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Subject: Randy Stair Footage? Sat Sep 16, 2017 7:22 pm
Is there any footage of Randy stair during the Weis Market shooting, and if there isn't would the FBI/Police still have it and would they release any of it to the public in the coming years?
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Subject: Re: Randy Stair Footage? Sat Sep 16, 2017 7:56 pm
I too would like to know if anyone has this footage, although I highly doubt it will ever be released if it hasn't already been.
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Subject: Re: Randy Stair Footage? Mon Sep 18, 2017 6:38 am
There must be footage of it considering it's a supermarket, of course they'd have CCTV. I hope they release it...
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Subject: Re: Randy Stair Footage? Mon Sep 18, 2017 6:46 am
InsaneIntruder wrote:
There must be footage of it considering it's supermarket, of course they'd have CCTV. I hope they release it...
I agree, there is CCTV footage. It may never be released, but I'm certain it exists.
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Subject: Re: Randy Stair Footage? Mon Sep 18, 2017 7:17 am
I read that he was seen on the CCTV footage walking up behind one of the girls but that he didn't shoot her, he decided to walk down a different aisle instead.
"Stair then went back to the crew area in the rear of the store, blocked the remaining exits, then locked the main automatic doors at the main entrance to the store. He then pulled out two pistol grip pump action shotguns. He walked around the store and killed three other employees. He then approached another co-worker, Kristan Newell, who had not heard the firing of rounds due to her listening to music with headphones while she was labeling items and stocking shelves near the rear of the store.[5] Stair was seen in CCTV surveillance cameras standing behind the woman as she worked for about 5 seconds. Stair then proceeded to the next aisle.[6] After this, Stair proceeded to fire at glass and other merchandise in the store and shot multiple small portable propane tanks, which failed to explode. Around this time the woman took off her headphones; hearing the gunshots, she hid in the crew room and called 9-1-1. After a short time after Stair finished shooting items. He went to the deli section of the store and put the shotgun in his mouth and then killed himself. A total of 59 shots were fired. All shotgun rounds came from one of the shotguns. The other was a backup shotgun."
So according to this, yes, there is CCTV footage and Randy even said in one of his videos that he wanted to make sure he was seen on the CCTV cameras that way we'd be able to see the massacre take place. However, I don't think it will ever be released. The 911 call, maybe, but not the CCTV footage.
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Subject: Re: Randy Stair Footage? Sun Oct 01, 2017 1:58 am
Are there pictures of his suicides like Eric and Dylan's suicide?
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Subject: Re: Randy Stair Footage? Sun Oct 01, 2017 10:29 am
I am sure there are pictures, but I don't think they have ever been released.
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Subject: Re: Randy Stair Footage? Sun Oct 01, 2017 4:13 pm
DooMRebel wrote:
Are there pictures of his suicides like Eric and Dylan's suicide?
How exactly do you know this?
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Subject: Re: Randy Stair Footage? Sun Oct 01, 2017 4:22 pm
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Subject: Re: Randy Stair Footage? Fri Nov 10, 2017 11:44 pm
No actual footage, but this is an extremely realistic interpretation of what happened, I'm sure everyone's already seen it though.
wow i really feel for the familys the victims and randys what a tragic ordeal its sutch a stange thing in one of his videos didnt he say that some girl ratchel bought one of the guns i wonder how gulty she feel s if thats true
How many gallons of milk did Rando shoot during the rampage?
Well if you have watched his shooting range videos then its safe to assume not very many were harmed.
This made me laugh a lot more than it probably should have
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Subject: Re: Randy Stair Footage? Thu Apr 19, 2018 5:05 am
pess1mist wrote:
ShadowedGoddess wrote:
Ziamber II wrote:
How many gallons of milk did Rando shoot during the rampage?
Well if you have watched his shooting range videos then its safe to assume not very many were harmed.
This made me laugh a lot more than it probably should have
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Subject: Re: Randy Stair Footage? Thu Apr 19, 2018 6:20 am
His mind was blown.
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Subject: Re: Randy Stair Footage? Mon Aug 06, 2018 12:30 am
ShadowedGoddess wrote:
spoona wrote:
does anyone know a link where i could see some wies market crime scene photos
To my knowledge the security cam footage, crime scene photos, etc. have never been leaked or released.
Does anyone know how we got the Columbine suicide photos? A part of me would like to see how Randy's body/head looked after he shotgun blasted it.
I think, macabre as it sounds, he would want the world to see.
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Subject: Re: Randy Stair Footage? Mon Aug 06, 2018 2:23 am
Whysomangry wrote:
ShadowedGoddess wrote:
spoona wrote:
does anyone know a link where i could see some wies market crime scene photos
To my knowledge the security cam footage, crime scene photos, etc. have never been leaked or released.
Does anyone know how we got the Columbine suicide photos? A part of me would like to see how Randy's body/head looked after he shotgun blasted it.
I think, macabre as it sounds, he would want the world to see.
Yea, we got them because The National Enquirer released them back in 2002.
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Subject: Re: Randy Stair Footage? Mon Aug 06, 2018 10:12 am
Whysomangry wrote:
ShadowedGoddess wrote:
spoona wrote:
does anyone know a link where i could see some wies market crime scene photos
To my knowledge the security cam footage, crime scene photos, etc. have never been leaked or released.
Does anyone know how we got the Columbine suicide photos? A part of me would like to see how Randy's body/head looked after he shotgun blasted it.
I think, macabre as it sounds, he would want the world to see.
Guy filmed his planned massacre route through the supermarket . Of course he would like everyone to see the actual CCTV footage. In his vids he even says that he changed his plan to start the attack when "nobody is in the back". He could have easily shot someone in the back area, the reason he doesn't do it is because there was no CCTV in there. He wanted to kill all of them on CCTV.
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Subject: Re: Randy Stair Footage? Tue Mar 26, 2019 7:48 am
One question: Did Randy Stair livestreamed the shooting and nobody saw/shared it?
In “The Drive 03 - June 02, 2017” (A.K.A. “The one with the potholes” XD), 59:10, Randy said: “…and I was talking about before of how I was gonna record everything in my pocket, when I was shooting everything, and I decided to do it live on facebook, so people can record it themselves…” “…So, I decided to broadcast it live on facebook… we’ll see how that works. Better record the whole thing. And the very end maybe I’ll get it on video.” (So, apparently he was going to livestream just the audio, with the cell phone in his pocket; and film just the end of the shooting… at least that’s what I get from that).
In May 29th, he was still talking about just record the audio in his pocket, and that only the police would hear it… and I didn’t find any other mention of a livestream after this video; in the diary, in other videos, or in internet articles covering what happened. So, the followers of Randy saw/heard the video at the time, and flag it/did not shared it; and now the video is forever lost? Did Randy just recorded the audio without sharing it, like he first intended?
I don’t think that he recorded the video/audio (he would have probably mentioned it a bit more, and also the news), but I still found interesting that he said that…
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Subject: Re: Randy Stair Footage? Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:04 am
I doubt it'll ever be released because the shooting isn't very well known. I would like to see it for myself though.
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Subject: Re: Randy Stair Footage? Sun Apr 21, 2019 5:58 pm
Is there like a way to request footage from CCTV
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Subject: Re: Randy Stair Footage? Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:45 am
JustAnotherEdgelord wrote:
Is there like a way to request footage from CCTV
Freedom of Information Act request.
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Anybody could easily do a FOIA request and obtain it. If someone obtained 7 year old photos of Adam Lanza, i'm pretty sure an event of this size could easily be obtainable.
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This video, upload to Youtube in 2011, it’s of someone driving from Dallas to Tunkhannock, Pennsylvania. This happens to also be the route that (probably) Randy Stair used everyday to go to work (or at least part of it… I checked with google maps). At 8: 46 you can see a sign of Weis Market.
Subject: Re: Randy Stair Footage? Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:12 am
Also, a few interesting things that I saw with Google Street View:
-There’s a small cemetery not too far from the Weis Market (you can see it in the video at 8: 08). That place probably helped fuel Randy’s fantasies with death and ghosts, in the last years of his life.
-There’s a sign of suicide prevention in the parking lot of Weis Market (the image in Google it’s from October of 2018)
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Subject: Re: Randy Stair Footage? Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:49 am
Alex213 wrote:
(I post this here just to not open another topic)
This video, upload to Youtube in 2011, it’s of someone driving from Dallas to Tunkhannock, Pennsylvania. This happens to also be the route that (probably) Randy Stair used everyday to go to work (or at least part of it… I checked with google maps). At 8: 46 you can see a sign of Weis Market.
Neat video. Considering we (or at least I) have watched him in his rants driving around, but you only can see the tops of trees. It is interesting to see more of the actual area. Very rural
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I guess I will throw in here every little detail I can found, about the case…
-A video of Randy reading his journal from elementary school. Was originally posted in his Instagram account (in March 4th, 2017), and (I think… I didn’t download everything) wasn’t uploaded to the Mediafire account: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
-There’s also a short video, recorded in April 20th, 2017, in Youtube (it last 50 seconds). It’s an “intro” to the audio recording he did about Columbine that day. I can’t post it here because he’s holding a shotgun. I guess this video is from his Instagram account also, but I don’t really know.
-And a podcast about the case, that I found recently. It’s well done, and it doesn’t include many parts of Randy’s audio recordings (like other podcasts/videos). Part 1: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Part 2: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
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Subject: Re: Randy Stair Footage? Sat Jul 20, 2019 12:06 am
Has the suicide picture of Randy ever been found ?
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Subject: Re: Randy Stair Footage? Sat Jul 20, 2019 1:35 am
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Has the suicide picture of Randy ever been found ?
No… nothing was leaked, from the police investigation, as far as I know. I would guess that he looked similar to Vladislav Roslyakov: Both were blonde, had a white shirt and black pants, and both used a shotgun and did the “Eric Harris way” (I think… I don’t know much about Vlad). Just picture a shelf filled with cans, instead of books, in the background… a white floor... and some eyeliner in Randy’s face…
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Subject: Re: Randy Stair Footage? Sat Jul 20, 2019 3:29 am
Alex213 wrote:
Columbine20 wrote:
Has the suicide picture of Randy ever been found ?
No… nothing was leaked, from the police investigation, as far as I know. I would guess that he looked similar to Vladislav Roslyakov: Both were blonde, had a white shirt and black pants, and both used a shotgun and did the “Eric Harris way” (I think… I don’t know much about Vlad). Just picture a shelf filled with cans, instead of books, in the background… a white floor... and some eyeliner in Randy’s face…
Vlad shot himself in the left temple, IIRC.
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Subject: Re: Randy Stair Footage? Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:15 am
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Alex213 wrote:
Columbine20 wrote:
Has the suicide picture of Randy ever been found ?
No… nothing was leaked, from the police investigation, as far as I know. I would guess that he looked similar to Vladislav Roslyakov: Both were blonde, had a white shirt and black pants, and both used a shotgun and did the “Eric Harris way” (I think… I don’t know much about Vlad). Just picture a shelf filled with cans, instead of books, in the background… a white floor... and some eyeliner in Randy’s face…
List of EGS Tapes: -With Animation and Audio (Upload to the EGS youtube channel): Scariest Experience Of My Life - Mackenzie West A Promise Kept - Andrew Blaze The Legend of Brooker Swamp Conspiring a Massacre - Andrew Blaze The Breakup - Alex Gebhart Conspiring a Massacre 02 - Rachael Shadows
You're One Of Us Now - Alex Gebhart (Only upload to Mediafire)
-Audio Only (From "EGS Tapes - The Complete Collection"): Something on the Inside Has Been Changing - Andrew Blaze Discovering Yourself - Andrew Blaze Scariest Experience Of My Life (with Randy's voice) - Mackenzie West (Rewrite)
-Script Only (Later animated by Naze and company, except for "Suicide Is a Solution"): Celesta Matilda Ramsey Suicide Is a Solution Harmony Ingram
List of Suicide Tapes: -12/27/2016 "Trying to Make Sense of It All/Suicidal Thoughts" (01: 30: 48) Audio only -03/26/2017 "The Meaning of Life/College Years" (02: 03: 36) Audio only -04/04/2017 "Ember's Impact On My Life" (01: 25: 35) Audio and Video -04/11/2017 "I Got My Baby" (00: 12: 23) Audio and Video -04/20/2017 "Columbine's Impact On My Life/EGS Character Discussion (01: 11: 14) Audio only -04/24/2017 "Nearing the End/The Desire to Die" (00: 43: 26) Audio only -04/24/2017 "250 Shells!" (00: 03: 02) Video only -04/25/2017 "Fate By Coin Flip" (00: 08: 23) Video only -04/29/2017 "I Got It! (Second Shotgun)" (00: 14: 02) Audio and Video -05/08/2017 "Digital Release Talk/Everything Feels Different (Shooting Field)" (00: 21: 03) Audio and Video -05/09/2017 "Mackenzie's Impact On My Life/Hatred Toward Artists" (01: 30: 50) Audio only -05/11/2017 "Plan A" (00: 36: 42) Audio and Video -05/25/2017 "Plan B/I'm Tired" (00: 21: 59) Audio and Video -05/26/2017 "The Drive 01 (Animation Talk/Avoiding Full-Time Jobs)" (01: 02: 07) Audio and Video -05/30/2017 "The Drive 02 (Digital Set/Shooting Talk)" (01: 21: 31) Audio and Video -06/01/2017 "Goodbye Mom, Dad, Jeremy and Family" (02: 00: 27) Audio and Video -06/02/2017 "The Drive 03 (Losing Weight/Hatred For the Music Industry)" (01: 01: 56) Audio and Video -06/03/2017 "Goodbye Earth" (01: 21: 38) Audio and Video -06/05/2017 "House Tour" (01: 08: 40) Video only
-There’s also a short video, recorded in April 20th, 2017, in Youtube (it last 50 seconds). It’s an “intro” to the audio recording he did about Columbine that day. I can’t post it here because he’s holding a shotgun. I guess this video is from his Instagram account also, but I don’t really know.
About this video... I just saw a screenshot of Randy’s instagram, and this video wasn’t there.... did somebody around here downloaded all the files from Mediafire? Do you know from where is that video?
ED: Never mind… I just found the video, on a back-up of the files from Mediafire. The name of the file is “April 20th, 2017 (RAW)”
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Subject: Re: Randy Stair Footage? Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:25 am
Alex213 wrote:
Some more info:
List of EGS Tapes: -With Animation and Audio (Upload to the EGS youtube channel): Scariest Experience Of My Life - Mackenzie West A Promise Kept - Andrew Blaze The Legend of Brooker Swamp Conspiring a Massacre - Andrew Blaze The Breakup - Alex Gebhart Conspiring a Massacre 02 - Rachael Shadows
You're One Of Us Now - Alex Gebhart (Only upload to Mediafire)
-Audio Only (From "EGS Tapes - The Complete Collection"): Something on the Inside Has Been Changing - Andrew Blaze Discovering Yourself - Andrew Blaze Scariest Experience Of My Life (with Randy's voice) - Mackenzie West (Rewrite)
-Script Only (Later animated by Naze and company, except for "Suicide Is a Solution"): Celesta Matilda Ramsey Suicide Is a Solution Harmony Ingram
List of Suicide Tapes: -12/27/2016 "Trying to Make Sense of It All/Suicidal Thoughts" (01: 30: 48) Audio only -03/26/2017 "The Meaning of Life/College Years" (02: 03: 36) Audio only -04/04/2017 "Ember's Impact On My Life" (01: 25: 35) Audio and Video -04/11/2017 "I Got My Baby" (00: 12: 23) Audio and Video -04/20/2017 "Columbine's Impact On My Life/EGS Character Discussion (01: 11: 14) Audio only -04/24/2017 "Nearing the End/The Desire to Die" (00: 43: 26) Audio only -04/24/2017 "250 Shells!" (00: 03: 02) Video only -04/25/2017 "Fate By Coin Flip" (00: 08: 23) Video only -04/29/2017 "I Got It! (Second Shotgun)" (00: 14: 02) Audio and Video -05/08/2017 "Digital Release Talk/Everything Feels Different (Shooting Field)" (00: 21: 03) Audio and Video -05/09/2017 "Mackenzie's Impact On My Life/Hatred Toward Artists" (01: 30: 50) Audio only -05/11/2017 "Plan A" (00: 36: 42) Audio and Video -05/25/2017 "Plan B/I'm Tired" (00: 21: 59) Audio and Video -05/26/2017 "The Drive 01 (Animation Talk/Avoiding Full-Time Jobs)" (01: 02: 07) Audio and Video -05/30/2017 "The Drive 02 (Digital Set/Shooting Talk)" (01: 21: 31) Audio and Video -06/01/2017 "Goodbye Mom, Dad, Jeremy and Family" (02: 00: 27) Audio and Video -06/02/2017 "The Drive 03 (Losing Weight/Hatred For the Music Industry)" (01: 01: 56) Audio and Video -06/03/2017 "Goodbye Earth" (01: 21: 38) Audio and Video -06/05/2017 "House Tour" (01: 08: 40) Video only
I remember downloading the torrent, but it didnt have a lot of seeds or peers, I kept downloading for 3-4 days but gave up, I think the torrent was 40% downloaded. I removed the files sadly, that was a year ago.
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Subject: Re: Randy Stair Footage? Fri Jul 26, 2019 10:03 am
There's also this video. There's a similar one for Rodger.
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Subject: Re: Randy Stair Footage? Sun Jul 28, 2019 12:23 pm
cakeman wrote:
There's also this video. There's a similar one for Rodger.
Yes, I knew about that one… although, it’s not accurate (the 3 co-workers that died were in 3 different aisles). I just watched the one of Elliot Rodger, and it has more work put into it.
This is a list of the people that received an e-mail, the night of the shooting (it might be incomplete… is based in what Randy said in different recordings):
Andrew Blank (Singer of Send Request) Mallorie Suzanne (Voice Actress) Laura Faverty (Voice Actress) "Point Baron" (Fan/online friend) Nelly (Fan/online friend) Rachel (Fan/online friend) "Nighty" (Fan/online friend) James (Highschool friend) Damian (Makemebad35) David (Friend of Damian) "Hobo Deadfish" (Friend of Damian)
Note: Randy, Damian, David and Hobo Deadfish played xbox videogames together for several years.
Also, one of the emails is available… I rather not share it here… but if you search around a little bit, you can find it.
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Subject: Re: Randy Stair Footage? Sun Aug 18, 2019 7:29 pm
This is a small compilation of videos made by people who knew Randy. The videos are about him, or more or less related to him. I didn’t knew if share this videos or not, because are from people that is still active online. I deleted the titles, and left only the date of upload.
-Some context: 01: This is Nighty, singing “Hurt”. First video uploaded after the shooting. 02: Nighty, singing “When You Die”. Uploaded on the night of the first anniversary of Randy's death. The video is not longer available on Youtube, so I left the title. 03: Nighty, talking about suicide prevention, and about Randy (without mention him by name). 04: This is Point Baron. First video uploaded after the shooting. For what I’ve seen on other videos, he has a strange sense of humor. I wouldn't take this video too seriously... but I don't really know how to take it. 05: This is a viewer of Randy, from when he was still with Pioneers Productions.
Subject: Re: Randy Stair Footage? Tue Aug 20, 2019 1:14 pm
Well, I already posted most of the “finds” I had about this case… I also have a back-up of most of Randy’s social accounts, but I think I can’t share that here (it contains links to other people’s accounts, although most of those accounts were deleted after the shooting). What do you think, mods of the forum? Can I post that?
So, basically the only things missing about this case are: -The CCTV footage. -Most of the emails (I wonder why he didn’t uploaded this to Mediafire… is not like he cared to much about the privacy of this people... and he did uploaded the video he made to his family). -A possible audio recording (or even livestream) of the shooting, that he was planning to do, and isn’t all that clear if he did or not. -And obviously, pictures of the crime scene.
And, there’s no way of knowing, but I bet that one of the last things he did (before or after sending the emails) was check how his “big, last video” was going… (He uploaded it to Youtube a few hours before the shooting) It would have been both, very funny and sad, if even with all the “hype” he did about the video, it had only a few reproductions…
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Subject: Re: Randy Stair Footage? Sun Aug 25, 2019 9:14 am
Subject: Re: Randy Stair Footage? Sun Sep 01, 2019 1:05 am
On this video (at 02: 00) there's a part of the email Randy send to Laura Faverty: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
Also, on the video 03 I uploaded to Mega, there are parts of the email to Nighty.
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Subject: Adam Lanza suicide photo? Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:15 pm
Will the Adam Lanza suicide photo(s) be released? If not, why?
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Subject: Re: Randy Stair Footage? Sun Feb 23, 2020 7:21 pm
Couldn't we submit a FOIA request to the police department of that area and potentially obtain the footage? This is a generally low interest case so i believe we'd have a good shot. Especially if CryingHampster was able to get the stuff he got.
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Subject: Re: Randy Stair Footage? Sun Feb 23, 2020 7:23 pm
Didn't realize i had already made this same comment months ago smh
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Subject: Re: Randy Stair Footage? Sun Feb 23, 2020 8:17 pm
Amang18 wrote:
Will the Adam Lanza suicide photo(s) be released? If not, why?
I'm willing to bet they will. There's no good reason for them to withhold it.