Timothy McVeigh was the "successful" Eric Harris

Eric Harris looked a lot like Timothy McVeigh. (McVeigh was a few inches taller but he was kind of scrawny-looking.)

In high school McVeigh was a gawky geek who struck out with the girls. He graduated and "became a man" by joining the Army and killing some Eye-Rack-Ees. But once he got out he was still disillusioned and disaffected. He drifted through early adulthood until he decided that he wanted to make a lasting impression on the world and bombed the federal building in Oklahoma City.

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McVeigh claimed to have been a target of bullying at school, and he took refuge in a fantasy world where he imagined retaliating against the bullies. At the end of his life, he stated his belief that the United States government is the ultimate bully.

Most who knew McVeigh remember him as being very shy and withdrawn while a few described him as an outgoing and playful child who withdrew as an adolescent. He is said to have had only one girlfriend as an adolescent; he later told journalists that he did not have any idea how to impress girls.

While in high school McVeigh became interested in computers, and hacked into government computer systems on his Commodore 64 under the handle The Wanderer, taken from the song by Dion DiMucci. In his senior year he was named "most promising computer programmer" of Starpoint Central High School (as well as "Most Talkative" by his classmates as a joke as he did not speak much) but had relatively poor grades until his 1986 graduation.

He was introduced to firearms by his grandfather. McVeigh told people of his wish to become a gun shop owner and sometimes took firearms to school to impress his classmates. He became intensely interested in gun rights as well as the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution after he graduated from high school and read magazines such as Soldier of Fortune. He briefly attended Bryant & Stratton College before dropping out. After dropping out of college, McVeigh worked as an armored car guard and was noted by co-workers as being obsessed with guns. One co-worker recalled an instance when McVeigh came to work "looking like Pancho Villa" as he was wearing bandoliers.

So was Eric Harris a wannabe Timothy McVeigh, or what?

The idea that Eric (why not Dylan?) was influenced by Tim McVeigh seems to be solely due to his "America, love it or leave it" rant and his wish that he would get the high score for casualties in an attack, at the time held by McVeigh.

Other than that, I don't think there is any influence, just like the Anarchists Cookbook being a source of great influence for them, it's mostly a myth.

I suspect Duke Nukem level 2 was much more of an influence, and is what Eric is talking about when he talks about being into demolition, or parking garages exploding and flames licking up buildings. The bombs were pipes bombs attached to propane tanks, straight out of Duke Nukem 3D. All their weapons were from vidya.

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I think that was in his mind a lot more than OKC. In the quote "It's gonna be like the LA Riots, Oklahoma bombing, WW2, Vietnam, Duke, and DOOM" the two video games at the end are the most relevant. The rest is all video games, I'm convinced. LA Riots = Duke Nukem 3D, it's set in LA with mutated LAPD pig cops (it says LARD instead). What I just showed you for Oklahoma bombing.

Wolfenstein 3d for WW2. Blood for Vietnam (where they got the idea for napalm).

And just no about Eric looking like him. Eric looked a lot DOOMGUY. That's who he was thinking of when he got his haircut or similar. That's why he got a nose bleed. His usernames were rebdoomer not rebokcer.

And that idea that Tim was bullied in school  - rather than proving a parallel to Columbine - seems to show how easily every crime is chalked up to abuse and mental health regardless of the evidence, Columbine included.

They wanted to play video games IRL, kill cops for the van arrest, and have followers who wanted to do the same, not to extract revenge for Waco and Ruby Ridge.

Further, it seems to me the division of labor was Eric was gun man, and Dylan was bomb tech. The guns were from DOOM, Eric's favorite game. The bombs were from Duke Nukem 3D, I suspect Dylan's favorite. His triple barred cross he drew a lot, and wore on his ear, and said symbolized "the everlasting contrast" and "the everything" i. e. both good and evil, is from Duke Nukem level 3. Dylan was doing "missions" and so it seems to me making pipe bombs with Zach before Eric was. Duke was blond and wanted girls. Given that, extra silly to say Eric was McVeigh guy rather than Dylan. But neither were.

Timothy McVeigh's political beliefs were simplified, dopey, angry, eternally juvenile right-wing "i hate the government" bullshit.

And even THAT is like Einstein-level compared to what Eric knew about politics. I realize that teenagers are dumb about politics and always will be, but what little Eric Harris ever had to say about the subject qualifies most other teenagers for a fucking Cormac McCarthy genius grant.

I agree that the government fucked up royally at Ruby Ridge and probably fucked up at Waco (I'm still not one hundred percent certain they started that fire), but this doesn't make Timothy McVeigh intelligent, let alone right. And Timothy killed a few kids himself, y'know.

Lunkhead McGrath wrote:

I agree that the government fucked up royally at Ruby Ridge and probably fucked up at Waco (I'm still not one hundred percent certain they started that fire), but this doesn't make Timothy McVeigh intelligent, let alone right.  And Timothy killed a few kids himself, y'know.  

His iq was 126. The kids who were killed were collateral damage.

name wrote:

Lunkhead McGrath wrote:

I agree that the government fucked up royally at Ruby Ridge and probably fucked up at Waco (I'm still not one hundred percent certain they started that fire), but this doesn't make Timothy McVeigh intelligent, let alone right.  And Timothy killed a few kids himself, y'know.  

His iq was 126. The kids who were killed were collateral damage.

IQ doesn't make you intelligent or right either.

As for the second part of your statement, it's lame and hypocritical regardless of what level of irony you are or aren't operating on.

Lunkhead McGrath wrote:

As for the second part of your statement, it's lame and hypocritical regardless of what level of irony you are or aren't operating on.  

There's nothing "lame, hypocritical, and ironic" about it you pretentious tard. It's literally fact they were collateral damage. Mcveigh had no knowledge of a daycare in the building whether you like it or not lmao

Maldoror wrote:

Lunkhead McGrath wrote:

As for the second part of your statement, it's lame and hypocritical regardless of what level of irony you are or aren't operating on.  

There's nothing "lame, hypocritical, and ironic" about it you pretentious tard. It's literally fact they were collateral damage. Mcveigh had no knowledge of a daycare in the building whether you like it or not lmao

I'm getting called a pretentious tard by a guy with a picture of the biggest incel twerp who ever lived as his profile pic. Awesome.
McVeigh's excuses are as lame as the government's.

So does this place only attract edgelords now or what?

Maldoror wrote:

Lunkhead McGrath wrote:

As for the second part of your statement, it's lame and hypocritical regardless of what level of irony you are or aren't operating on.  

There's nothing "lame, hypocritical, and ironic" about it you pretentious tard. It's literally fact they were collateral damage. Mcveigh had no knowledge of a daycare in the building whether you like it or not lmao

I'm getting called a pretentious tard by a guy with a picture of the biggest incel twerp who ever lived as his profile pic. Awesome.
McVeigh's excuses are as lame as the government's.

So does this place only attract edgelords now or what?

It seems to me one is trying too hard to appear moral with the vacuous condemnation of "bullshit". He was a dumb meanie head, sure.

Anyway. I roll my eyes at the mcveigh comparisons that fail to note his high score was envied, not his politics or his MO. McVeigh used fertilizer bombs. No way the Columbine perps were using anything but propane fire bombs  to light students on fire and mimic duke nukem 3d. Its Cullen and his lack of understanding that says "oklahoma bombing and anarchists cookbook" Their arsenal is basically unimaginable to a boomer who wasnt a gamer. Even the car bombs were duke nukem, hence two propane tanks and pipe bombs not fertilizer.

cakeman wrote:

The idea that Eric (why not Dylan?) was influenced by Tim McVeigh seems to be solely due to his "America, love it or leave it" rant and his wish that he would get the high score for casualties in an attack, at the time held by McVeigh.

Plus Eric actually liked his own dad and looked up to him as both father and a military man. I think that's his military connection, far more than any big notions about McVeigh.

McVeigh was a 'sovereign citizen' sort of far right patriot nutjob. Information about McVeigh and his ideology was actually well available by 1999. Did Eric read 'The Turner Diaries'? Nope. Did he write any school essays about McVeigh or similar US far-right-nutjobbery? Nope.

I think what Eric found interesting about McVeigh was his bomb usage and the high boducount. But McVeighs ideology... Eric didn't seem to give two fucks about that as far as I see.

Sabratha wrote:

cakeman wrote:

The idea that Eric (why not Dylan?) was influenced by Tim McVeigh seems to be solely due to his "America, love it or leave it" rant and his wish that he would get the high score for casualties in an attack, at the time held by McVeigh.

Plus Eric actually liked his own dad and looked up to him as both father and a military man. I think that's his military connection, far more than any big notions about McVeigh.

McVeigh was a 'sovereign citizen' sort of far right patriot nutjob. Information about McVeigh and his ideology was actually well available by 1999. Did Eric read 'The Turner Diaries'? Nope. Did he write any school essays about McVeigh or similar US far-right-nutjobbery? Nope.

I think what Eric found interesting about McVeigh was his bomb usage and the high boducount. But McVeighs ideology... Eric didn't seem to give two fucks about that as far as I see.

Yeah we are on similar wavelengths here. I would add that its because people arent playing the same video games. Hence they want mcveighs "high score"  hence they used propane bombs and not fertilizer. Literally only mentions it when talking about video games. Cullen says their arsenal came from McVeigh and the anarchists cookbook. Hes just wrong. It was video games: Doom, Duke Nukem 3D, Rise of the Triad, Blood, Wolfenstein 3D, and similar games.

Another example is Dylan shooting the empty trophy case. I doubt it had anything to do with "jocks". Glass panes shattering when you shoot them was new in Rise of the Triad. And shooting the tv is from Duke Nukem.

Erics mothers father was also military as I understand. It seems with Nazis they played both sides. I think like wolfenstein 3d, they were imagining victims as Nazis as well as Doom zombies.  Hence Dylans soviet pin, for example.

The white hats seemed to be worn by sports fans, not just jocks or team members, so most of the male student body, and in DOOM the zombies green hair serves as a target. They said theyd be imagining them as Doom enemies. Hardly a stretch to say Wolfenstein enemies too. Meaning nazis. Showing how that Eric quote is all about video games. What else was Ww2 about the attack?