What would Eric and Dylan think of Cullen's book?

Even if they thought Cullen was full of shit ... would they mind?

Would Eric read it and think, "So he makes me out to be a swaggering, pussy-pounding ladies' man? Yay!"?

Yeah, I think Eric would rather relish being portrayed as a cool, calculating psychopath who caused panties to drop by entering the room.

Dylan might be a bit resentful about being portrayed as a depressed follower unable to take any initiative himself.

Heh, no idea really.

I think the first honest reaction would be: "Oh cool, there's a book about us. Now when will a movie come out?!"

My best guess is that Eric would enjoy Cullen, but he would enjoy Krabbe's book most of all, even if he wouldn't agree with all the details or conclusions. Her'd probably enjoy the fact that so much time and effort was devoted to looking at even minor events in his biography.

I think it would make him feel a little bit like Patton, Bradley or other military heroes he looked up to. They also had biographers who looked at their lives in fine detail and in Eric's eyes it would probably confirm his view taht what he did on 4/20 was significant and important. That he in fact left a lasting impression on the world.

Dylan would be less thrilled, as he seems to have wanted more privacy as far as things like his journal and love life, but would probably relish the fact that he did in fact get to have "followers".

I think Eric might find it amusing, I can see Dylan being pissed off at it though, being the lying pile of shit that it is.

eli27 wrote:

I think Eric might find it amusing, I can see Dylan being pissed off at it though, being the lying pile of shit that it is.

Wait, what? I always thought that Eric was the manipulative one, and Dylan what he depressive one.

I think Eric would enjoy it. Everything in Cullen's book props up what Eric thought he was. I think they would have both like all of the attention overall.

Probably flattered that they have a book about them, but pissed off at the fact that it's a fictional account on what really happened, which may also please them that no matter how many books are written about them, none of these experts are able to crack their true motives and figure out the real reason behind why they did it.

It's a shame nobody cared or found them interesting enough to write a whole book or make tons of documentaries on them when they were alive, only when they were dead, and as I see death as the eternal end and I don't believe in any form of afterlife, I think it's a shame Eric and Dylan could never know books like this and documentaries like Zero Hour would even exist.

I doubt at anytime in their life before their planning that they would have thought that one day a whole book would be written about them and actors would be portray them and famous celebrities would know who they were and discuss them, KMFDM talked about them and heck even Kevin Bacon just recently went to a Columbine theater play. I know Eric did talk about Speilberg making a movie about him though, and even if it did happen, the people who would get the biggest kick out of it would never be able to see it.

CharlesWhitman wrote:

I think it's a shame Eric and Dylan could never know books like this and documentaries like Zero Hour would even exist.

I doubt at anytime in their life before their planning that they would have thought that one day a whole book would be written about them and actors would be portray them and famous celebrities would know who they were and discuss them, KMFDM talked about them and heck even Kevin Bacon just recently went to a Columbine theater play. I know Eric did talk about Speilberg making a movie about him though, and even if it did happen, the people who would get the biggest kick out of it would never be able to see it.

I'm pretty sure E&D had some sort of notion that their attack would get publicity, probbaly down to movies beaing made and whatnot (alledged bastement tape quote).

I'm still looking forward to the Rachel-the-christian-flick movie even if it will be full of innacuracies and silly jesus-religious-do-you-believe-in-Gott stuff. In a weird way I think Eric at least would appreciate that the peopel he killed became famous as well.

Heck, if he knew the notoriety this would create, I'm sure he would specifically round up pretty girls and ask them the god question before killing them. Then probably laugh his head off at the christian revival and nationwide confusion caused. That would be so like him.

making that movie is just away to make the massacre look like an anti-Christian attack, and the fact they have two guys playing Eric and Dylan in it, is kinda giving them what they wanted. Also the behind the scenes photos are kinda strange seeing the two actors in full Eric and Dylan costume smiling and clowning around for the camera.

Both boys would love the fact that books, tv episodes, movies, plays, and videogames have been made about themselves and the attack. That's what they appear to have wanted, especially Eric. Cullen does paint him in a pretty positive light compared to real life. He paints him as a ladies man and master manipulating psychopath with no remorse for killing. That's the very thing Eric wanted to be and now thanks to Cullen that's how hell be remembered by the general public. I wonder if Cullen ever took into consideration that he was really doing Eric the ultimate favor with his false portrayal? When you think about it like that its hard to sympathize with Cullen's works criticism.

I really doubt Dylan would be happy with Cullen's book specifically. While Dylan didnt seem to want fame near as much as Eric he would have hated being called the follower. Cullen doesn't even touch on the "wrath" he unleashed in the library. Dylan was a monster that day and Cullen treats him like he was scared to death of a whiny kid a foot shorter than him and was forced to be a part of it. I don't believe in making E and D out to be heroes, but even I can't help but feel insulted for Dylan. He did a much better job of hiding his anger and bloodlust than Eric. His inappropriate characterizations of E and D is why I can't recommend the book to anyone interested in Columbine.

Nirvana92 wrote:

I really doubt Dylan would be happy with Cullen's book specifically. While Dylan didnt seem to want fame near as much as Eric he would have hated being called the follower

Agreed. Accordign to the alledged basement tape quote, it was Dylan who said: "I know we are gonna have followers".

I'd stress the "we" part. Dylan certainly did not consider himself a follower, ratehr someone to have followers himself down the road. Frankly, I think he was in fact right on both.

After reading all of Dylan's journals, it doesn't seem like he's a follower, it feels like he has his personal reasons for this attack, they both were fighting for their own personal war, he wasn't doing it just because Eric said so. Eric had his reasons, Dylan had his.

CharlesWhitman wrote:

After reading all of Dylan's journals, it doesn't seem like he's a follower, it feels like he has his personal reasons for this attack, they both were fighting for their own personal war, he wasn't doing it just because Eric said so. Eric had his reasons, Dylan had his.

I'd strongly agree.

No I don't think Eric would like Dave portraying him to be a psychopathic evil demon while Dylan was innocent in Dave's eyes because I think Eric would feel like by Dave portraying him this way, he would be even more ostracized and disliked.....but that's just my opinion.

Nirvana92 wrote:

Both boys would love the fact that books, tv episodes, movies, plays, and videogames have been made about themselves and the attack. That's what they appear to have wanted, especially Eric. Cullen does paint him in a pretty positive light compared to real life. He paints him as a ladies man and master manipulating psychopath with no remorse for killing. That's the very thing Eric wanted to be and now thanks to Cullen that's how hell be remembered by the general public. I wonder if Cullen ever took into consideration that he was really doing Eric the ultimate favor with his false portrayal? When you think about it like that its hard to sympathize with Cullen's works criticism.

I really doubt Dylan would be happy with Cullen's book specifically. While Dylan didnt seem to want fame near as much as Eric he would have hated being called the follower. Cullen doesn't even touch on the "wrath" he unleashed in the library. Dylan was a monster that day and Cullen treats him like he was scared to death of a whiny kid a foot shorter than him and was forced to be a part of it. I don't believe in making E and D out to be heroes, but even I can't help but feel insulted for Dylan. He did a much better job of hiding his anger and bloodlust than Eric. His inappropriate characterizations of E and D is why I can't recommend the book to anyone interested in Columbine.

Yes because from what I heard, it was Dylan who was scary on 4/20, more so than Eric. In fact, Dylan is the one who scares me more than Eric. Like in the Hitmen For Hire video, Dylan looks like he could rip your heart out from your anus and then eat it, Eric comes off as like "yeah whatever dude, STFO" when you see and hear him in the Hitmen For Hire video, but Dylan looks like he could really kill you in that video and I'm sure before the planning and rage, Dylan was probably a sweet, shy guy but in that video and from reports of 4/20/99, Dylan seemed to be the more scarier guy, in my opinion.

From that day Dylan would have made me crap my pants, anyone with a gun would but Dylan being a maniac laughing and screaming about wanting to die and supposedly saying "you're all mine" would terrify me.

However in Hitmen for Hire neither of them scare me at all. I enjoy watching it oddly enough. I look at it as just a student film and in 2 takes Dylan grins and laughs at the end.

I am mostly disturbed by Rampart Range for various reasons.

Nirvana92 wrote:

Both boys would love the fact that books, tv episodes, movies, plays, and videogames have been made about themselves and the attack. That's what they appear to have wanted, especially Eric. Cullen does paint him in a pretty positive light compared to real life. He paints him as a ladies man and master manipulating psychopath with no remorse for killing. That's the very thing Eric wanted to be and now thanks to Cullen that's how hell be remembered by the general public. I wonder if Cullen ever took into consideration that he was really doing Eric the ultimate favor with his false portrayal? When you think about it like that its hard to sympathize with Cullen's works criticism.

I mean I don't know how many people bought Cullen's book and took it to heart, but I doubt it was as significant as some make it out to be.

Eric would have loved it, because it presented him in way that he wanted to be presented.
Dylan not so much. I don't think he would have liked being called a follower.