Friends

I have been thinking. I’m not talking about social status or whether or not people think Eric was popular with the ladies or not. I’m kind of looking at what Dylan wrote in his journal at one point. About how he sees people having friends and lives and being “normal”

Depression is a beast and it can definitely skew your thoughts. On the outside it definitely looks like at the very least Dylan had a strong group of friends outside of Eric. Eric also seemed to have people that liked him like Chris, Susan and Kristi.

Did they both feel so alienated that they didn’t look at these core group of people as their friends anymore. It would seem surprising that they would want to be friends with the jocks and the athletes in the first place because they didn’t really have the same interests.... Did they think their friends weren’t good enough or do you think they felt so alienated from them that there was no connection with them anymore...

There had to have been a point towards the end where the friendships were more surface level. You really have to let go of any feelings in order to commit a massacre like this.

Both Dylan and Eric definitely reached a point where they didn't see these people as close friends anymore. They were willing to kill them along with the rest of the school using the bombs. Of course, we know these failed. I know Eric and Dylan mentioned something about their friends possibly being "in the line of fire" during the massacre. If they cared about any of these friends (or the friendships were anything more than surface level near the end), I think they would have warned that person. And maybe that's why they pushed everyone away... Eric and Dylan didn't trust any of their old friends to keep their secret.

hvernon wrote:

Both Dylan and Eric definitely reached a point where they didn't see these people as close friends anymore. They were willing to kill them along with the rest of the school using the bombs. Of course, we know these failed. I know Eric and Dylan mentioned something about their friends possibly being "in the line of fire" during the massacre. If they cared about any of these friends (or the friendships were anything more than surface level near the end), I think they would have warned that person. And maybe that's why they pushed everyone away... Eric and Dylan didn't trust any of their old friends to keep their secret.

I agree.


Dylan spoke to Zach the night before. Zach of all people.... and nothing.

Screamingophelia wrote:

hvernon wrote:

Both Dylan and Eric definitely reached a point where they didn't see these people as close friends anymore. They were willing to kill them along with the rest of the school using the bombs. Of course, we know these failed. I know Eric and Dylan mentioned something about their friends possibly being "in the line of fire" during the massacre. If they cared about any of these friends (or the friendships were anything more than surface level near the end), I think they would have warned that person. And maybe that's why they pushed everyone away... Eric and Dylan didn't trust any of their old friends to keep their secret.

I agree.


Dylan spoke to Zach the night before. Zach of all people.... and nothing.

Did Zach ever talk about how Dylans mannerisms the night before the massacre and if he seemed to be upset or in good spirits?

bradt93 wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

I agree.


Dylan spoke to Zach the night before. Zach of all people.... and nothing.

Did Zach ever talk about how Dylans mannerisms the night before the massacre and if he seemed to be upset or in good spirits?

Zach (10764) and his sister (1451) talking about the night before.
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I think by the end of their lives they were so far gone and were so disconnected from reality that they truly didn’t care about anything.

Perhaps I’m a sad sack and too much of a bleeding heart but I do feel a lot of compassion for both Eric and Dylan, not just for their victims. It’s just so sad they blocked off all of their emotions and wouldn’t let anyone in. Perhaps it’s because there was a pretty big chunk of my life where I knew exactly what that felt like. ‍� And it’s really sad to think about what they could have become, to see the kind of lives where they found true happiness.

hvernon wrote:

Both Dylan and Eric definitely reached a point where they didn't see these people as close friends anymore. They were willing to kill them along with the rest of the school using the bombs. Of course, we know these failed. I know Eric and Dylan mentioned something about their friends possibly being "in the line of fire" during the massacre. If they cared about any of these friends (or the friendships were anything more than surface level near the end), I think they would have warned that person. And maybe that's why they pushed everyone away... Eric and Dylan didn't trust any of their old friends to keep their secret.

It makes me wonder about Dylan’s actions of him giving the URL link of Eric’s website to Brooks at school. This happened after the van break-in, while they were both still in the diversion program. Perhaps this was Dylan’s way of trying to “get out” of the massacre- yet he was the one who came up with the idea! This would make sense if he was the hopeless follower, but the mastermind? Not so much. If the police had implemented correct procedures they would have found Eric’s website, ran an investigation, requested and completed a search warrant, and tied the results of the search warrant to the boys’ concurrent diversion program then they more than likely would have been linked to adult court than juvenile court, Eric would have been arrested and charged with terroristic threatening, and Columbine likely would have be happened.

Dylan gives up Eric and his website to Brooks, but by the time the tragedy takes place he does nothing to spare his childhood friends’ life.

There is so much juxtaposition throughout the months and years leading up to the massacre.

Some of these friendships also were in place for years and some seemed pretty strong. For instance, Brooks and Zack, perhaps Nate.

true_crime wrote:

hvernon wrote:

Both Dylan and Eric definitely reached a point where they didn't see these people as close friends anymore. They were willing to kill them along with the rest of the school using the bombs. Of course, we know these failed. I know Eric and Dylan mentioned something about their friends possibly being "in the line of fire" during the massacre. If they cared about any of these friends (or the friendships were anything more than surface level near the end), I think they would have warned that person. And maybe that's why they pushed everyone away... Eric and Dylan didn't trust any of their old friends to keep their secret.

It makes me wonder about Dylan’s actions of him giving the URL link of Eric’s website to Brooks at school. This happened after the van break-in, while they were both still in the diversion program. Perhaps this was Dylan’s way of trying to “get out” of the massacre- yet he was the one who came up with the idea! This would make sense if he was the hopeless follower, but the mastermind? Not so much. If the police had implemented correct procedures they would have found Eric’s website, ran an investigation, requested and completed a search warrant, and tied the results of the search warrant to the boys’ concurrent diversion program then they more than likely would have been linked to adult court than juvenile court, Eric would have been arrested and charged with terroristic threatening, and Columbine likely would have be happened.

Dylan gives up Eric and his website to Brooks, but by the time the tragedy takes place he does nothing to spare his childhood friends’ life.

There is so much juxtaposition throughout the months and years leading up to the massacre.

Some of these friendships also were in place for years and some seemed pretty strong. For instance, Brooks and Zack, perhaps Nate.

Actually, It was Aaron Brooks' brother who gave the website to the police. The Dylan giving him the website is a myth.

When one is very depressed it can be hard to see what you have in your life that is positive. Dylan and Eric didn't see the good in their lives anymore. They filtered out only the bad. They didn't see their family, friends, nice stable homes, positives of school life etc. When you only want to see the negative that is what you will find. When you think you are all alone, that is how you will feel. Sounds to me like both boys sat at home and stewed about the negatives day in and day out