. I mean, there are a many people out there with a depression disorder but the majority of them would not go to get „amok“.
One of the cardinal symptom of an narcisstic disorder is the very famous „God complex“.....yes the journals....you know what I mean.

Have you ever read Langman?

Oh I just saw not everything I wrote was posted.....

No but I just googled him. Did you mean Dr. Peter Langman the psychologist?

I wonder if their narcissism was a product of their alienation or if it started developing before.

It doesn't seem to be there when Eric lived in plattsburgh.

I wonder this because I find it hard to tell whether all these psychological diagnoses are really or should really be labeled onto people if the criteria of them is only met under very specific circumstances.

munchkinphone wrote:

I wonder if their narcissism was a product of their alienation or if it started developing before.

It doesn't seem to be there when Eric lived in plattsburgh.

I wonder this because I find it hard to tell whether all these psychological diagnoses are really or should really be labeled onto people if the criteria of them is only met under very specific circumstances.

I think it could. If you keep feeling and being told how different you are for so long you can start feeling like scum or feel superior, different and much more special.

Possible unpopular opinion. I think Dylan pumped up Eric’s narcissism.

Who started talking about self awareness first? Dylan, who started talking about being godlike first? .Dylan

AIR wrote:

Oh I just saw not everything I wrote was posted.....

No but I just googled him. Did you mean Dr. Peter Langman the psychologist?

I did. I was wondering your stance on what he thinks. You should take a look at his website and workups on Columbine.
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I don't think Eric had depression in the traditional sense. Dylan maybe, but I'm not sure. After all, suicidal tendencies are not born from depression alone.

QuestionMark wrote:

I don't think Eric had depression in the traditional sense. Dylan maybe, but I'm not sure. After all, suicidal tendencies are not born from depression alone.

I do think Eric had some depression. I think it was over shadowed by some of his other feelings but I think he hated the way he looked and how he was treated and longed for better. I think his anger was a secondary emotion caused by being very sad

I agree with Lizpuff. I think Eric was suffering from depression. He just chose to express/hide it mostly with anger.  Although some of his journal entries towards the end showed his true sadness.

I know I'm probably not the only one here who thinks the "we are Gods" thing was mainly trumped up to help them both mask just how inferior they actually felt.

From their view point it was better to pretend to be Gods in control of everything, then be just another loser lost in the crowd that had very little control over their own life.

Lizpuff wrote:

I think it was over shadowed by some of his other feelings but I think he hated the way he looked and how he was treated and longed for better. 

I agree with you on this but I have to disagree that what you're describing is depression.

QuestionMark wrote:

Lizpuff wrote:

I think it was over shadowed by some of his other feelings but I think he hated the way he looked and how he was treated and longed for better. 

I agree with you on this but I have to disagree that what you're describing is depression.

IDK Eric seemed very angry and my whole thinking is just that it was a result of him feeling inadequate, scared, vulnerable, sad, frustration and multiple other emotions he didn't want to show bc he didnt want to seem weak.

I think a lot of seemingly very angry people are depressed. Depression isn't all "oh I want to kill myself bc I am so sad" Some may think that but there are many different kinds and many different ways to show depression

Lizpuff wrote:

QuestionMark wrote:

Lizpuff wrote:

I think it was over shadowed by some of his other feelings but I think he hated the way he looked and how he was treated and longed for better. 

I agree with you on this but I have to disagree that what you're describing is depression.

IDK  Eric seemed very angry and my whole thinking is just that it was a result of him feeling inadequate, scared, vulnerable, sad, frustration and multiple other emotions he didn't want to show bc he didnt want to seem weak.  

I think a lot of seemingly very angry people are depressed.  Depression isn't all "oh I want to kill myself bc I am so sad"  Some may think that but there are many different kinds and many different ways to show depression

Agreed. Dylan was the "oh I want to kill myself SO bad right now" lamenting type, while Eric was likely more of the drown the feelings in rage type.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Lizpuff wrote:

QuestionMark wrote:

Lizpuff wrote:

I think it was over shadowed by some of his other feelings but I think he hated the way he looked and how he was treated and longed for better. 

I agree with you on this but I have to disagree that what you're describing is depression.

IDK  Eric seemed very angry and my whole thinking is just that it was a result of him feeling inadequate, scared, vulnerable, sad, frustration and multiple other emotions he didn't want to show bc he didnt want to seem weak.  

I think a lot of seemingly very angry people are depressed.  Depression isn't all "oh I want to kill myself bc I am so sad"  Some may think that but there are many different kinds and many different ways to show depression

Agreed. Dylan was the "oh I want to kill myself SO bad right now" lamenting type, while Eric was likely more of the drown the feelings in rage type.

I think people don’t want to look at what’s the uglier and more dangerous side of mental illness. It’s not stigmatizing it if we look at the fact that it can manifest in different ways. Let me to paraphrase Sue she said depressed teenagers would be a lot easier to deal with if they looked like the kids in the pamphlet. Just wistful looking kids who are like “I’m really sad.”

I agree with Lizpuff. There are not just that stereotype of depression that is mainly named (in the media). I would suggest, Dylan was that kind of depressed stereotype kid. But I thing also Erics aggressions are justified of his unsatisfied needs. He wanted to perceived as „a real man“. And in his mind that means also don’t show weakness be strong. Expecially when your dad is a member of Air Force, which is the cliched type of „being a man“.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]: I just bought the book of Langman, thanks for the mention!

Screamingophelia wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Lizpuff wrote:

QuestionMark wrote:

Lizpuff wrote:

I think it was over shadowed by some of his other feelings but I think he hated the way he looked and how he was treated and longed for better. 

I agree with you on this but I have to disagree that what you're describing is depression.

IDK  Eric seemed very angry and my whole thinking is just that it was a result of him feeling inadequate, scared, vulnerable, sad, frustration and multiple other emotions he didn't want to show bc he didnt want to seem weak.  

I think a lot of seemingly very angry people are depressed.  Depression isn't all "oh I want to kill myself bc I am so sad"  Some may think that but there are many different kinds and many different ways to show depression

Agreed. Dylan was the "oh I want to kill myself SO bad right now" lamenting type, while Eric was likely more of the drown the feelings in rage type.

I think people don’t want to look at what’s the uglier and more dangerous side of mental illness. It’s not stigmatizing  it if we look at the fact that it can manifest in different ways. Let me to paraphrase Sue she said depressed teenagers would be a lot easier to deal with if they looked like the kids in the pamphlet. Just wistful looking kids who are like “I’m really sad.”

Very true. Sadly a lot of people struggling with depression are the people who you would least expect it from. They are the ones who seem like they have their shit together, all their ducks swimming in a neat row, etc. But really they are just like the rest of us barely holding it together. Although some are more skilled at hiding it then others. Dylan was a prime example of that.

Hell my ducks aren't even in the same pond, much less swimming together.

I also want to refer, that a psychologial dissorder seldom comes alone. Mostly its an interaction of various.

PS: Sorry for my bad english!

Screamingophelia wrote:

munchkinphone wrote:

I wonder if their narcissism was a product of their alienation or if it started developing before.

It doesn't seem to be there when Eric lived in plattsburgh.

I wonder this because I find it hard to tell whether all these psychological diagnoses are really or should really be labeled onto people if the criteria of them is only met under very specific circumstances.

I think it could. If you keep feeling and being told how different you are for so long you can start feeling like scum or feel superior, different and much more special.

Possible unpopular opinion. I think Dylan pumped up Eric’s narcissism.

Who started talking about self awareness first? Dylan, who started talking about being godlike first? .Dylan

I feel like Dylan fed his own depression because after a while he saw it as a strength to not care about anything. I feel like Eric instead always had contempt towards his depression and projected his negative emotions onto others to get rid of it.

I think to Eric Dylan appeared confident in his negative emotions and Eric wanted to have that confidence as well. So yeah, I agree that Dylan pumped up Eric's narcissism.. the question is whether he did it consciously or not

AIR wrote:

I agree with Lizpuff. There are not just that stereotype of depression that is mainly named (in the media). I would suggest, Dylan was that kind of depressed stereotype kid. But I thing also  Erics aggressions are justified of his unsatisfied needs. He wanted to perceived as „a real man“. And in his mind that means also don’t show weakness be strong. Expecially when your dad is a member of Air Force, which is the cliched type of „being a man“.

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I hope you enjoy it. Depending on which copy you bought, there are many things you can learn

Symptoms of agitated depression include:

extreme irritability, like snapping at friends and family, or being annoyed at small things
anger
agitation
fidgeting
racing thoughts and incessant talking
restlessness
pacing
hand-wringing
nail-biting
outbursts of complaining or shouting
pulling at clothes or hair
picking at skin

Ericishuman wrote:

Symptoms of agitated depression include:

extreme irritability, like snapping at friends and family, or being annoyed at small things
anger
agitation
fidgeting
racing thoughts and incessant talking
restlessness
pacing
hand-wringing
nail-biting
outbursts of complaining or shouting
pulling at clothes or hair
picking at skin

Did you get this from some real kind of diagnose or did you just watch Eric in columbine and observe his behaviour?

I got this from the internet. It's a real diagnosis

Ericishuman wrote:

I got this from the internet. It's a real diagnosis

theres like 10 other disorders with very similar symptoms, i doubt he has that

Well that's my opinion

QuestionMark wrote:

Ericishuman wrote:

I got this from the internet. It's a real diagnosis

according to webMD i have brain cancer

dont take what you read on the internet seriously kids

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] So I won't take anything you say seriously from now on. I have that kind of depression myself!! Not all depression looks the fucking same.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] please stop replying to my posts. I don't want anything to do with you

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Article on various types of depression

I thought we are ALL allowed to have an opinion on what was wrong with the boys? Or is there some unspoken rule on this
Forum that only some people can have opinions? Please tell me so I can immediately delete my account

Ericishuman wrote:

I thought we are ALL allowed to have an opinion on what was wrong with the  boys? Or is there some unspoken rule on this
Forum that only some people can have opinions? Please tell me so I can immediately delete my account

lmao calm down dude.

QuestionMark wrote:

Ericishuman wrote:

I thought we are ALL allowed to have an opinion on what was wrong with the  boys? Or is there some unspoken rule on this
Forum that only some people can have opinions? Please tell me so I can immediately delete my account

lmao calm down dude.

Yeah for real, fucking calm down. From what I saw man you were the one making the issue, you don't gotta get shitty over it though.

Population Control wrote:

QuestionMark wrote:

Ericishuman wrote:

I thought we are ALL allowed to have an opinion on what was wrong with the  boys? Or is there some unspoken rule on this
Forum that only some people can have opinions? Please tell me so I can immediately delete my account

lmao calm down dude.

Yeah for real, fucking calm down. From what I saw man you were the one making the issue, you don't gotta get shitty over it though.

He tried to add to the discussion. I can understand why he didn't appreciate being mocked even if threatening to delete his account in response was extreme.

sscc wrote:

He tried to add to the discussion. I can understand why he didn't appreciate being mocked even if threatening to delete his account in response was extreme.

I can understand if he doesn't want to be made fun of but he had a meltdown over a minor disagreement.