There is only one weapon against school shootings: Awareness.

I'm not talking about raising awareness of the mass. I'm talking about making people aware that they may develop this desire that humanity is much more than what they say and has nothing to do with common conceptions. we must understand society, understand hierarchy, exploitation, etc. there is no need to do this. the real horror is reality itself and monsters are all of us that exist. Natural selection? this is all natural selection. now you want to go against it? imagine if all school shooters instead of spending money preparing their attacks, developed their tribes and lived their way as many do today in alternative communities of all kinds? I'm not here to play the pacifist. I'm here to be realistic. All revolutions are unnecessary and all debates are useless. stay among yours and develop. Have you been bullied? go over it and grow, because in life suffering is learning. if you succumb to this, you are being exactly what you criticize in others: a loser.

I've read everything you've posted and can't decipher anything you've said besides arguing that doing anything to make change is a waste of time. To me this just reeks of hollow and edgy nihilism; if it's true then we all may as well hang ourselves because nothing we do matters. "But just do what you enjoy!" I can hear you cheerily chime. Easy to do if there's anything to enjoy.

Real-Life wrote:

in life suffering is learning

The fuck it is.

QuestionMark wrote:

I've read everything you've posted and can't decipher anything you've said besides arguing that doing anything to make change is a waste of time. To me this just reeks of hollow and edgy nihilism; if it's true then we all may as well hang ourselves because nothing we do matters. "But just do what you enjoy!" I can hear you cheerily chime. Easy to do if there's anything to enjoy.

Real-Life wrote:

in life suffering is learning

The fuck it is.

interesting question posed by you. when I say that revolutions are useless and that we should live our revolution among our own people, I am saying that the idea of ​​generalizing a tribal act is silly. the man is diverse and tribalist. it is silly to think that within the countless variants you will have the domain of some vision completely. this is impossible. that is why all revolutions are useless. populations will never change completely.

QuestionMark wrote:

I've read everything you've posted and can't decipher anything you've said besides arguing that doing anything to make change is a waste of time. To me this just reeks of hollow and edgy nihilism; if it's true then we all may as well hang ourselves because nothing we do matters. "But just do what you enjoy!" I can hear you cheerily chime. Easy to do if there's anything to enjoy.

Real-Life wrote:

in life suffering is learning

The fuck it is.

I also recommend that you see my other posts and you will understand why. there is nothing nihilistic.

Real-Life wrote:

interesting question posed by you.

It's a statement, not a question.

Real-Life wrote:

when I say that revolutions are useless and that we should live our revolution among our own people, I am saying that the idea of ​​generalizing a tribal act is silly. the man is diverse and tribalist. it is silly to think that within the countless variants you will have the domain of some vision completely. this is impossible. that is why all revolutions are useless. populations will never change completely.

This is objectively wrong even by your own standards since you say that there are some people who can impose their will on others and reshape society in their image. It reminds me of great man theory, and I don't mean that as a compliment.

Real-Life wrote:

I also recommend that you see my other posts and you will understand why. there is nothing nihilistic.

I reread it and understand less. As for whether your beliefs are truly nihilistic or not I pointed out that it feels nihilistic because it reads to me as (admittedly my limited knowledge of) Nietzsche's concept of the Ubermench and the nonexistence of real values.

Real-Life wrote:

I'm not talking about raising awareness of the mass. I'm talking about making people aware that they may develop this desire that humanity is much more than what they say and has nothing to do with common conceptions. we must first of all separate humanity from social beings, understand society, understand hierarchy, exploitation, etc. there is no need to do this. the real horror is reality itself and monsters are all of us that exist. Natural selection? this is all natural selection. now you want to go against it?

That's a lot of vague statements. You could start with something like Dario Nardi's Neuroscience of Personality and The Magic Diamond to get somewhat basic understanding of human nature and how people are specialised to perform variety of roles and have various special skills.

Real-Life wrote:

imagine if all school shooters instead of spending money preparing their attacks, developed their tribes and lived their way as many do today in alternative communities of all kinds? I'm not here to play the pacifist. I'm here to be realistic. All revolutions are unnecessary and all debates are useless. stay among yours and develop.

Like instead instead of spending up to 1000$ on gear XD ? They'd "develop their tribes" and "develop alternate way of life" at the same monetary cost XD ? AHAHAHAHA XD That's, like, pure magical thinking XD .

Real-Life wrote:

Have you been bullied? go over it and grow, because in life suffering is learning. if you succumb to this, you are being exactly what you criticize in others: a loser.

It doesn't really work that way. Dylan and Eric got a kill:ratio of 2:13. Which is a massive win. It's probably more like 0:13 since they desired to die so their deaths aren't on the loss side.
Also, they have spent, like 1000$ to cancel all the money spent on raising all the victims, incurred massive healthcare and legal costs and probably costed a lot of lost tax revue. From what I understand Columbine has cost government, like tens or hundreds of millions of dollars. Article from 1999 cites 50 million $.
Columbine shooting was a massive victory for Dylan and Eric even without their plan working and without them adapting to its failure.

I think this idea is ultimately pointless since vast majority of people who could have power impulse to do something like shooting up a school won't do it simply because they aren't suicidal, so ultimately it's like preaching to a choir. Rampage shootings are extremely rare per capita specifically because they require the perp to be ridiculously suicidal while at the same time having strong enough power impulse to inflict massive losses on the enemy hordes on the way out. There must be some kind of fundamental contradiction involved that makes such situation exceptional.

Like ultimately your argument boils down to "I'm not suicidal and I want to do something with my life therefore mass shootings are unnecessary." which doesn't really work for people for whom death is a feature not a bug.
The truth is that the reason why public rampage shootings are so extremely rare per capita is that murder being highly illegal is an extremely effective deterrent.

Watcher wrote:

Real-Life wrote:

I'm not talking about raising awareness of the mass. I'm talking about making people aware that they may develop this desire that humanity is much more than what they say and has nothing to do with common conceptions. we must first of all separate humanity from social beings, understand society, understand hierarchy, exploitation, etc. there is no need to do this. the real horror is reality itself and monsters are all of us that exist. Natural selection? this is all natural selection. now you want to go against it?

That's a lot of vague statements. You could start with something like Dario Nardi's Neuroscience of Personality and The Magic Diamond to get somewhat basic understanding of human nature and how people are specialised to perform variety of roles and have various special skills.

Real-Life wrote:

imagine if all school shooters instead of spending money preparing their attacks, developed their tribes and lived their way as many do today in alternative communities of all kinds? I'm not here to play the pacifist. I'm here to be realistic. All revolutions are unnecessary and all debates are useless. stay among yours and develop.

Like instead instead of spending up to 1000$ on gear XD ? They'd "develop their tribes" and "develop alternate way of life" at the same monetary cost XD ? AHAHAHAHA XD That's, like, pure magical thinking XD .

Real-Life wrote:

Have you been bullied? go over it and grow, because in life suffering is learning. if you succumb to this, you are being exactly what you criticize in others: a loser.

It doesn't really work that way. Dylan and Eric got a kill:ratio of 2:13. Which is a massive win. It's probably more like 0:13 since they desired to die so their deaths aren't on the loss side.
Also, they have spent, like 1000$ to cancel all the money spent on raising all the victims, incurred massive healthcare and legal costs and probably costed a lot of lost tax revue. From what I understand Columbine has cost government, like tens or hundreds of millions of dollars. Article from 1999 cites 50 million $.
Columbine shooting was a massive victory for Dylan and Eric even without their plan working and without them adapting to its failure.

I think this idea is ultimately pointless since vast majority of people who could have power impulse to do something like shooting up a school won't do it simply because they aren't suicidal, so ultimately it's like preaching to a choir. Rampage shootings are extremely rare per capita specifically because they require the perp to be ridiculously suicidal while at the same time having strong enough power impulse to inflict massive losses on the enemy hordes on the way out. There must be some kind of fundamental contradiction involved that makes such situation exceptional.

Like ultimately your argument boils down to "I'm not suicidal and I want to do something with my life therefore mass shootings are unnecessary." which doesn't really work for people for whom death is a feature not a bug.
The truth is that the reason why public rampage shootings are so extremely rare per capita is that murder being highly illegal is an extremely effective deterrent.

the problem is that its so-called "killers" are nothing more than repeaters. I can never compare them to any real killer who does things for his own pleasure. in any act like this, social shock is much more the focus than pleasure. and yes, you have every right to voluntary euthanasia or voluntary death in whatever way you want, just don't do it with anyone don't want, because it won't do anything. and no, they didn't win because they're dead.