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The last time I made a thread like this (Most Pathetic Killers?), most of the answers were referring to the same shooter (Elliot Rodger). I'd like to avoid a repeat of that, so this time I'm excluding the most likely answer; I think most of us agree that Paddock's attack is the most well planned, and there's plenty of discussion about him in his respective threads.

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Anders.
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Definetly Anders Behring Breivik... Making the bomb work, not getting caught by police (even tho the police handled it badly), wearing a police uniform. He even decided for Utöya because he knew that the water was cold and that the kids would have possibly died during the attempted swimming escape...
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Anders Breivik, not because of the killcount but because of the planning and methods he used to amplify his attack such as the drug stimulation, large distraction and building clearing techniques aswell as suitable weaponry.

aside from Breivik it would be Friedrich Leibacher, a Swiss man who constructed a police uniform and entered the Swiss Parliament in Zug without a problem, he was carrying a SIG SG 550 rifle, 4 pistols,remington 870 and a improvised grenade. he opened fire in the hall killing 14 politicians and wounding 18 before detonating the grenade and shortly after killing himself
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aside from Breivik it would be Friedrich Leibacher, a Swiss man who constructed a police uniform and entered the Swiss Parliament in Zug without a problem, he was carrying a SIG SG 550 rifle, 4 pistols,remington 870 and a improvised grenade. he opened fire in the hall killing 14 politicians and wounding 18 before detonating the grenade and shortly after killing himself
Agreed.
Cho too. Mainly due to his tactics and him using JHP bullets.
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Anders Behring Brievik
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Anders. The planning was spectacular (P.S. Randy Stair was the most pathetic, 3 kills! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA)
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Brievik for sure, not only was the attack itself well thought out but the reasoning behind the attack was as well, most shooters are edgy kids who just hate people, Brieveik however definitely made Norway a better place.

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I disagree with you, he killed over 70 innocent people who had done nothing directly wrong to him, if he would have targeted someone who had directly done something bad then I would probably understand and agree with you!

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I disagree with you, he killed over 70 innocent people who had done nothing directly wrong to him, if he would have targeted someone who had directly done something bad then I would probably understand and agree with you!

he tartgeded people of the liberal party so in his mind they were enemies
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I disagree with you, he killed over 70 innocent people who had done nothing directly wrong to him, if he would have targeted someone who had directly done something bad then I would probably understand and agree with you!

he tartgeded people of the liberal party so in his mind they were enemies
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I'm so sorry for reviving this thread from it's peaceful sleep, but I'd say Feng Wanhai and Jiang Liming, the gunmen in the Zhaodong massacre. Information on them is hard to get, but there's a few details that make them stand out as successful:
- Whereas most mass killers want revenge on people who wronged them but end up just killing strangers, they are one of very few who successfully pulled off a hit list.
- They emptied a town of nearly all of their percieved enemies and moved on to attack another (such "wandering shootings," such as Woo Bum-Kon and Jakrapanth Thomma, tend to be very deadly)
- Robbed at least 3 vehicles and stole a firearm in addition to their own arsenal
- Exploited China's then-minimal police force, evading law enforcement for several hours
- High kill count (32 victims, not including the gunmen)
- Successfully committed suicide, which a surprising number of attackers plan but don't do

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Anders Brievik had the world's best planned attack because he pretended to be a police officer so he could ask for a ride in a boat to Utøya Island.

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Toss-up between Anders Breivik and Vladislav Rosylakov.

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Brievik for sure, not only was the attack itself well thought out but the reasoning behind the attack was as well, most shooters are edgy kids who just hate people, Brieveik however definitely made Norway a better place.
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James Holmes is definitely up there when you look at how he basically turned an unassuming apartment into a Vietnam War style booby trap.

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Ignorance is the best form of inhibiting reality, because the reality it ends with the existence of the weak who fear death.
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Our crazy writer most certainly had the most planned.
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the most planned is not the one that is known. he is one whose essence is never discovered.
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Ignorance is the best form of inhibiting reality, because the reality it ends with the existence of the weak who fear death.

What are you even saying?💀

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Ignorance is the best form of inhibiting reality, because the reality it ends with the existence of the weak who fear death.

What are you even saying?💀

What do you think we are here for? natural laws do not correspond to what humans call order, but what they call chaos and madness. Elliot the best planned. so well planned that no one even managed to see the most obvious of his true sexuality and dark nature. these are the most planned.

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James Holmes is definitely up there when you look at how he basically turned an unassuming apartment into a Vietnam War style booby trap.

But would the booby trap actually have worked as planned?

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ColaEnthusiast wrote:
James Holmes is definitely up there when you look at how he basically turned an unassuming apartment into a Vietnam War style booby trap.

But would the booby trap actually have worked as planned?

It was basically wired in a way to do so.
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Rosie1756 wrote:
ColaEnthusiast wrote:
James Holmes is definitely up there when you look at how he basically turned an unassuming apartment into a Vietnam War style booby trap.

But would the booby trap actually have worked as planned?

No trap works if you are discovered.

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ColaEnthusiast wrote:
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James Holmes is definitely up there when you look at how he basically turned an unassuming apartment into a Vietnam War style booby trap.

But would the booby trap actually have worked as planned?

It was basically wired in a way to do so.

Didn't he basically snitch on himself though about the bombs to the police? I can't remember it's been a while since I extensively researched Aurora (lost some interest in it)

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Engel wrote:
ColaEnthusiast wrote:
Rosie1756 wrote:
ColaEnthusiast wrote:
James Holmes is definitely up there when you look at how he basically turned an unassuming apartment into a Vietnam War style booby trap.

But would the booby trap actually have worked as planned?

It was basically wired in a way to do so.

Didn't he basically snitch on himself though about the bombs to the police? I can't remember it's been a while since I extensively researched Aurora (lost some interest in it)

Correct, thankfully James had the decency to tell the officer that arrested him that there were bombs at the apartment. Otherwise, it would’ve turned absolutely worse in just a few minutes.
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Vladislav Roslyakov. His bombs worked, making him probably the most successful Columbine copycat.

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Anders because he picked an island so no ones escaping, dressed up as a police officer so people would think that he was there to help (You know he was smirking when people came towards him), makes a bomb to get extra kills. Cho because he chained the doors shut. I would also say James Holmes because he went into the theater like it was a war zone.

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Probably Cho. He bought himself as much time as possible by putting a note on the entrance saying something like "open door bombs go off". Not only that but they found several chains and locks in his bag and at other entrances, he barricaded students in. Cho trained at a gun range buying out all 10 booths so he could simulate actually shooting up a hall. If you look at the VT reports something like 28 of the 32 dead where headshots. He knew what he was doing.

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Probably Cho. He bought himself as much time as possible by putting a note on the entrance saying something like "open door bombs go off". Not only that but they found several chains and locks in his bag and at other entrances, he barricaded students in. Cho trained at a gun range buying out all 10 booths so he could simulate actually shooting up a hall. If you look at the VT reports something like 28 of the 32 dead where headshots. He knew what he was doing.

Cho had the heart and soul of the segmented Korean military superpower in him. Unhinged loser.

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Anders because he picked an island so no ones escaping, dressed up as a police officer so people would think that he was there to help (You know he was smirking when people came towards him)

I doubt he was smirking. He was quite intent on his views and was notably arrogant, but in the trial I think I recall him describing his mindset during the attack as being paranoid and trance-like.
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In theory, Tarrant had planned a very detailed and extensively researched attack. Had all gone according to plan, he might have exceeded Anders Breivik in kill count.

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In theory, Tarrant had planned a very detailed and extensively researched attack. Had all gone according to plan, he might have exceeded Anders Breivik in kill count.

I'd say Gendron was pretty careful too, his Discord logs are rather meticulous and he's one of the few attackers I know to have a full route planned out beforehand.

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In theory, Tarrant had planned a very detailed and extensively researched attack. Had all gone according to plan, he might have exceeded Anders Breivik in kill count.

I'd say Gendron was pretty careful too, his Discord logs are rather meticulous and he's one of the few attackers I know to have a full route planned out beforehand.

Such a shame he messed it all up at the very start by immediately missing a turn along his route!

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Maybe Vladislav Roslyakov, Cho or Adam Lanza
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I want to say Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold because they had a very good plan.

But it was poorly executed because their bomb making skills were shit and a large part of them did not explode.

If they also had better guns with them they could have at least get even more kills.

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RickMaster wrote:
I want to say Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold because they had a very good plan.

But it was poorly executed because their bomb making skills were shit and a large part of them did not explode.

If they also had better guns with them they could have at least get even more kills if the bomb.

I’d argue Eric and Dylan killed more overall after death, because they could be considered relatable to sociopathic losers more. Sure, they would have gotten hundreds, but they wouldn’t have had as wide a range of influence, and they would’ve closed the mass murder market to other aspire-es like Cho and Stair. Or even some of the other notable ones like Adam Lanza or even Stephen Paddock. They also would have made all schools in the U.S. as heavily guarded and secured as airports after 9/11. And they already made a huge impact on the American culture around mass violence. If they’d killed more…? Well, needless to say they would’ve ruined the fun of the sport. Besides, they spent years fantasizing different plans that made them feel like badass evil engineers, but at the end of the day they weren’t practical enough to do jack shit. They weren’t nearly as good of realistic planners as later individual psychos in the 21st century. Sure, they were great, so was James Holmes… if the goal is to do only the first stage of military planning and leave out the rest of your ideas because making one that could hypothetically kill dozens-hundreds is good enough for your ego. (Which does remind me of something but I’ll save it). The school shooting metaphorical arena is as much about building a personal identity around your mental illness, as it is about actually killing a good amount. Few people will admire you if you go into a restaurant and murder 80 people with a giant arsenal of rifles and handguns. On the other hand, look at Elliot Rodger. Only six dead, but it was in beautiful Santa Barbara… in Isla Vista. On a college campus from a narcissistic Incel, not a grizzled military vet. The Daegu subway fire is probably the perfect example though of the death toll meaning nothing to the wider world. You’ve gotta remember that most mass murderers part of the actual culture around it, are trying to get their name out there and send their sad message as much as they’re trying to take vengeance on the world for imagined victimizations of their person. The only other reason to kill people other than that is for fun, and the fact of the matter is, it’s just not all that fun most of the time to chase civilians and murder them for a few minutes and then die or be locked up for the rest of your life. The planning; personality, and life of the perpetrator is about 1.5x as important as the execution of said planning.

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