Think E &D were some of most evil people to ever live ?

One thing I have noticed is that a lot of people who get into this or just start researching it think that E &D were some of the most evil people to ever live on this earth.
They routinely show up on most evil people or Most evil children lists.
I will never deny that what they did was indeed evil and cruel, but because I am a true crime buff I am constantly reading about crimes that make E &D look almost like choir boys.These stories just didn't get the publicity that Columbine did.

Read these awful stories and decide for yourselves:

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One thing I have noticed is that a lot of people who get into this or just start researching it think that E &D were some of the most evil people to ever live on this earth.
They routinely show up on most evil people or Most evil children lists.
I will never deny that what they did was indeed evil  and cruel, but because I am a true crime buff I am constantly reading about crimes that make E &D look almost like choir boys.These stories just didn't get the publicity that Columbine did.

Read these awful stories and decide for yourselves:

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I know exactly what you're talking about, and I entirely agree.

I read the story about Baby Brianna about 5 years ago, and I was so profoundly disturbed by it on every level, that I was unable to sleep for 3 days. I am not remotely exaggerating.

Another similar situation that did the same thing to me is the story of little Elisa Izquierdo.

I'm bordering on physically shaking even thinking about these cases again. They're purely demonic.

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I'm so glad that you understand exactly where I am coming from.I can never get the details out of my mind either.
I couldn't if I wanted to.
To think we live in a world where people rape infants,torture babies and toddlers literally to death and can saw the feet off of a young girl while she screams in agony and begs for mercy is incomprehensible at times.But you got it exactly right.
The demonic is behind all this and of that I have no doubt.

That site is very disturbing. I've never been to it before today. And I just can't believe how sick some people really are. Disgusting human beings who deserve nothing less than to be tortured the way they tortured their victims.

What they did to that little girl for the entire 5 months of her life is truly the most disgusting thing I've ever seen. This is one situation where she was better of dying than to endure that any longer. It was obvious no one was going to help her. The 3 people that did it should be given the death sentence. They are a waste of space, in my opinion.

I understand that at the time of the shooting, Columbine stuck out like a sore thumb because that kinda stuff in that kinda way just didn't happen, but that doesn't make them even close to the most evil people to ever live. I mean, even compared to some other school shooters/general shooters they seem pretty mild. I see evil as the people who torture their victims, serial killers like Jeffrey Dahmer, Richard Ramirez, Ted Bundy.

Take Javed Iqbal for example, he admitted to raping and murdering 100 boys (mostly orphans). Compared to E&D he is on another level of evil. Yeah, they killed people, but I mean they didn't rape little kids. Can you really picture Dylan Klebold having it in him to drag a kid back to an isolated spot, proceed to rape and torture them, before murdering them and keeping body parts as trophies? Cause that is evil.

PaintItBlack wrote:

One thing I have noticed is that a lot of people who get into this or just start researching it think that E &D were some of the most evil people to ever live on this earth.
They routinely show up on most evil people or Most evil children lists.
I will never deny that what they did was indeed evil  and cruel, but because I am a true crime buff I am constantly reading about crimes that make E &D look almost like choir boys.These stories just didn't get the publicity that Columbine did.

Read these awful stories and decide for yourselves:

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You are right. I do not think E&D where completely evil, satanic people. I just think they were both mentally disturbed. There are people in this world who are ten times worse then them. They did kill a lot of people yes, but they had some issues and at least their victims (most of them) died quickly and did not suffer for long. Some of these poor children, I just cannot fathom what goes through someones mind when they hurt a child like that. Just last year a local 3 year old boy named Scottie was beaten to death by his mother and her boyfriend. They tied him up by his feet and beat him, threw him through a wall (his head made a hole in the wall) and several other things. When he finally fell unconscious they left him on the floor and went out shopping and then had sex. They waited hours to call 911 to report him unresponsive. It was REALLY disturbing.

I don't think that Eric and Dylan were evil per se, but I do think they had evil in their hearts. They were misguided and lost control over themselves. I think that an evil person is someone that has the complete and utter desire to cause sin with full control over their actions. This may sound a little confusing to you, but it makes sense to me. Just my opinion.

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Sadly, that is far from the only story like that I have read about or heard about.
For some reason,the sickeningly disgusting cases of people raping babies and toddlers seem to have become more common.
My own theory is that the secure, private , explosion of easily accessible and all different types of porn on the internet around that time inspired people to act on their twisted fantasies but its just a theory.
The case of case FlyerFan was talking about seems to have become more common over the years two in which Mothers let their child be abused to death by their lover and do nothing or actively participate in the abuse.

I'll never understand how people can do any of those crimes against children.
It makes no sense to me.

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Actually ,I cannot.
I don't think E &D had anything like that inside them.

Well I do not think Eric and his associate lost control over themselves. I think losing control over oneself would mean someone who is psychotic.

Like someone who suffers a delusion and does a crime,and his/her thought patterns are distorted.

But Eric and Dylan premeditated their attack and planned it.

I do not know the reason women do these crimes against their children or permit them.


I think perhaps a woman might feel that by giving birth to this child, she "owns" it. She can use it as her property.

After all infanticide is quite common among primitive peoples. I read yesterday in a book called "yamatato" how a woman destroyed her child, since She did not desire that it competete for milk with another one.

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Sadly, that is far from the only story like that I have read about or heard about.
For some reason,the sickeningly disgusting cases of people raping babies and toddlers seem to have become more common.
My own theory is that the  secure, private , explosion of easily accessible and all different types of porn on the internet around that time inspired people to act on their twisted fantasies but its just a theory.
The case of case FlyerFan was talking about seems to have become more common over the years two in which Mothers let their child be abused to death by their lover and do nothing or actively participate in the abuse.

I'll never understand how people can do any of those crimes against children.
It makes no sense to me.

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Actually ,I cannot.
I don't think E &D had anything like that inside them.

In the last week alone my local paper has had two stories about child deaths. An 8 month old baby was beaten to death by its parents last week just a few miles from where I live. It really is just sickening. Why have children if you really don't want to nourish and love them? Why do you have to kill them? I don't know about where you guys live but here as have a sort of unspoken law that if you, for any reason, cannot care for your child or (the more horrible thought) do not want your child, you can leave them at any local hospital or firestation, no questions asked and there are charities and agencies who take the children in and try to make better lives for them. Isn't it sad that we even need to have programs like that? I don't even have kids and it makes me sad.

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Yes it is sad but I'm glad they exist.I don't know why in these horrible cases we hear about that the parents or caregivers do not take advantage of such programs.
The only thing I can figure out is they either just love abusing the child(sick) or they want to keep them around for the welfare benefits they get because they have the child in their custody.

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Yes it is sad but I'm glad they exist.I don't know why in these horrible cases we hear about that the parents or caregivers do not take advantage of such programs.
The only thing I can figure out is they either just love abusing the child(sick) or they want to keep them around for the welfare benefits they get because they have the child in their custody.

Oh yeah I have seen a lot of Law and Order SVU episodes about those very subjects. (its another one of my obsessions)

No, I don't think E&D were some of the most evil people to ever live

Here's another of these cases I just learned about.Poor girl.

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Man kills kids to punish ex wife

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Lol @ Eric and Dylan looking like choir boys.

Lol @ at least they killed victims quickly. Victims are still suffering today because of those two evil bastards. Some cases physically and probably mentally (ie Anne Marie Hochhalter).

I'm surprised that these guys haven't been mention in this thread yet: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
If I had to make a list of the most evil people, these sadists would definitely be on it.

If you decide to do more research on this, you will come across a video entitled, "Three guys one hammer." Whatever you do, don't watch it. Just trust me on this.

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I'm surprised that these guys haven't been mention in this thread yet: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
If I had to make a list of the most evil people, these sadists would definitely be on it.

If you decide to do more research on this, you will come across a video entitled, "Three guys one hammer." Whatever you do, don't watch it. Just trust me on this.

I've watched a lot of fucked up things on the internet. I've read about these guys quite a bit and that's one video I'll never watch.

boringguy wrote:

I'm surprised that these guys haven't been mention in this thread yet: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
If I had to make a list of the most evil people, these sadists would definitely be on it.

If you decide to do more research on this, you will come across a video entitled, "Three guys one hammer." Whatever you do, don't watch it. Just trust me on this.

I've seen the video. It's disgusting and disturbing. There's only one other video that I've ever seen that is as disgusting as that one and that's the video with the new born puppy and the high heel. That video haunted me for days afterwards. There's some really sick shit on the internet.

Jenn wrote:

boringguy wrote:

I'm surprised that these guys haven't been mention in this thread yet: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
If I had to make a list of the most evil people, these sadists would definitely be on it.

If you decide to do more research on this, you will come across a video entitled, "Three guys one hammer." Whatever you do, don't watch it. Just trust me on this.

I've seen the video. It's disgusting and disturbing. There's only one other video that I've ever seen that is as disgusting as that one and that's the video with the new born puppy and the high heel. That video haunted me for days afterwards. There's some really sick shit on the internet.

I've only ever heard of those videos with baby animals and small animals. Just hearing about them caused me to lose sleep, and I'm not even remotely exaggerating about that one, either.

I can't cope with anything of that nature.

However, if someone made a video of someone else beating the shit out of the rabid, soulless cretins who do/who have done those things, I must admit I'd watch, and I must admit I'd likely find satisfaction in seeing them getting beaten down. And I know I wouldn't lose any sleep over that.

Admittedly, I shouldn't even think that way, but at this time, it enrages and saddens me beyond description that these sleazebags do these things to human and animal babies, as well as humans and animals of all ages and sizes, period.



*I know not everyone subscribes to this, but I know in my heart that God will be dealing with the demons who do these things, if He isn't already dealing with them now.

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Jenn wrote:

boringguy wrote:

I'm surprised that these guys haven't been mention in this thread yet: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
If I had to make a list of the most evil people, these sadists would definitely be on it.

If you decide to do more research on this, you will come across a video entitled, "Three guys one hammer." Whatever you do, don't watch it. Just trust me on this.

I've seen the video. It's disgusting and disturbing. There's only one other video that I've ever seen that is as disgusting as that one and that's the video with the new born puppy and the high heel. That video haunted me for days afterwards. There's some really sick shit on the internet.

I've only ever heard of those videos with baby animals and small animals. Just hearing about them caused me to lose sleep, and I'm not even remotely exaggerating about that one, either.

I can't cope with anything of that nature.

However, if someone made a video of someone else beating the shit out of the rabid, soulless cretins who do/who have done those things, I must admit I'd watch, and I must admit I'd likely find satisfaction in seeing them getting beaten down. And I know I wouldn't lose any sleep over that.

Admittedly, I shouldn't even think that way, but at this time, it enrages and saddens me beyond description that these sleazebags do these things to human and animal babies, as well as humans and animals of all ages and sizes, period.



*I know not everyone subscribes to this, but I know in my heart that God will be dealing with the demons who do these things, if He isn't already dealing with them now.

I agree and I think like that too. A few months ago there was this video on Facebook where this guy was boiling a pot of hot water, he then went outside and lured this black and white cat over to him and then threw the boiling water on the cat. The cat (now named Driver) was screaming in agony.

The guy who did it was arrested. While he was in prison he was raped so badly that he needed surgery and has to wear an adult diaper for several months. And I say, good, he deserved it. The cat was rescued and now has a new home.

The terrible death of little Elisa Izquierdo

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This is actually a very good thread, cause, it's a good debate on the level of Evil. While most would simply sum up a group of horrid people as one, you could actually break apart those that are much more evil than the other. It's like I don't wanna find myself comparing a savage to another, evil is evil, but I agree, there're actual monsters out there way more unforgiving than Eric and Dylan. Pedophiles for starters, child killers, torturers. That should be the main factor: are these people forgivable. I know for a fact there're numerous people out there that can NEVER, EVER, ever be forgiven. Don't matter if they're bones or ashes now.
Thank you for the links too [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I'll be checking them out.

I don't know if these 2 have been mentioned, but Lawrence Bittaker and Roy Norris are evil personified. If you can stomach the graphic details, I believe you can learn a lot about them on Wikipedia. There's also a documentary, The Devil and the Death Penalty, that focuses on this case. It happened either in the 70's or 80's, but trust me it is one of the most horrific crimes I've ever stumbled upon. Those 2 have given me hellish nightmares about their crimes.

And I work in a morgue, so yeah, not a lot phases me.

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They raped, beat, turtured and mutilated their victims before finally killing them. They also recorded audio of several of the torture sessions. You can find the transcripts online if you were so inclined. I cried when I read the transcript of the recording of the last victim. The documentary also plays a portion of the recording and it gave me chills. When they played it during those monsters' trials, many people fled the courtroom, unable to bear it. It is haunting.

Evil? Eric and Dylan are not even on the same universe as these two.

Tomb wrote:

I don't know if these 2 have been mentioned, but Lawrence Bittaker and Roy Norris are evil personified. If you can stomach the graphic details, I believe you can learn a lot about them on Wikipedia. There's also a documentary, The Devil and the Death Penalty, that focuses on this case. It happened either in the 70's or 80's, but trust me it is one of the most horrific crimes I've ever stumbled upon. Those 2 have given me hellish nightmares about their crimes.

And I work in a morgue, so yeah, not a lot phases me.

Here's the link: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

They raped, beat, turtured and mutilated their victims before finally killing them. They also recorded audio of several of the torture sessions. You can find the transcripts online if you were so inclined. I cried when I read the transcript of the recording of the last victim. The documentary also plays a portion of the recording and it gave me chills. When they played it during those monsters' trials, many people fled the courtroom, unable to bear it. It is haunting.

Evil? Eric and Dylan are not even on the same universe as these two.

I have read some about this nightmare of a case.
One of the worst things I've heard in my life yet.
It haunts me to think how those girls suffered when the ice picks were driven through their heads and the last poor girl who was tortured with pliers and a sledgehammer.
I actually start to get ill when I remember.

PaintItBlack wrote:

Tomb wrote:

I don't know if these 2 have been mentioned, but Lawrence Bittaker and Roy Norris are evil personified. If you can stomach the graphic details, I believe you can learn a lot about them on Wikipedia. There's also a documentary, The Devil and the Death Penalty, that focuses on this case. It happened either in the 70's or 80's, but trust me it is one of the most horrific crimes I've ever stumbled upon. Those 2 have given me hellish nightmares about their crimes.

And I work in a morgue, so yeah, not a lot phases me.

Here's the link: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

They raped, beat, turtured and mutilated their victims before finally killing them. They also recorded audio of several of the torture sessions. You can find the transcripts online if you were so inclined. I cried when I read the transcript of the recording of the last victim. The documentary also plays a portion of the recording and it gave me chills. When they played it during those monsters' trials, many people fled the courtroom, unable to bear it. It is haunting.

Evil? Eric and Dylan are not even on the same universe as these two.

I have read some about this nightmare of a case.
One of the worst things I've heard in my life yet.
It haunts me to think how those girls suffered when the ice picks were driven through their heads and the last poor girl who was tortured with pliers and a sledgehammer.
I actually start to get ill when I remember.

I know. When I pulled up their Wikipedia page, I had a visceral reaction. The ice pick was shoved through one victim's ear and when it didn't kill her, they turned her over and shoved it through the other ear. Still alive, those monsters stomped on it until the handle broke. She still didn't die. They ended up bludgeoning her to death with a sledgehammer.

They mutilated the victims while alive, tearing off their nipples and mutilating their gentials, laughing at those poor victims as they screamed and cried in pain.

It's rather telling it only took the jury 90 minutes to give Bittaker the death penalty, even though he still languishes there 30 some odd years later. To this day, he has no remorse and will sign his tasteless "artwork" and letters as Pliers Bittaker.

Then there's Charles Warner, who was executed in Oklahoma in 2015 for brutally raping, beating and shaking his roommate's 11 week old daughter in 1997. Upon autopsy, the child had suffered a crushing injury to the head and brain damage, a broken jaw, 3 fractured ribs, a lacerated liver, a bruised spleen and lungs, eye hemorrhages consistent with being shaken as well as rectal tears from being raped.

Once again, Eric and Dylan aren't even in the same universe with these monsters.

There is no such thing as evil men, just evil deeds.

potatosallad wrote:

There is no such thing as evil men, just evil deeds.

mmmmmmm........evil men begets evil deeds....no?

I don't think they were. A case I am currently following that was inspired by Columbine seems much worse. Thankfully, Michael and Robert Bever were caught before they could do worse than they already have.

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liquorvamp wrote:

potatosallad wrote:

There is no such thing as evil men, just evil deeds.

mmmmmmm........evil men begets evil deeds....no?

Bad judgment, misunderstandings, delusions... Those cause evil deeds. But it all depends on how you look at it. Nothing is black and white, what's evil to some is a blessing for others.

PotatoSallad wrote:

Bad judgment, misunderstandings, delusions... Those cause evil deeds. But it all depends on how you look at it. Nothing is black and white, what's evil to some is a blessing for others.

makes sense, I agree.

Tomb wrote:

PaintItBlack wrote:

Tomb wrote:

I don't know if these 2 have been mentioned, but Lawrence Bittaker and Roy Norris are evil personified. If you can stomach the graphic details, I believe you can learn a lot about them on Wikipedia. There's also a documentary, The Devil and the Death Penalty, that focuses on this case. It happened either in the 70's or 80's, but trust me it is one of the most horrific crimes I've ever stumbled upon. Those 2 have given me hellish nightmares about their crimes.

And I work in a morgue, so yeah, not a lot phases me.

Here's the link: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

They raped, beat, turtured and mutilated their victims before finally killing them. They also recorded audio of several of the torture sessions. You can find the transcripts online if you were so inclined. I cried when I read the transcript of the recording of the last victim. The documentary also plays a portion of the recording and it gave me chills. When they played it during those monsters' trials, many people fled the courtroom, unable to bear it. It is haunting.

Evil? Eric and Dylan are not even on the same universe as these two.

I have read some about this nightmare of a case.
One of the worst things I've heard in my life yet.
It haunts me to think how those girls suffered when the ice picks were driven through their heads and the last poor girl who was tortured with pliers and a sledgehammer.
I actually start to get ill when I remember.

I know. When I pulled up their Wikipedia page, I had a visceral reaction. The ice pick was shoved through one victim's ear and when it didn't kill her, they turned her over and shoved it through the other ear. Still alive, those monsters stomped on it until the handle broke. She still didn't die. They ended up bludgeoning her to death with a sledgehammer.

They mutilated the victims while alive, tearing off their nipples and mutilating their gentials, laughing at those poor victims as they screamed and cried in pain.

It's rather telling it only took the jury 90 minutes to give Bittaker the death penalty, even though he still languishes there 30 some odd years later. To this day, he has no remorse and will sign his tasteless "artwork" and letters as Pliers Bittaker.

I know.I wish that if they were going to kill them they would have at least have done it quickly.But then seeing them suffer was part of the plan.The first girl, the one they kidnapped while she was walking home from church supposedly got off the easiest as she was strangled to death after being raped(if you can call that getting off easy) .But then again, this is according to the killers.
Her body was never found.No doubt destroyed by animals and the waters that flood the area where she was disposed of after a heavy rain.It's so hurtful to think of. Who knows if that's how she really died?
Two of the victims bodies were never found so their families couldn't give them a proper resting place.
The whole "pliers" thing makes me ill.I'm not a big fan of the dp and am glad I don't have to make those decisions but there are some people I can't say don't deserve it.The only explanation I have for these types of atrocities is demonic possession.

These two remind me of the Hillside Stranglers.Have you ever seen that poor girl with the broom? If you've ever seen it, you'll sadly never forget it.

Father kills his 2 daughters on his Birthday.

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Father kills his 2 daughters on his Birthday.

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Mother actually ...

PaintItBlack wrote:

Tomb wrote:

PaintItBlack wrote:

Tomb wrote:

I don't know if these 2 have been mentioned, but Lawrence Bittaker and Roy Norris are evil personified. If you can stomach the graphic details, I believe you can learn a lot about them on Wikipedia. There's also a documentary, The Devil and the Death Penalty, that focuses on this case. It happened either in the 70's or 80's, but trust me it is one of the most horrific crimes I've ever stumbled upon. Those 2 have given me hellish nightmares about their crimes.

And I work in a morgue, so yeah, not a lot phases me.

Here's the link: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

They raped, beat, turtured and mutilated their victims before finally killing them. They also recorded audio of several of the torture sessions. You can find the transcripts online if you were so inclined. I cried when I read the transcript of the recording of the last victim. The documentary also plays a portion of the recording and it gave me chills. When they played it during those monsters' trials, many people fled the courtroom, unable to bear it. It is haunting.

Evil? Eric and Dylan are not even on the same universe as these two.

I have read some about this nightmare of a case.
One of the worst things I've heard in my life yet.
It haunts me to think how those girls suffered when the ice picks were driven through their heads and the last poor girl who was tortured with pliers and a sledgehammer.
I actually start to get ill when I remember.

I know. When I pulled up their Wikipedia page, I had a visceral reaction. The ice pick was shoved through one victim's ear and when it didn't kill her, they turned her over and shoved it through the other ear. Still alive, those monsters stomped on it until the handle broke. She still didn't die. They ended up bludgeoning her to death with a sledgehammer.

They mutilated the victims while alive, tearing off their nipples and mutilating their gentials, laughing at those poor victims as they screamed and cried in pain.

It's rather telling it only took the jury 90 minutes to give Bittaker the death penalty, even though he still languishes there 30 some odd years later. To this day, he has no remorse and will sign his tasteless "artwork" and letters as Pliers Bittaker.

I know.I wish that if they were going to kill them they would have at least have done it quickly.But then seeing them suffer was part of the plan.The first girl, the one they kidnapped while she was walking home from church supposedly got off the easiest as she was strangled to death after being raped(if you can call that getting off easy) .But then again, this is according to the killers.
Her body was never found.No doubt destroyed by animals and the waters that flood the area where she was disposed of after a heavy rain.It's so hurtful to think of.  Who knows if that's how she really died?
Two of the victims bodies were never found so their families couldn't give them a proper resting place.
The whole "pliers" thing makes me ill.I'm not a big fan of the dp  and am glad I don't have to make those decisions but there are some people I can't say don't deserve it.The only explanation I have for these types of atrocities is demonic possession.

These two remind me of the Hillside Stranglers.Have you ever seen that poor girl with the broom? If you've ever seen it, you'll sadly never forget it.

No, thankfully I haven't. Almost like Eric and Dylan, you had 2 like-minded individuals meet and concoct a horrific plan. The planning alone and the modifications to the van to turn it into a torture chamber leads me to believe there is no hope ever for rehabilitation. John Douglas, retired FBI profiler, called Bittaker the worst offender he ever had the opportunity to profile.

Interestingly enough, the FBI plays the Shirley Ledford audiotape of her torture to new recruits to desensitize them.

PotatoSallad wrote:

PaintItBlack wrote:

Father kills his 2 daughters on his Birthday.

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Mother actually ...

Thanks for pointing that out.I was in a hurry and made a mistake.

Tomb wrote:

PaintItBlack wrote:

Tomb wrote:

PaintItBlack wrote:

Tomb wrote:

I don't know if these 2 have been mentioned, but Lawrence Bittaker and Roy Norris are evil personified. If you can stomach the graphic details, I believe you can learn a lot about them on Wikipedia. There's also a documentary, The Devil and the Death Penalty, that focuses on this case. It happened either in the 70's or 80's, but trust me it is one of the most horrific crimes I've ever stumbled upon. Those 2 have given me hellish nightmares about their crimes.

And I work in a morgue, so yeah, not a lot phases me.

Here's the link: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

They raped, beat, turtured and mutilated their victims before finally killing them. They also recorded audio of several of the torture sessions. You can find the transcripts online if you were so inclined. I cried when I read the transcript of the recording of the last victim. The documentary also plays a portion of the recording and it gave me chills. When they played it during those monsters' trials, many people fled the courtroom, unable to bear it. It is haunting.

Evil? Eric and Dylan are not even on the same universe as these two.

I have read some about this nightmare of a case.
One of the worst things I've heard in my life yet.
It haunts me to think how those girls suffered when the ice picks were driven through their heads and the last poor girl who was tortured with pliers and a sledgehammer.
I actually start to get ill when I remember.

I know. When I pulled up their Wikipedia page, I had a visceral reaction. The ice pick was shoved through one victim's ear and when it didn't kill her, they turned her over and shoved it through the other ear. Still alive, those monsters stomped on it until the handle broke. She still didn't die. They ended up bludgeoning her to death with a sledgehammer.

They mutilated the victims while alive, tearing off their nipples and mutilating their gentials, laughing at those poor victims as they screamed and cried in pain.

It's rather telling it only took the jury 90 minutes to give Bittaker the death penalty, even though he still languishes there 30 some odd years later. To this day, he has no remorse and will sign his tasteless "artwork" and letters as Pliers Bittaker.

I know.I wish that if they were going to kill them they would have at least have done it quickly.But then seeing them suffer was part of the plan.The first girl, the one they kidnapped while she was walking home from church supposedly got off the easiest as she was strangled to death after being raped(if you can call that getting off easy) .But then again, this is according to the killers.
Her body was never found.No doubt destroyed by animals and the waters that flood the area where she was disposed of after a heavy rain.It's so hurtful to think of.  Who knows if that's how she really died?
Two of the victims bodies were never found so their families couldn't give them a proper resting place.
The whole "pliers" thing makes me ill.I'm not a big fan of the dp  and am glad I don't have to make those decisions but there are some people I can't say don't deserve it.The only explanation I have for these types of atrocities is demonic possession.

These two remind me of the Hillside Stranglers.Have you ever seen that poor girl with the broom? If you've ever seen it, you'll sadly never forget it.

No, thankfully I haven't. Almost like Eric and Dylan, you had 2 like-minded individuals meet and concoct a horrific plan. The planning alone and the modifications to the van to turn it into a torture chamber leads me to believe there is no hope ever for rehabilitation. John Douglas, retired FBI profiler, called Bittaker the worst offender he ever had the opportunity to profile.

Interestingly enough, the FBI plays the Shirley Ledford audiotape of her torture to new recruits to desensitize them.  

Thanks for the information.A few things I didn't know. I'm glad those two are where they can't ever cause more harm.It's tragic but I do believe some people will always be predators.I don't think they could stop themselves from being predators until they became so old and infirm they could hardly move..
Another example of this is Richard Chase

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BTW,people talk about the responsibilities of E &D's parents.Richard Chase's parents are at least half responsible for what happened.

I don't mean this to be insensitive in any way, but I would much rather be shot in the head (I'm not referring to Columbine) where death is almost always instant (not always) than kidnapped, tortured, mutilated, repeatedly raped to the point you beg for death and finally murdered, all while being mocked and laughed at.

I completely agree, were they freed today, they would resume their sick actions.

This case is at the top of the ones that bother me most.

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Tomb wrote:

PaintItBlack wrote:

Tomb wrote:

PaintItBlack wrote:

Tomb wrote:

I don't know if these 2 have been mentioned, but Lawrence Bittaker and Roy Norris are evil personified. If you can stomach the graphic details, I believe you can learn a lot about them on Wikipedia. There's also a documentary, The Devil and the Death Penalty, that focuses on this case. It happened either in the 70's or 80's, but trust me it is one of the most horrific crimes I've ever stumbled upon. Those 2 have given me hellish nightmares about their crimes.

And I work in a morgue, so yeah, not a lot phases me.

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They raped, beat, turtured and mutilated their victims before finally killing them. They also recorded audio of several of the torture sessions. You can find the transcripts online if you were so inclined. I cried when I read the transcript of the recording of the last victim. The documentary also plays a portion of the recording and it gave me chills. When they played it during those monsters' trials, many people fled the courtroom, unable to bear it. It is haunting.

Evil? Eric and Dylan are not even on the same universe as these two.

I have read some about this nightmare of a case.
One of the worst things I've heard in my life yet.
It haunts me to think how those girls suffered when the ice picks were driven through their heads and the last poor girl who was tortured with pliers and a sledgehammer.
I actually start to get ill when I remember.

I know. When I pulled up their Wikipedia page, I had a visceral reaction. The ice pick was shoved through one victim's ear and when it didn't kill her, they turned her over and shoved it through the other ear. Still alive, those monsters stomped on it until the handle broke. She still didn't die. They ended up bludgeoning her to death with a sledgehammer.

They mutilated the victims while alive, tearing off their nipples and mutilating their gentials, laughing at those poor victims as they screamed and cried in pain.

It's rather telling it only took the jury 90 minutes to give Bittaker the death penalty, even though he still languishes there 30 some odd years later. To this day, he has no remorse and will sign his tasteless "artwork" and letters as Pliers Bittaker.

I know.I wish that if they were going to kill them they would have at least have done it quickly.But then seeing them suffer was part of the plan.The first girl, the one they kidnapped while she was walking home from church supposedly got off the easiest as she was strangled to death after being raped(if you can call that getting off easy) .But then again, this is according to the killers.
Her body was never found.No doubt destroyed by animals and the waters that flood the area where she was disposed of after a heavy rain.It's so hurtful to think of.  Who knows if that's how she really died?
Two of the victims bodies were never found so their families couldn't give them a proper resting place.
The whole "pliers" thing makes me ill.I'm not a big fan of the dp  and am glad I don't have to make those decisions but there are some people I can't say don't deserve it.The only explanation I have for these types of atrocities is demonic possession.

These two remind me of the Hillside Stranglers.Have you ever seen that poor girl with the broom? If you've ever seen it, you'll sadly never forget it.

No, thankfully I haven't. Almost like Eric and Dylan, you had 2 like-minded individuals meet and concoct a horrific plan. The planning alone and the modifications to the van to turn it into a torture chamber leads me to believe there is no hope ever for rehabilitation. John Douglas, retired FBI profiler, called Bittaker the worst offender he ever had the opportunity to profile.

Interestingly enough, the FBI plays the Shirley Ledford audiotape of her torture to new recruits to desensitize them.  

Thanks for the information.A few things I didn't know. I'm glad those two are where they can't ever cause more harm.It's tragic but I do believe some people will always be predators.I don't think they could stop themselves from being predators until they became so old and infirm they could hardly move..
Another example of this is Richard Chase

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BTW,people talk about the responsibilities of E &D's parents.Richard Chase's parents are at least half responsible for what happened.

Omg, what a sicko. And, YES, his mother in particular is in part responsible for the atrocities he committed. He should have never been released from the psychiatric facility in the first place.

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I don't mean this to be insensitive in any way, but I would much rather be shot in the head (I'm not referring to Columbine) where death is almost always instant (not always) than kidnapped, tortured, mutilated, repeatedly raped to the point you beg for death and finally murdered, all while being mocked and laughed at.

I completely agree, were they freed today, they would resume their sick actions.

This case is at the top of the ones that bother me most.

I totally agree.If someone is going to kill me, I would rather be shot and die fast than suffer the way these poor girls did.

To give a short answer to the original topic: no, I don't think Eric and Dylan were some of the most evil people.

To give a longer answer: they were aggressive and they killed without remorse, but

a.) the crimes you mention in this thread show at least as much cruelty and aggression;
b.) there are many people who never commit anything criminal - but they are malignant, do their best to destroy others' life or make others miserable - and, as the things they do are legally not punishable, they may continue their deeds...
c.) Eric and Dylan took their own lives, too.
I do not mean this justifies the murders they committed, but if I think about the serial killers who are actually fighting at court to save their own lives, so I see a slight difference. Is it only me?

Anyone who thinks E/D are anywhere near the most evil humans alive clearly hasn't done thier research. Go watch a few Mexican drug cartel or ISIS execution videos. It may sound sick to the "normal" folks of the world, but shooting a few kids hardly registers as the tip of the iceberg when it comes to evil deeds. E/D and every other mass shooter are tame compared to the violence exhibited by countless other people/organizations who have and currently exist in the world.

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The thing about what's going on between ISIS and the Cartels is that it happens almost regularly that it becomes a statistic, something we hear about any other day. Kinda like wars. YES, it is sick, I have seen the beheading videos raw but even when I did I felt dissociated from it. Columbine however, it's something so close to home. We remember EVERY victim by name, they're just like our friends, our siblings, and I feel in terms of how sick or how much it hurts hits harder.

For me, I feel if there's a premeditated crime sicker than what Eric and Dylan did is when parents sexually abuse or exploit their kids, even worse if they murder them. I feel harm done to babies and toddlers is worse off for me.

Yes what they did was evil, but there were far worse people out there.
Have they not heard of hitler?

Baby P was disgusting. Absolutely disgusting.
The mother and stepfather of Baby P should have a public execution where they are nailed to a piece of wood (like Jesus' cross, though I don't believe in god) and both burnt. They sicken me and I hope they only get misfortune and die a violent, gruesome death like their poor boy.

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Baby P was disgusting. Absolutely disgusting.
The mother and stepfather of Baby P should have a public execution where they are nailed to a piece of wood (like Jesus' cross, though I don't believe in god) and both burnt. They sicken me and I hope they only get misfortune and die a violent, gruesome death like their poor boy.

Baby P was pretty disgusting but I think the worst one I ever read about was Baby Brianna. What her own Mother, Father and Uncle did to her the entire 5 months she was alive, I can't even fathom anyone doing that to any baby let alone their own. They tortured her every single day. The things they did to her were unimaginable and I won't even type it out. All child abuse is sad but this one upsets me like no other and I think about that poor baby often.

On the subject, 2 month old baby in the microwave is pretty disturbing

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