Interesting 11k Findings

I've only seen it crossed off on the front. It's kind of weird. They crossed out Devon and Zach's names too.

Devon seemed like a really nice and genuine person. She must have really won Dylan over.

List of items found in the glovebox of Dylan's BMW by investigators

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Did anyone see where Dylan supposedly had two ladies watches in his car?

Screamingophelia wrote:

Did anyone see where Dylan supposedly had two ladies watches in his car?

Only reference to watches recovered as evidence (that I could find). I didn't see anything about them being ladies watches but that does sound familiar.

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Does anyone have any more Information about the Email Eric had written but not sent, to his friend in NY? I’m curious now. Probably mentioning how CO was, and how much he hated it? Hmm.

star555 wrote:

Does anyone have any more Information about the Email Eric had written but not sent, to his friend in NY? I’m curious now. Probably mentioning how CO was, and how much he hated it? Hmm.

I'm fairly certain it was meant for Sarah Davis, a friend from Plattsburgh. She has done a few interviews so you can find some articles online about her.

I remember hearing it was one of those surveys where you send them to others to fill out and then post them but I have no idea how accurate that is. So much info in the 11k it's easy to mix things up

Edit: here is what I am talking about

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Littlelo wrote:

star555 wrote:

Does anyone have any more Information about the Email Eric had written but not sent, to his friend in NY? I’m curious now. Probably mentioning how CO was, and how much he hated it? Hmm.

I'm fairly certain it was meant for Sarah Davis, a friend from Plattsburgh. She has done a few interviews so you can find some articles online about her.

I remember hearing it was one of those surveys where you send them to others to fill out and then post them but I have no idea how accurate that is. So much info in the 11k it's easy to mix things up

Edit: here is what I am talking about

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I recently read an interview with her, it was an old one. She said they spoke about the van break in and she said the day she heard about the shooting she told her dad she was worried about Eric and her dad told her it was Eric who was doing the shooting. I think that's the same person?

Littlelo wrote:

star555 wrote:

Does anyone have any more Information about the Email Eric had written but not sent, to his friend in NY? I’m curious now. Probably mentioning how CO was, and how much he hated it? Hmm.

I'm fairly certain it was meant for Sarah Davis, a friend from Plattsburgh. She has done a few interviews so you can find some articles online about her.

I remember hearing it was one of those surveys where you send them to others to fill out and then post them but I have no idea how accurate that is. So much info in the 11k it's easy to mix things up

I also suggested that in another thread but I was just taking a guess based on the phrasing of the lead for Sarah Davis.
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Ah [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] maybe you're who I first heard it from! It's not a bad theory.

Thank you so much for that reply Littlelo, and sscc , i've seen that image floating around a lot, and wondered where it specifically came from, and now it makes 100% sense, hence all of the Personal data, his name, parents name, hobbies, etc etc  

(i'm new to this and not really sure how to reply to you, so that it re-posts what you had said i'm sorry!)

Also, i noticed in the survey chain letter eric had filled out: His favorite person to talk to is ____ in CSU, which takes me back to his chatlogs with this girl who was moving to college, at CSU. (Which i briefly remember is Jen, from eric saying "Gawd Jen")

I've taken to rereading the 11k again, since my interest in Columbine has been rekindled. Most of my observations are just silly little things and this one is no different.
In Jennifer Doyle's second interview on the day after the shooting, she makes the statement on page 5 'They asked someone if his name was John but John was gone'. I know what this refers to and I know what she must have meant, but what on Earth did she say to the detectives to make them write that down?

That is weird I never realized that before ...

On page 42, Patrick Ireland describes hearing a 'deeper' voice coughing in the east section of the library. This has widely been accepted (from what I've read at least) to have been Dylan, who did in fact aspirate blood after he shot himself so this is a possibility. Dylan, however, was to the south of Pat Ireland's location and quite close to him as well. Lisa Kreutz was the only one left alive in the east section.

There are only a few possibilities; one would be that it was Dylan but Patrick got the location wrong. The second would be that it was Lisa and Patrick only thought the voice sounded deeper because his injuries distorted the sound. He did describe his ears ringing, and he was understandably confused and disorientated to the point where he couldn't properly follow police officers' instructions when he went out the window.

The third one is a bit out there. What if it was to the east of where Patrick was and it was a deeper voice. How likely is it that John Tomlin was still alive? I couldn't really get anything from his autopsy summary.

Did Patrick mean all the way on the other side of the library or just to the east of his location? If he meant the latter, could it have been Daniel Mauser? Corey DePooter isn't likely, he was all the way in the south end of the center section and both Jennifer Doyle and Austin Eubanks described thinking he was dead.

What do you guys think? Personally, I don't know what to think. Did he hear coughing at all? He was shot in the head, is it possible to hear things that aren't there? Did he hear himself cough? So many confusing possibilities.

I think Dylan shot John Tomlin in the head, so he probably died very quickly.

If you look at the time that is generally accepted, Eric and Dylan committed suicide at approximately 12:09. Patrick Ireland describes hearing four or five bells ringing between waking up and escaping from the library (at approximately 02:38).

The bells that rang after 12:09 were at 12:10 (beginning of B Lunch), 12:40 (end of fifth period class and B Lunch), 12:45 (start of sixth period), 01:35 (end of sixth period), 01:40 (start of seventh period) and 02:30 (end of seventh period).

If Patrick woke up not longer after Dylan shot himself, then he could have heard five bells before he escaped from the library. This could make it Dylan that he heard.

JeffCo received a call about boys carving something into a picnic table prior to 4/20, and photographs were taken of the carvings as part of the investigation. Here is the photo log description from the 11k. Has it ever been confirmed or debunked as to whether or not it was E&D?

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These pages were both in the 11k and it appears Eric and Dylan were in the same class doing the same assignment...thought it was interesting:

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Littlelo wrote:

These pages were both in the 11k and it appears Eric and Dylan were in the same class doing the same assignment...thought it was interesting:

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Eric's was a bit funnier, no one was disturbed by Dylan's?

Littlelo wrote:

JeffCo received a call about boys carving something into a picnic table prior to 4/20, and photographs were taken of the carvings as part of the investigation. Here is the photo log description from the 11k. Has it ever been confirmed or debunked as to whether or not it was E&D?

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I'm not sure! I think it was debunked but I don't have the evidence

Screamingophelia wrote:

Littlelo wrote:

These pages were both in the 11k and it appears Eric and Dylan were in the same class doing the same assignment...thought it was interesting:

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Eric's was a bit funnier, no one was disturbed by Dylan's?

Maybe they just couldn't really read it. His handwriting makes my eyes hurt!

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

Littlelo wrote:

These pages were both in the 11k and it appears Eric and Dylan were in the same class doing the same assignment...thought it was interesting:

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Eric's was a bit funnier, no one was disturbed by Dylan's?

Maybe they just couldn't really read it. His handwriting makes my eyes hurt!  

I think my eyeglasses must be very strong because I can make it out but it takes me a while.

Dammit Dylan you had doctors handwriting! You could've been so many things. But NOO... had to find the 5th dimension.

I'm in a goofy mood

So this is not interesting.  It’s kind of annoying actually.  I know that it has pretty much been proven that no one else had any inclination that Columbine was going to happen.  However, all of the people who are giving witness statements that claim to have seen a third person or someone that they perceive to look different from Dylan or Eric, I feel like they are getting badgered by the interviewers.  I know they are trying to make the witnesses understand that only Dylan and Eric were the shooters but I feel like witness are describing what they truly believe they saw (for the most part anyways; I know that some exaggerated their accounts).  I feel like some of the investigators are only trying to get the witnesses to say what they want to hear and not what the witnesses actually believed they saw.

Ainjel wrote:

So this is not interesting.  It’s kind of annoying actually.  I know that it has pretty much been proven that no one else had any inclination that Columbine was going to happen.  However, all of the people who are giving witness statements that claim to have seen a third person or someone that they perceive to look different from Dylan or Eric, I feel like they are getting badgered by the interviewers.  I know they are trying to make the witnesses understand that only Dylan and Eric were the shooters but I feel like witness are describing what they truly believe they saw (for the most part anyways; I know that some exaggerated their accounts).  I feel like some of the investigators are only trying to get the witnesses to say what they want to hear and not what the witnesses actually believed they saw.

I know what you mean, in some instances they kept on insisting that there were only two shooters until the witness agreed that they only saw two. Great investigating right there!

I think some of the confusion came from them removing their coats as well.

Thats definitely where alot of the confusion came from

I'm reading the Klebolds statement and I noticed that starting on 10506 they have the charge and victim and it is just Lauren Townsends name. I have not noticed other victims names being mentioned in that way.

10510- Sue said Zach and Nate went after the same girl a few months prior to 4/20 and were not speaking... I wonder if she meant Eric since Zach was with Devon for quite some time before then.

There is an interview with Byron! I never read this part.

So there has to be one with Kevin I assume.

What page is the interview with Byron? Let me know if you find anything involving Kevin :-)

TaylorsMom wrote:

What page is the interview with Byron?  Let me know if you find anything involving Kevin :-)

It starts on page 10524


Nothing on the Harris's or Kevin, after some more researching they didn't give a proper statement until October 1999 (which is the same month as the Basement Tape and evidence viewing Sue talked about in AMR)

Has anyone read Yoshi Carroll's 11k interview? He talks a lot about Zach as well and some not so nice things he had to say about Dylan.. not sure how anyone could still call Zach his best friend. Devon maybe but Zach.. I mean this was before 4/20.

Weird witness report regarding Rachel Scott, Nick Baumgart, Dana Plato, shooting off guns and mind control.
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Littlelo wrote:

I have been skimming through the 11k a bit more lately and I didn't want to keep dumping things in the "highlights" sticky thread, as a lot of the things I'm finding aren't necessarily highlights. I find them more interesting than important.

If there is somewhere else I should be posting stuff like this please let me know!

The Westboro Baptist Church may have visited or planned to visit Littleton to protest:
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Eric and Dylan told their boss they needed advances on their pay checks for "prom". Eric had gotten a raise at work the week before the shooting:
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Surveillance footage from the purchase of the other propane tank at Texaco that morning was taped over before police could view it:
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i was able to read some of it last weekend because i took concerta in the morning.

Surveillance footage from the purchase of the other propane tank at Texaco that morning was taped over before police could view it:
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I had no idéa that you could recover footage from a over-recorded VHS tape. Well, at least that explain the shitty quality. Thanks for the share!

Juicy Jazzy wrote:

Weird witness report regarding Rachel Scott, Nick Baumgart, Dana Plato, shooting off guns and mind control.
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Wow, this is pretty bizarre. This guy seems like a nutjob, he has a pretty crazy website (with his social security # in the URL!) I don't want to link to it here but if you google his name it should come up.

Somewhat interestingly, Dana Plato suicided about a month after Columbine. Does the 11k say what date he sent this?

Apparently there's a conspiracy theory that the deaths of both Plato and Gary Coleman (her Diff'rent Strokes co-star) are somehow related to Columbine. People are wacky!

Screamingophelia wrote:

Has anyone read Yoshi Carroll's 11k interview? He talks a lot about Zach as well and some not so nice things he had to say about Dylan.. not sure how anyone could still call Zach his best friend. Devon maybe but Zach.. I mean this was before 4/20.

Do you know what page this is on?

Yoshi Carroll - Pages 005416-005422

Sororityalpha comes through!!!

vin_diesel wrote:

Wow, this is pretty bizarre. This guy seems like a nutjob, he has a pretty crazy website (with his social security # in the URL!)

Jesus, that's unwise. I have to wonder how many people have tried to steal his identity.

On page 10909, Erik Vieks interview he says it was Dylan who told Brooks "I like you, go home"

Screamingophelia wrote:

On page 10909, Erik Vieks interview he says it was Dylan who told Brooks "I like you, go home"

I'm sure Brooks Brown would know who told him to go home
Eric veik obviously remembered incorrectly

Of course, I just thought that was interesting. I never realized that Erik said that.