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Subject: Re: Jokela School Massacre Sun Sep 16, 2018 7:45 am
I wonder what Pekka would of thought of Saari?
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Subject: Re: Jokela School Massacre Sun Sep 16, 2018 2:59 pm
Tommy QTR wrote:
I wonder what Pekka would of thought of Saari?
I think he would have liked him, he did thought that maybe he would have copycats/followers of his own
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Subject: Re: Jokela School Massacre Sun Sep 16, 2018 3:58 pm
Pekka would have liked Matti Saari for continuing his revolution, where can Matti's manifesto be found?
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Subject: Re: Jokela School Massacre Sun Sep 16, 2018 4:13 pm
Ziamber II wrote:
Pekka would have liked Matti Saari for continuing his revolution, where can Matti's manifesto be found?
The notes found in dorm room have never been released, the only thing we know from them is that he hated mankind and had planned the shooting for 6 years.
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Subject: Re: Jokela School Massacre Sun Sep 16, 2018 11:38 pm
Ziamber II wrote:
I believe that if he had waited and spent years planning, he could have committed an attack to rival Anders Brievik.
i wonder what he would have thought of Breivik, he did upload videos on terrorist attacks after all
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Subject: Re: Jokela School Massacre Sun Sep 16, 2018 11:39 pm
Ziamber II wrote:
Pekka would have liked Matti Saari for continuing his revolution, where can Matti's manifesto be found?
Technically It was Eric Harris for starting it
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Subject: Re: Jokela School Massacre Fri Sep 28, 2018 1:25 am
As some of you may know based on this thread, Pekka was interested in Terrorist attacks, heres a list of terrorist attacks he took interest in based on his YouTube videos:
"September 11th 2001 - The Final Days Of The Twin Towers" "2002, Moscow Theater Siege" "Freedom! - Timothy McVeigh" 2004 Beslan School Siege
Thats all I know about for now, If anyone else know any other examples or info on this post them here
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Subject: Re: Jokela School Massacre Sat Oct 12, 2019 11:48 pm
QuestionMark wrote:
Ziamber II wrote:
Finland hasn't had a Mass Shooting for almost 10 years now, gun control must be working.
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Subject: Re: Jokela School Massacre Sun Oct 13, 2019 6:30 am
Ziamber II wrote:
Finland hasn't had a Mass Shooting for almost 10 years now, gun control must be working.
Gun control? Actually, it's still very easy to get a gun in Finland. If you don't have a criminal record or known anger management problems and you have a valid reason (like hunting or target practise), you can just ask the police for permission and they have to give it.
Finland's latest mass shooting occurred in 2016 and a mass school stabbing occurred earlier this month. Many foreigners mostly know Finland for its mass shootings. There are deadly shootings in Finland almost every month.
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Subject: Re: Jokela School Massacre Sun Oct 13, 2019 6:37 am
Tommy QTR wrote:
Did Pekka know about Seung-Hui Cho?
Pekka apparently cheered when he heard about the Virginia Tech massacre and he clearly took inspiration from Cho.
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Subject: Re: Jokela School Massacre Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:30 pm
I found a couple of articles about Jokela that people interested in the shooting might want to look at. They're here: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
One discusses the videos Pekka made and the role music played for him - also relates some to Columbine. The other is a chapter from a book that looks at the social roots of the shooting - failed attempts by Pekka's family to get him help, his isolation, and uses a two-part survey and interviews with local residents about Pekka and the massacre.
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Subject: Re: Jokela School Massacre Thu Feb 06, 2020 10:10 am
One must be truly mentally deranged to worship those two. I dont get how one does that. But Im truly happy that school shootings and terrorism happens extremely rarely. Good God, yes
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Subject: Re: Jokela School Massacre Sat Apr 16, 2022 7:22 am
"In the best case, this (attack) would create massive destruction and chaos, or even a revolution," read one diary entry. "In any case, I want this to be remembered forever. Maybe I'll even have a follower; after all, I am a super-person, almost God." Another revealed he intended to "kill as many of you bastards as possible". His diary also reveals he was aware he would be dead by the end of the attack.
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Subject: Re: Jokela School Massacre Sat Apr 16, 2022 2:45 pm
adastra wrote:
I found a couple of articles about Jokela that people interested in the shooting might want to look at. They're here: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
One discusses the videos Pekka made and the role music played for him - also relates some to Columbine. The other is a chapter from a book that looks at the social roots of the shooting - failed attempts by Pekka's family to get him help, his isolation, and uses a two-part survey and interviews with local residents about Pekka and the massacre.
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Subject: Re: Jokela School Massacre Sat Apr 08, 2023 6:25 am
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Ziamber II wrote: Pekka Eric Auvinen was in contact with Matti Saari.
I thought that wasnt true? didnt the police say they found no evidence of it? also do you know if theres a screenshot of matti saaris battlefield 2 profile?
This is general understanding, and what police eventually said. I've been once again through old papers right at the time of shooting, and this one is quite shocking; there was news article two days after Kauhajoki massacre which said multiple people were certain that they planned their actions together, they were on same Battlefield team and that there was eye witness who has the messages between Pekka-Eric and Matti on Matti's ex-girlfriends PC. Have this ever been explained?
Translated in english:
Matti Saari and Pekka-Eric Auvinen exchanged ideas and played a war game together.
Matti Juhani Saari, the suspect in the Kauhajoki school shooting, didn't just idolize Pekka-Eric Auvinen - he also kept in touch with his role model.
"Yes, these actions seem so similar that I would consider it a miracle if something in common could not be found", confirms Neulaniemi, the head of the investigation. He considers it very likely that the school shooters kept in touch online.
Ville (name changed), who actively plays various war and fighting games online, says that he knows for sure that there was an exchange of ideas between the Jokela school killer Pekka-Eric Auvinen and the Kauhajoki killer Matti Saari. Both killers were playing a war game called Battlefield 2 on the internet and belonged to the same team.
“I suppose they must have known each other. Members of the same team communicate a lot with each other in the game," says Ville.
"I was familiar with their team, so I remember the names of both Auvinen and Saari from the team's website," continues Ville.
After the bloodshed, Auvinen's profile was removed from the lists of the Battlefield 2 game. Now Saari's account has also been deleted.
"Many members of the same gaming team also talk to each other in their free time using Messenger, on the team's website or through a headset," explains Ville.
According to STT's information, Saari also bought his gun from Jokela - the same store as Auvinen.
The old classmate of the shooter's ex-girlfriend, on the other hand, says in Nelonen's interview that Saari and Auvinen planned their act together. According to the source, the killers sent each other messages that are still stored on the ex-girlfriend's computer.
"My friend has told me that the messages often say "let's do it together". If one fails, the other continues. If I can't succeed, you will certainly succeed", the young woman describes the content of the messages to Nelonen.
According to the woman, her friend and Saari broke up after the Jokela school shooting.
“This girl has seen all the messages these people have exchanged with each other. The Jokela case led to the end of the relationship," he says.
The woman met Saari several times. They partied together and got along well until the shooter found out that the woman was of foreign origin. "Then he didn't even want me to be in the group."
“He didn't threaten with violence, but I was scared a few times when he swung his fist. He got angry easily whenever I said something," the source says in Nelonen's interview yesterday.
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Subject: Re: Jokela School Massacre Thu Aug 03, 2023 4:21 pm
Jokela is the saddest shooting for me because Pekka could have somehow caused a 'revolution against the system ' by other means had he not gone ahead with his original plan.
Subject: Re: Jokela School Massacre 
Sun Sep 16, 2018 7:45 am
