Differences between mass shooters who commit suicide and those who don´t?

What do you guys think is the key differences between the mass shooters/school shooters who kill themselves and those who don´t?

I think it depends on the shooter, politically motivated shooters like Breivik didn't commit suicide in order to get a platform to express their ideas, there are also shooters who didn't have the courage to kill themselves or were prevented from doing so. I believe there are two types of shooter who commit suicide, those who are extremely depressed and suicidal (e.g. Jeff Weise, Richard Durn, Steven Kazmierczak) and those who commit suicide as the only way to escape justice (e.g. Thomas Hamilton).

Some Shooters didn't have the courage to become An Hero, like Dimitrious Pegorchiz, Micheal Ryan said he didn't but he did. Some tried to escape, like Dylannn Roof and i think Martin Bryant was trying to cause a distraction when he set the fire at Seascape.

I always imagined that i wouldn't have the courage to become An Hero.

Tommy QTR wrote:

I think it depends on the shooter, politically motivated shooters like Breivik didn't commit suicide in order to get a platform to express their ideas, there are also shooters who didn't have the courage to kill themselves or were prevented from doing so. I believe there are two types of shooter who commit suicide, those who are extremely depressed and suicidal (e.g. Jeff Weise, Richard Durn, Steven Kazmierczak) and those who commit suicide as the only way to escape justice (e.g. Thomas Hamilton).

I’m with you on that.

Murder suicide is usually the case in domestic violence situations but mass murder/suicide is a lot more rare.

Do you think we are getting less suicide because of the media portrayal of the shooters after Columbine?

They think staying alive... they could have the fame and they can have that notoriety?

Even though Tommy is right about Breivik, I'm also pretty sure he didn't an hero because he gets to spend the rest of his life in three hotel-tier (or better) rooms.

Screamingophelia wrote:

Tommy QTR wrote:

I think it depends on the shooter, politically motivated shooters like Breivik didn't commit suicide in order to get a platform to express their ideas, there are also shooters who didn't have the courage to kill themselves or were prevented from doing so. I believe there are two types of shooter who commit suicide, those who are extremely depressed and suicidal (e.g. Jeff Weise, Richard Durn, Steven Kazmierczak) and those who commit suicide as the only way to escape justice (e.g. Thomas Hamilton).

I’m with you on that.

Murder suicide is usually the case in domestic violence situations but mass murder/suicide is a lot more rare.

Do you think we are getting less suicide because of the media portrayal  of the shooters after Columbine?

They think staying alive... they could have the fame  and they can have that notoriety?

Perhaps, I really think it depends on the individual, take TJ Lane for example, he clearly basked in the fame and notoriety that his shooting got him, and wanted more of it which explains his behaviour in court. I also think there are shooters who believe committing suicide will get them notoriety, that there will be a certain mystique about their crime and how no one will truly no why they did it, like with Columbine.

Tommy QTR wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

Tommy QTR wrote:

I think it depends on the shooter, politically motivated shooters like Breivik didn't commit suicide in order to get a platform to express their ideas, there are also shooters who didn't have the courage to kill themselves or were prevented from doing so. I believe there are two types of shooter who commit suicide, those who are extremely depressed and suicidal (e.g. Jeff Weise, Richard Durn, Steven Kazmierczak) and those who commit suicide as the only way to escape justice (e.g. Thomas Hamilton).

I’m with you on that.

Murder suicide is usually the case in domestic violence situations but mass murder/suicide is a lot more rare.

Do you think we are getting less suicide because of the media portrayal  of the shooters after Columbine?

They think staying alive... they could have the fame  and they can have that notoriety?

Perhaps, I really think it depends on the individual, take TJ Lane for example, he clearly basked in the fame and notoriety that his shooting got him, and wanted more of it which explains his behaviour in court. I also think there are shooters who believe committing suicide will get them notoriety, that there will be a certain mystique about their crime and how no one will truly no why they did it, like with Columbine.

I don't know if any other school shooters have been picked apart as much as Eric and Dylan have been and for so long.

They predicted it too, which is eerie.

Screamingophelia wrote:

Tommy QTR wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

Tommy QTR wrote:

I think it depends on the shooter, politically motivated shooters like Breivik didn't commit suicide in order to get a platform to express their ideas, there are also shooters who didn't have the courage to kill themselves or were prevented from doing so. I believe there are two types of shooter who commit suicide, those who are extremely depressed and suicidal (e.g. Jeff Weise, Richard Durn, Steven Kazmierczak) and those who commit suicide as the only way to escape justice (e.g. Thomas Hamilton).

I’m with you on that.

Murder suicide is usually the case in domestic violence situations but mass murder/suicide is a lot more rare.

Do you think we are getting less suicide because of the media portrayal  of the shooters after Columbine?

They think staying alive... they could have the fame  and they can have that notoriety?

Perhaps, I really think it depends on the individual, take TJ Lane for example, he clearly basked in the fame and notoriety that his shooting got him, and wanted more of it which explains his behaviour in court. I also think there are shooters who believe committing suicide will get them notoriety, that there will be a certain mystique about their crime and how no one will truly no why they did it, like with Columbine.

I don't know if any other school shooters have been picked apart as much as Eric and Dylan have been and for so long.

They predicted it too, which is eerie.

Yes that's why I think there's so many copycats, they see how ingrained Columbine has become in society and try to repeat as best as they can in hopes of getting the infamy and remembrance that Eric and Dylan have.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] What about Charles Whitman?

Also, the only reason mass murder-suicide is rarer than murder-suicide is because there are fewer mass murderers. A very large amount of mass murderers (I'm guessing maybe 25-50%) die in their attacks.

NSAhoneypot wrote:

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] What about Charles Whitman?

Also, the only reason mass murder-suicide is rarer than murder-suicide is because there are fewer mass murderers. A very large amount of mass murderers (I'm guessing maybe 25-50%) die in their attacks.

That’s a good point. I didn’t think about him.

I guess because most of them hesitate to pull the trigger on themselves like Cruz, he doesn't want to die. Most shooters prefer to die because they don't want to stay in jail and suffer the consequences of their actions. Shooters who commit suicide are usually depressed.

Anders Brievik was preparing to commit suicide but he didn't when he realised he needed to live for his manifesto. I think Brenton Tarrant had the same plan on living for his manifesto.