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PostSubject: Body temperature    Body temperature  Icon_minitimeSat Apr 30, 2016 3:22 am

Of the twelve dead bodies in the library, could the coroner determine the order they died in since they died within minutes/seconds of each other?
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PostSubject: Re: Body temperature    Body temperature  Icon_minitimeSun May 01, 2016 8:33 pm

I think that the order in which they died was determined by the type of wound and by eyewitness accounts.

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PostSubject: Re: Body temperature    Body temperature  Icon_minitimeMon May 02, 2016 4:04 am

I agree with [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. I think they had to piece it together by eyewitness accounts. They left the bodies both inside and outside the school for a night. By that time they would all be cold.

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PostSubject: Re: Body temperature    Body temperature  Icon_minitimeMon May 02, 2016 7:31 am

Body temperature drops about 1.5 degrees F every hour until the body either reaches the temperature outside or room temperature if it's inside. Saying the inside of the school was 70 degrees F, it would take the bodies roughly 20-21 hours to cool down to room temperature. So it would be possible to figure out what time each person died. However, being that they all died so close together (we're talking a matter of minutes) it would be extremely hard to determine in what order they died since body temperature drops at a very slow rate with the best estimate being 1.5 degrees F an hour. If they had been shot hours apart, then maybe but not when you have 11 people all shot within 15 minutes or so of each other.

With the exception of Dave Sanders, I am pretty certain all of them died shortly after being shot which would most likely make the order of death the same as the order in which they were shot in.

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PostSubject: Re: Body temperature    Body temperature  Icon_minitimeThu May 05, 2016 7:41 am

NotYourRobot wrote:
Of the twelve dead bodies in the library, could the coroner determine the order they died in since they died within minutes/seconds of each other?

I'm pretty sure this was determined by eye witnesses, ballistics, and some forensics too.
I'm convinced the order that is officially accepted, is the correct order.
Now maybe in cases when both people were shot at the same time or a split second in between each other, one may of took their last breath slightly before the other,
but obviously EXACT on the dot timing is impossible.
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PostSubject: Re: Body temperature    Body temperature  Icon_minitimeMon May 16, 2016 10:56 pm

What is the "officially accepted order?
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PostSubject: Re: Body temperature    Body temperature  Icon_minitimeMon May 16, 2016 11:14 pm

According to what I can find online Order:

1)Rachel Scott
2)Daniel Rohrbourgh
3)Dave Sanders (3rd to be shot of the dead but last to die)
4)Kyle Velasquez
5)Steven Curnow
6)Cassie Bernall
7)Isaiah Shoels
8)Matt Kechter
9)Lauren Townsend
10)John Tomlin
11)Kelly Fleming
12)Daniel Mauser
13)Corey Depooter
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PostSubject: Re: Body temperature    Body temperature  Icon_minitimeMon May 16, 2016 11:59 pm

I thought Lauren and Kelly were under the same table, right next to each other? Eric and Dylan really seemed particularly angry at that one specific table of girls, nearly everybody under there was shot more than once, I'm surprised more than two didn't die
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PostSubject: Re: Body temperature    Body temperature  Icon_minitimeTue May 17, 2016 12:31 am

NotYourRobot wrote:
I thought Lauren and Kelly were under the same table, right next to each other? Eric and Dylan really seemed particularly angry at that one specific table of girls, nearly everybody under there was shot more than once, I'm surprised more than two didn't die

Yes, Kelly was with Lauren. However They shot under the table to kill Lauren, then they taunted Val with the God question, shot at John Tomlin and Nicole Nowlen and then went back and killed Kelly
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PostSubject: Re: Body temperature    Body temperature  Icon_minitimeTue May 17, 2016 1:09 am

SUMMARY OF EVENTS OCCURRING IN THE LIBRARY:

Witnesses in the Columbine High School library began to hear what was described as popping noises coming from the northwest outside area of the school. A short time later witnesses described hearing what they now believed were gunshots and explosions inside the school. Some of the witnesses described hearing those sounds emanating from the commons area, in addition to directly outeide the library During that time frame, both Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold are seen in the hall directly outside the library. Enc Harris is subsequently seen in the hall outside the library throwing a lit device (resembling "dynamite") in a southerly direction. Moments later there is an explosion in the hall directly outside the library.

Eric Harris enters the library and he is seen firing two shotgun rounds in a westerly direction with a pump action shotgun (pellets). Flying wood splinters injures Evan Todd, who is hiding behind a copier stand. Both Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold are then described entering the library and moving in a westerly direction. Dylan Klebold is subsequently seen shooting a double barrel shotgun (pellets) towards the north computer table as he moves west past the main counter of the library. (The investigation disclosed Kyle Velasquez was shot twice with shotgun pellets while
seated at the north computer table.)

Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold are next seen setting down backpacks on the southeast corner of the south computer table. Both suspects are then seen walking west between the north and south computer tables. Witnesses reported Dylan Klebold stopped at the west end of the computer tables while Eric Harris continued around and then began walking south. After arriving on the south side of the computer tables, Eric Harris got down on his left knee and began shooting out the west library
windows. According to witnesses, Dylan Klebold subsequently positioned himself east of Eric Harris and ducked down. Witnesses reported Klebold subsequently fired a weapon in the direction of the west windows.

Dylan Klebold is next seen dropping his black trench coat just to the north side of table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. During that same time frame, Eric Harris is seen shooting Steven Curnow with a pump action shotgun (slug). Eric Harris is then seen shooting Kacey Reugsegger with the same pumn action shotgun (slug).

According to witnesses, Eric Harris then walked to the south side of table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] where he slapped the table top twice with his left hand and states, "Peek-a-boo." Eric Harris then points the pump action shotgun under table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] (held in his right hand) and shoots Cassie Bernall (pellets). After shooting Cassie Bernall, Eric Harris turned to Bree Pasquale and asked her if she wanted to die. Bree Pasquale begged for her life during which time she observed blood began to flow from Eric Harris' nose.

Dylan Klebold is next described firing a shotgun in a southerly direction at table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] hitting Daniel Steepieton and Makai Hall with pellet rounds. As Patrick Ireland attempts to administer first aid to Hall, he is shot with a second shotgun round (pellets).

Witnesses next described Isaiah Shoels as he was scooting backwards to the east while under table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. Dylan Klebold subsequently moves to the east side of table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and is seen grabbing Isaiah Shoels in an effort to pull him from underneath the table. During the same time franie Eric Harris moves towards table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] (from the west) and fires the pump action shotgun (slug) shooting Shoels. Klebold is then observed firing a double barrel shotgun under table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] from the east side, shooting Kechter with a slug round.

While standing to the west side of table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], Eric Harris is seen throwing a device referred to as a "cricket" in a southerly direction. The device rolled under table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] making contact with Daniel Steepleton's body. The device is retrieved by Makai Hall and thrown to the south, where It explodes. Around that same time frame witnesses describe seeing smoke rising from the abdominal area of Matthew Kechter, who was located under table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. (Note: this is the area where Harris was standing when he threw the "cricket" and there is a clear match strike mark on top of table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].)

Witnesses next describe Eric Harris as he moves south in the library to the west bookshelves where he jumps up on the shelves and begins shaking them back and forth swearing Eric Harris then walks between the bookshelves (moving in an easterly direction) where witnesses lose sight of him.
Witnesses did report hearing books being shot in the area near the west set of bookshelves shortly after Eric Harris walked into that area. At the same time witnesses explained seeing Dylan Klebold walking on the north side of the library (south of the main counter) moving in an easterly direction.

Dylan Klebold continues moving east, stopping near the entrance to the library (north of the display case). Dylan Klebold then fires a Tech 9 into the display case. Witnesses reported Dylan Klebold then moved back around the display case and fired one double barrel shotgun round (pellets) under table
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] hitting Mark Kintgen. Dylan Kleboid then stepped east towards table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and fired one double barrel shotgun round (pellets) under that same table, hitting both Valeen Schnurr and Lisa Kreutz. Klebold then continued walking south along the west side of table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], firing multiple rounds (rapid fashion) with the Tech 9 under that same table, hitting Townsend.

Witnesses subsequently see Eric Harris entering the east section of the library (near table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]) from a pathway between the bookshelves. Dylan Klebold subsequently moves west of table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] near where Eric Harris is standing, after which one of the suspects looked under that same table and states, "Pathetic."

Witnesses next describe both Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold moving to the south of table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] where it is reported they begin reloading. It is during this time frame one of the suspects begins taunting Valeen Schnurr regarding her belief in God.

Eric Harris is next seen stepping east towards table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and pointing the pump action shotgun under that table firing twice (pellets) hitting both Nicole Nowlen and John Tomlin At approximately the same time Dylan Klebold moves south/east past table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] standing near John Tomlin (now lying on the east side of table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]) where he then shoots the forenamed four times with the Tech 9.

Eric Harris is next seen moving northeast of table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], where he shoots Kelly Fleming once with a pump action shotgun (pellets). Once Eric Harris has repositioned himself to the east side of table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], he then again fires the pump action shotgun under table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], hitting Lauren Townsend, Jeanna Park and Lisa Kreutz with pellets. Eric Harris subsequently walks to the south library windows and begins damaging the blinds as he looks out into the south parking lot and comments about the police.

Witnesses report Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold then passed through the east side bookshelves in the center section where another reloading process took place at table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. During that time Eric Harris was seen walking north through the center section to the south computer table where he gained access to the blue backpack reportedly containing ammunition. Eric Harris then returned to an area near table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. While at that location Eric Harris asked a student under table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] to identify himself. The student identified himself as John Savage. Eric Harris then moved north of table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] as Dylan Klebold made contact with John Savage. Dylan Klebold eventually told John Savage to leave the library, which he does. While standing north of table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], Eric Harris then shot Daniel Mauser twice (who was located under table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]) with a high point carbine rifle.

Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold then moved south in the library towards table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. Dylan Klebold then begins firing under table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] with his Tech 9, hitting Corey DePooter. Eric Harris then begins firing with the high point carbine rifle under the same table, hitting Corey DePooter and Jennifer Doyle. (Note: A fourth 9 mm. round was fired under table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] hitting Austin Eubanks. The origin of that round cannot be determined.)

Witnesses reported Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris then moved north in the center section of the library and are seen together as they pass by the east side of table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris then proceed to the southeast corner of the far south computer table. Eric Harris is then seen throwing a device with an orange liquid (southerly direction) in the west section of the library. There was no sound associated with that device being thrown.

Witnesses reported Dylan Klebold then walked around behind the main counter from the west while Eric Harris walked around the counter from the east. At that point Dylan Klebold confronts and threatens Evan Todd, who is now hiding behind the main counter. The investigation revealed Dylan Klebold turned away from Evan Todd and fired a 9 mm round back into the "kitchen" area of the library, striking a television. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris next discussed leaving the library and going to the "commons." Prior to leaving the library Dylan Klebold slams a chair down on a computer terminal (located on the main counter). Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris subsequently leave the library. Note - From the point the suspects entered the library until the time they left was approximately 7 1/2 minutes.)

Most victims and witnesses begin to leave the library, exiting out the north door. A short time later Patricia Nielsen crawls into the break room ("kitchen") and hides in a cupboard. Carol Weld and Lois Keen remain hidden in the television studio. Peggy Dodd was hiding in the periodicals room. All the above named remained in the library until they were evacuated by SWAT. Note - Patrick Ireland laid near table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] seriously injured and later climbed out a west window. Lisa Kreutz laid seriously injured under table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and was evacuated by SWAT.
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PostSubject: Re: Body temperature    Body temperature  Icon_minitimeTue May 17, 2016 2:01 am

7 and a half minutes? That's so sad, I thought it was more like 26.
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PostSubject: Re: Body temperature    Body temperature  Icon_minitimeTue May 17, 2016 2:16 am

What does this mean: "While standing to the west side of table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], Eric Harris is seen throwing a device referred to as a "cricket" in a southerly direction. The device rolled under table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] making contact with Daniel Steepleton's body. The device is retrieved by Makai Hall and thrown to the south, where It explodes. Around that same time frame witnesses describe seeing smoke rising from the abdominal area of Matthew Kechter, who was located under table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. (Note: this is the area where Harris was standing when he threw the "cricket" and there is a clear match strike mark on top of table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].)" Did Eric set off a bomb near/on Matt? How was Craig Scott not hurt?
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PostSubject: Re: Body temperature    Body temperature  Icon_minitimeTue May 17, 2016 6:44 am

NotYourRobot wrote:
What does this mean: "While standing to the west side of table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], Eric Harris is seen throwing a device referred to as a "cricket" in a southerly direction. The device rolled under table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] making contact with Daniel Steepleton's body. The device is retrieved by Makai Hall and thrown to the south, where It explodes. Around that same time frame witnesses describe seeing smoke rising from the abdominal area of Matthew Kechter, who was located under table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. (Note: this is the area where Harris was standing when he threw the "cricket" and there is a clear match strike mark on top of table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].)" Did Eric set off a bomb near/on Matt? How was Craig Scott not hurt?

Yes. Eric threw a C02 "cricket bomb" under table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. It hit Dan's body and stopped right next to Makai Hall,
who quickly picked it up and threw it southward away from their table when it exploded, saving them from any damage that cricket might of caused.
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PostSubject: Re: Body temperature    Body temperature  Icon_minitimeThu Jun 15, 2017 4:04 am

slippy123 wrote:
Yes. Eric threw a C02 "cricket bomb" under table [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. It hit Dan's body and stopped right next to Makai Hall,
who quickly picked it up and threw it southward away from their table when it exploded, saving them from any damage that cricket might of caused.

For some reason, I always thought it was the match that caused the burn. I was like, "How does a match cause 3rd degree burns?"

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