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I was just watching this last night. Like the basement tape there should be a transcript. And do you know who the other guy was in the video also wearing a black shirt?
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If you read John Savage's statement, he describes the route he took when exiting.
In light of the evidence, the time fits and the description fits, in all likelihood that person was John Savage.
John Savage 000553-000574
he [Dylan] let me go, so I ran outside. I was sprinting at top speed, so I didn't see much of the school on the inside (I wish I'd gone slower and taken a better look), but I remember seeing a big blood stain on the carpet and one of the pop machines [cafeteria] was damaged.
Savage ran out of the library, down the hall, down the stairs and outside.
John Savage stated as he exited the library into the hall, he proceeded south at which time he recalled seeing "blood" in the carpet. John Savage reported the blood trail appeared to extend a short distance down the south hall.
John Savage continued with his explanation by stating he proceeded down the stairs to the commons area and then east down the foreign language hall until he could not go any further. John Savage stated he then turned to his right (south) and continued in that direction until he was able to exit the school. John Savage clarified from the point he was able to leave the library until he reached a point of safety, he believed he had been "running."
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Subject: Re: Full Cafeteria video. Thu Nov 14, 2013 11:55 pm
Man, seeing Dave Sanders in action in this video is crazy. You can really see just how focused he was on making sure kids were doing the safest thing possible at each moment.
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Subject: Re: Full Cafeteria video. Fri Nov 15, 2013 2:42 pm
Great OP, i know some members have downloaded various versions of the Cafeteria tape but sometimes these can be difference lengths or of different quality etc. So it's great to have one full tape we can all reference so there is no confusion.
sororityalpha wrote:
Actually, I noticed this a long time ago.
But, thank you for pointing this out.
If you read John Savage's statement, he describes the route he took when exiting.
In light of the evidence, the time fits and the description fits, in all likelihood that person was John Savage.
John Savage 000553-000574
he [Dylan] let me go, so I ran outside. I was sprinting at top speed, so I didn't see much of the school on the inside (I wish I'd gone slower and taken a better look), but I remember seeing a big blood stain on the carpet and one of the pop machines [cafeteria] was damaged.
Savage ran out of the library, down the hall, down the stairs and outside.
John Savage stated as he exited the library into the hall, he proceeded south at which time he recalled seeing "blood" in the carpet. John Savage reported the blood trail appeared to extend a short distance down the south hall.
John Savage continued with his explanation by stating he proceeded down the stairs to the commons area and then east down the foreign language hall until he could not go any further. John Savage stated he then turned to his right (south) and continued in that direction until he was able to exit the school. John Savage clarified from the point he was able to leave the library until he reached a point of safety, he believed he had been "running."
Thanks for the reference sororityalpha I have always been under the impression the person who is running down the stairs was John Savage.
fatlittleparasite wrote:
Man, seeing Dave Sanders in action in this video is crazy. You can really see just how focused he was on making sure kids were doing the safest thing possible at each moment.
It is isn't it, I always notice this every time i see the tape. Mr Sanders certainly was putting the safety of the kids before himself, I think this says a great deal about the kind of man he was. Such a huge shame he died the way he did.
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Subject: Re: Full Cafeteria video. Fri Jan 24, 2014 1:16 pm
I've seen this video quite a few times. I wonder who that kid was in the white shirt hiding under that table almost that whole ordeal? When E/D walked in he noticed them and ran out when Dylan's MC went off first. I wonder what he heard...
BTW after the first bomb partially detonated you see in one camera 3-4 more kids escaping. Which means they ALL saw and knew both shooters were in the Commons. I wonder how both of them didn't see that there were other kids there....
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Subject: Re: Full Cafeteria video. Fri Jan 24, 2014 1:24 pm
JohnnyB wrote:
I've seen this video quite a few times. I wonder who that kid was in the white shirt hiding under that table almost that whole ordeal? When E/D walked in he noticed them and ran out when Dylan's MC went off first. I wonder what he heard...
BTW after the first bomb partially detonated you see in one camera 3-4 more kids escaping. Which means they ALL saw and knew both shooters were in the Commons. I wonder how both of them didn't see that there were other kids there....
Dylan and Eric may have seen there were kids in the Cafeteria. At one point, didn't they go back into the kitchen and taunt some of the kids? They may have noticed the kids, but I think by the time they got into the Commons, they were more worried about getting the bombs to detonate than they were about shooting more people.
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Subject: Re: Full Cafeteria video. Fri Jan 24, 2014 4:28 pm
pp 003646-003647:
Joey Marcotte stated that she had seen the suspect come into the cafeteria wearing a black baseball hat, but she couldn't see his face very clear because it was covered up. But be was wearing an orange or white T-shirt with some kind of writing on it, that he bad a trench coat on, with some kind of automatic weapon. I asked Joey if she saw his hair, and she stated that she remembers that he had long curly black hair. I asked Joey if she could describe his pants and she stated that they were "real baggy" black jeans. I asked if the pants were some other type of material or jean material, Joey was certain they were jean material I then asked Joey where she was when she saw this individual,, and she stated that she was down on one knee (which she demonstrated), under table "E".
Joey stated that she was under the table about an hour and a half, and that she heard a lot of angry yelling and cussing from someone with a "deep dark mean and scary voice". I asked Joey if she could tell me what they said, and she stated that the voice stated 'Today is the day the world comes to an end, today is the day we die"
I asked Joey what else she remembered and she stated that she heard lots of explosions, and gunfire, and that the smoke started getting thick in the cafeteria, that's when she started crawling to the door to get out. I asked Joey which door she went out, and she stated that she went out by the "Rebel Store" doors, then she ran out into the parking lot and hid by some cars on the south side by a "big" fence at the last row to the west in the Senior lot.
I asked Joey if she had seen anyone else, and she stated that she had. I asked her to describe that suspect for me. Joey stated that he was wearing a blue baseball cap, and that he and blonde hair. The suspect was wearing a white T-shirt with some kind of ammunition vest that was black, and he had regular blue jeans on. I asked her if there was anything else she could remember about him and she stated that his T-shirt was splattered with blood. I asked Joey who she thought that was, and she stated that she thought it was Dylan.
I asked Joey what time she first saw these guys, and she stated that she believed it was 11:20 AM.
That was when she first saw "Eric" ran by the window of the cafeteria, headed toward the stairs. He put down a black duffel bag with 2 handles, she remembers him having on a trench coat and seeing pipe bombs and shotgun shells hanging on his chest, and he had a small handgun in his hand.
Joey went on to say that all this had occurred before the sprinklers went off, and during that time both of them were shooting when they came down the stairs into the Cafeteria.
Joey believed that she was about 2 or 3 feet from them while they were shooting. I asked Joey what they were shooting with and she stated that they both had shotguns, but thought they were shooting with something else.
Joey stated that she could smell gas and saw the propane tank, that was what they were shooting at
I asked Joey if there was anything else she could tell me about the incident and she stated that she remembers that during prom week someone had put super glue in all the door locks of the school and none of the doors would lock, everything was open. I asked Joey if she knew who had done that or if any one bad taken responsibility and she stated no.
pp 009028-009031:
Her last class ended at 11:10, and she thinks she got to the cafeteria at about 11:15.
She heard shots outside. At first, she didn't know what they were. She thought it was a senior prank.
A janitor ran up to her table and said to get down and said that "they" had a gun. That's when she saw a "guy" run by with a gun in his hand.
She got down and crawled towards the stairs. She saw other people running up the stairs and heard more shots.
She said that she got under a table by the stairs by the school store, on the far end of the cafeteria. She was under the table and she said that shot gun shells were by her legs and she heard a bunch of explosions. She said that she heard a lot of gunshots, but could not tell me how many.
Joey said that one gun she saw was like a rifle. She said that the blasts from the gun were making her hair move. They were close. She said that bullets were "spraying". She said, "I just crouched down there. I remember the very last blast because it blew out the window.
They were laughing as they threw the bombs and shot people. They said "Today the world' s going to come to an end. Today's the day we die."
Joey said that there was fire near her back. She said, "I looked around and I looked back. They were standing there smiling and looking at what they had done."
She left the cafeteria and ran to the senior parking lot. She said that she ducked behind a car and saw a policeman and felt safer. She was then taken to a police car and frisked.
Joey said that she saw only one guy at first. He was wearing a black trench coat. When asked if she recognized him, she said that he looked like someone from school. She said that now she knows it was Eric Harris. She said, "Now that I think about it, it may have been the trench coat, and not the fuzzy hair that I saw." Joey said that when she saw the second person with Eric, it was Dylan Klebold. She had recognized him from school. She first recognized his blonde hair.
Joey said that neither one of them had pack packs or duffle bags when she saw them.
When she hid under the table, the people around her were gone.
She knows of no internet correspondence of Eric's and Dylan's.
When asked who else Eric and Dylan hung out with, she said, "They hung out together."
Joey said that she saw Eric and Dylan at school in the halls, that morning. She said that Eric didn't have a trench coat on. Eric was wearing a bright orange t-shirt and jeans.
Joey said that a few weeks before the shooting, someone super-glued the key locks at the school.
pp 010012-010013:
Joey Marcotte was visibly shaken.
She had seen two males in the cafeteria, while she was in the cafeteria, shooting guns and throwing hand grenades.
She stated one was a white male, about 5'08" to 6'00" tall, real skinny, wearing a blue ball cap, short blond hair, a white t-shirt that had blood on it, and he appeared to be sweaty, and he was wearing an ammo vest with hand grenades and bullets on it. I asked her what type of a gun he had, and she stated he had what appeared to be a long gun, possibly a shotgun. I asked her to describe how he used it, and she stated he would pump it from near the barrel and then shoot it. She stated he was also wearing baggy blue jeans and tennis shoes.
Marcotte stated the other male was a white male with long black fuzzy hair like it had been blown in the wind, wearing a black ball cap, real baggy blue jeans, a bright orange shirt, a black coat, tennis shoes, and she stated he had a handgun and grenades, and that they were both in the cafeteria.
Marcotte stated she was hiding under a table and heard one of them say, "Let's blow this fucking school up." Marcotte stated that the males were laughing as they threw hand grenades, and someone near her told her to shut up and get down. Marcotte stated they were right behind her. Marcotte stated she heard people screaming while she heard the shooting and explosions. I asked her how far away these two males were from her, and she stated not even five feet away.
Marcotte stated she ran out from underneath the table, out a door, because of a fire in the cafeteria.
She saw a guy with a black jacket on the roof.
I asked Marcotte what time this started, and she stated it started right after lunch started, between 1115 and 1130 hours.
I asked her what time she got outside, and she stated about 1:45 p.m.. Marcotte stated when she got outside, she ducked down behind a car on the south side of the school.
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Subject: Re: Full Cafeteria video. Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:05 am
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Subject: Re: Full Cafeteria video. Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:06 am
MrHorror93700 wrote:
Video has been deleted by YouTube, After 6 years
(Published on Aug 25, 2012, ColumbineArchives1, near 4 millions views)
Not only are we suffering from fake Basement Tapes Leaks. Now, even evidence items are getting removed. YouTube needs to be replaced with a website that are not runned by pussies.
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Subject: Re: Full Cafeteria video. Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:15 am
Daniel768 wrote:
MrHorror93700 wrote:
Video has been deleted by YouTube, After 6 years
(Published on Aug 25, 2012, ColumbineArchives1, near 4 millions views)
Not only are we suffering from fake Basement Tapes Leaks. Now, even evidence items are getting removed. YouTube needs to be replaced with a website that are not runned by pussies.
WTF! Why would they leave it up for so long then all of a sudden deem it unfit for the general public? Makes no sense.
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Subject: Re: Full Cafeteria video. Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:25 am
YT has been cleaning the site of what it feels is unfit. It started with monetized stuff and made its way down. They are removing tons of things that have no business being removed. Google taking over YT has been a horrible thing. They are interested in money and what is ad friendly.
Sure a guy showing a dead body to a bunch of children is ok until reported but other things are removed right away.
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Subject: Re: Full Cafeteria video. Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:30 am
Seriously people save anything that can be saved, as Lizpuff stated YT is apparently doing a cleansing.
Who knows what will be deleted next, or what will just be flagged and not even allowed anymore.
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Subject: Re: Full Cafeteria video. Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:52 pm
Should move things over to dailymotion or something similar, I guess.
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Subject: Re: Full Cafeteria video. Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:53 pm
Subject: Re: Full Cafeteria video. Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:11 am
I hate it when people think zero day's library scene is legit some kid at my school acted like he was cool because he found that but cmon they used m1 carbines and revolvers in zero day, not even close to the real arsenal lol.
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Subject: Re: Full Cafeteria video. Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:32 am
eldigato wrote:
I hate it when people think zero day's library scene is legit some kid at my school acted like he was cool because he found that but cmon they used m1 carbines and revolvers in zero day, not even close to the real arsenal lol.
People arguing that the Zero Day scene is the "real Columbine library CCTV footage" is the next annoying thing next to the fake "Basement Tapes" leaks.
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Subject: Re: Full Cafeteria video. Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:48 am
Daniel768 wrote:
eldigato wrote:
I hate it when people think zero day's library scene is legit some kid at my school acted like he was cool because he found that but cmon they used m1 carbines and revolvers in zero day, not even close to the real arsenal lol.
People arguing that the Zero Day scene is the "real Columbine library CCTV footage" is the next annoying thing next to the fake "Basement Tapes" leaks.
Agreed. Anyone who knows anything about Columbine, the layout of the school, etc. would know that Zero Day was so far from what the library looked like that its laughable.
I hate it when people think zero day's library scene is legit some kid at my school acted like he was cool because he found that but cmon they used m1 carbines and revolvers in zero day, not even close to the real arsenal lol.
Dude that was real man, I swear to god, dead ass that was the real one. You must just be closed minded and you must believe everything the media tells you, that was the real one, yeah it was in the movie zero hour, but in that same movie its just the basement tapes. Its real, trust me.
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Subject: Re: Full Cafeteria video. Tue May 22, 2018 8:22 am
that sad moment when you skip over it all these many times and then the one time you wanna watch it and see the unfortunate events that went down it was taken down...
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Subject: Re: Full Cafeteria video. Thu May 24, 2018 3:41 am
Daniel768 wrote:
eldigato wrote:
I hate it when people think zero day's library scene is legit some kid at my school acted like he was cool because he found that but cmon they used m1 carbines and revolvers in zero day, not even close to the real arsenal lol.
You are aware they didn't even have sidearms right? They didn't even have an M1 Carbine Eric used a Hi-Point model 995 carbine rifle and a pump action shotgun he called Arlene named after a Doom character and Dylan used a 9MM Semi-Automatic Tec9 and a sawn-off double barrel shotgun and they both carried a variety of knives
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Subject: columbine shooting Mon Oct 01, 2018 6:14 pm
the library video, the one youtube remove. columbine shot
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Subject: Re: Full Cafeteria video. Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:42 am
Any updates? None of these links are live as of 09/16/19
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Subject: Re: Full Cafeteria video. Wed Oct 16, 2019 9:13 am
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] you can search for them on YouTube or they can be downloaded from Jeffco's site. Daniel768 likely has them on his channel if it is still up.
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Subject: Re: Full Cafeteria video. Wed Oct 16, 2019 9:17 am
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Subject: Re: Full Cafeteria video. Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:33 pm
You have to enter some information but you will find a link to the form on the bottom of this page: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
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Subject: Re: Full Cafeteria video. Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:36 pm
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Subject: Re: Full Cafeteria video. Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:46 pm
I don't think they sell the CDs anymore. Enter your information and it will show a link to go to for downloading the documents, including the videos. I've done it. But I can't link you to it because it needs the information first.
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Subject: Re: Full Cafeteria video. Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:49 pm
Here is the page that contains the link I posted here. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
It says they don't sell CDs and that they are available for download.
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Subject: Re: Full Cafeteria video. Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:52 pm
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Subject: Re: Full Cafeteria video. Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:56 pm
You're welcome, and yes, I have downloaded all of the full videos from Jeffco.
For those that don't want to download them from Jeffco, you can watch the fire department video here:
And the full cafeteria cctv here:
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Subject: Re: Full Cafeteria video. Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:59 pm
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Subject: Re: Full Cafeteria video. Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:00 pm
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Subject: Re: Full Cafeteria video. Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:04 pm
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Subject: Re: Full Cafeteria video. Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:10 pm
MrHorror93700 wrote:
Everyone must directly download the files on jeffco's website to get a better quality
This is actually not true. I believe some youtube videos are better quality than what Jeffco has uploaded. My Jeffco video tapes are of better quality than what Jeffco has uploaded, which doesn't make a whole bunch of sense but the tapes that were sold were probably copied off of their tapes before their's degraded a bit and before they were uploaded online.
I'm not sure I understand your last post, you've been searching for the full HQ CCTV tapes since 2016? Do you mean the actual video tapes?
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Subject: Re: Full Cafeteria video. Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:18 pm
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Subject: Re: Full Cafeteria video. Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:49 pm
I’m not sure what got me watching the cafeteria video tonight, but has anyone noticed at around 37:59, right after it goes back to full screen from 4, a girl in the middle of the crowd gets shoved by a boy and the very next frame a different girl gets shoved by a guy in a white hat. I never noticed it before or heard it mentioned.