If E & D didn't die

If they were captured before they killed themselves and there was a trial, I wonder what evidence would be open to the public? More crime scene photos? Basement Tapes? Would the trial be covered like OJ Simpsons was? I assume we'd hear more from the Harris's.

I think the boys would try to act like perfect gentlemen in court to be honest, I doubt there'd be shenanigans like I think TJ Lane?

Screamingophelia wrote:

If they were captured before they killed themselves and there was a trial, I wonder what evidence would be open to the public? More crime scene photos? Basement Tapes? Would the trial be covered like OJ Simpsons was? I assume we'd hear more from the Harris's.

I think the boys would try to  act like perfect gentlemen in court to be honest, I doubt there'd be shenanigans like I think TJ Lane?

I think Eric would have gotten a kick out of his trail possibly getting more media coverage then OJ's, since he seemed to hate that being in the news all the time.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

If they were captured before they killed themselves and there was a trial, I wonder what evidence would be open to the public? More crime scene photos? Basement Tapes? Would the trial be covered like OJ Simpsons was? I assume we'd hear more from the Harris's.

I think the boys would try to  act like perfect gentlemen in court to be honest, I doubt there'd be shenanigans like I think TJ Lane?

I think Eric would have gotten a kick out of his trail possibly getting more media coverage then OJ's, since he seemed to hate that being in the news all the time.

Me too.

One things for sure...TBT would have been released or leaked. They would have been played in court

If they'd have been dressed up in orange and dragged out by police and booed by everybody, then they'd realize their dream of topping Timothy McVeigh after all. Or at least equalling him.

I often wonder if they had lived what the "fandom" would be like and how different it might be. I honestly think them dying added to the mystery of it and gives them more fan girls today.

Littlelo wrote:

I often wonder if they had lived what the "fandom" would be like and how different it might be. I honestly think them dying added to the mystery of it and gives them more fan girls today.

Certainly it does. Somebody dies, they're "lost forever," and some girl's wish to have "saved" them can never come true.

Think how badly people want Nick Drake live footage to turn up, because it never happened during his lifetime that they know of. And if they did have it it probably wouldn't really be anything special.

It's really sad that some girls obsess over trying to "save" them. It shows you how lost some adolescents truly are.

Littlelo wrote:

I often wonder if they had lived what the "fandom" would be like and how different it might be. I honestly think them dying added to the mystery of it and gives them more fan girls today.

I wonder that as well! I think there's a mystique with them since they committed suicide.

There would probably be girls writing them but who knows if E and D would answer?

I doubt a soft spoken red faced Dylan in an orange jump suit would resonate as much as the smirking kid in a black trench coat who writes love notes in his journal.

Littlelo wrote:

It's really sad that some girls obsess over trying to "save" them. It shows you how lost some adolescents truly are.

Also Eric and Dylan DID have people who cared about them. What do these girls think they could do to save them?? Dylan had more people than Eric yes, but you can't love someone better.

Have fun dealing with Dylan's issues... I'm not unsympathetic towards Dylan either, I admit junior year Dylan was pretty close to handsome but he'd be an awful boyfriend until he grew up and got help.

Screamingophelia wrote:

Littlelo wrote:

It's really sad that some girls obsess over trying to "save" them. It shows you how lost some adolescents truly are.

Also Eric and Dylan DID have people who cared about them. What do these girls think they could do to save them?? Dylan had more people than Eric yes, but you can't love someone better.

Have fun dealing with Dylan's issues... I'm not unsympathetic towards Dylan either, I admit junior year Dylan was pretty close to handsome but he'd be an awful boyfriend until he grew up and got help.

Exactly. They idealize them and think they could have helped. But think about it- if you had been in school with them you wouldn't have the luxury of reading their journals and knowing their true feelings. You would be guessing as much as anyone else.

Littlelo wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

Littlelo wrote:

It's really sad that some girls obsess over trying to "save" them. It shows you how lost some adolescents truly are.

Also Eric and Dylan DID have people who cared about them. What do these girls think they could do to save them?? Dylan had more people than Eric yes, but you can't love someone better.

Have fun dealing with Dylan's issues... I'm not unsympathetic towards Dylan either, I admit junior year Dylan was pretty close to handsome but he'd be an awful boyfriend until he grew up and got help.

Exactly. They idealize them and think they could have helped. But think about it- if you had been in school with them you wouldn't have the luxury of reading their journals and knowing their true feelings. You would be guessing as much as anyone else.

You'd see what everyone else saw and even if you were friends with them and maybe even "liked" them you'd still have to get them to talk etc.. and they'd never let you in. Dylan was a great listener because he didn't want to talk. It's easier to be goofy, good listener, buddy Dylan.

Exactly. Dylan didn't tell people how he felt.

If he were still alive today, I really don't know if he would have shared his feelings.

Almost sadder to me would be if both E&D survived but were never allowed to communicate again. (Call me weird or whatever but I find that idea sad)

Littlelo wrote:

Almost sadder to me would be if both E&D survived but were never allowed to communicate again. (Call me weird or whatever but I find that idea sad)

I agree with you and have had the exact same thought, but if the van incident is anything to go by I kinda suspect that one or both would eventually turn on the other in court, which kinda ruins the often 'romanticized' "I'm going to die with you if you kill with me"-thing for me

Littlelo wrote:

Exactly. Dylan didn't tell people how he felt.

If he were still alive today, I really don't know if he would have shared his feelings.

Almost sadder to me would be if both E&D survived but were never allowed to communicate again. (Call me weird or whatever but I find that idea sad)

It's not weird at all. When I had the realization that the right before Eric killed himself was the last time they would talk to each other or see each other alive made me sad. I would have wanted to hear what they had to say. I think Eric would have stayed alive longer (he may be in prison to this day) but Dylan would have found a way to kill himself.

To be fair, it will forever get me when I read that Lauren put her arm around Val when the shooting started and told her it was going to be okay.

I think there's a reason the person who made the memorial crosses made ones for Eric and Dylan.

Wumselito wrote:

Littlelo wrote:

Almost sadder to me would be if both E&D survived but were never allowed to communicate again. (Call me weird or whatever but I find that idea sad)

I agree with you and have had the exact same thought, but if the van incident is anything to go by I kinda suspect that one or both would eventually turn on the other in court, which kinda ruins the often 'romanticized' "I'm going to die with you if you kill with me"-thing for me

I do not disagree with you. Eric was quick to say the van break in was Dylan's idea. I feel like there is some weird cosmic payback now since we know Dylan wasn't the innocent follower .. so sure blame Dylan for the break in, you're going to be blamed for the whole massacre.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

I think Eric would have gotten a kick out of his trail possibly getting more media coverage then OJ's, since he seemed to hate that being in the news all the time.

I feel that this was in part motivated by jealousy. Eric wanted the upcoming massacre to be the most infamous crime in American history and yet here was OJ getting loads upon loads of media attention for only two murders. He might've feared OJ would end up overshadowing NBK.

Wumselito wrote:

Littlelo wrote:

Almost sadder to me would be if both E&D survived but were never allowed to communicate again. (Call me weird or whatever but I find that idea sad)

I agree with you and have had the exact same thought, but if the van incident is anything to go by I kinda suspect that one or both would eventually turn on the other in court, which kinda ruins the often 'romanticized' "I'm going to die with you if you kill with me"-thing for me

I think they likely would have turned on each other as well. Hell Eric was fast to say that the van break in was ALL Dylan's idea. While Dylan said it was both their idea, that they thought about it at the same time.

So its not a stretch to think Eric might have been singing like a Canary trying to save his own ass.

I wonder if one of them trying to pin it on the other may have backfired or been seen as manipulative.

Guess it would depend on what kind of legal representation they had. If both boys had lived, I imagine there would be some contention between the Harris and Klebold families.

I wonder if they would have had the same lawyer?

I imagine they'd get life in prison and the trial would just be to see if they would be the death penalty?

I think they would have had the lawyers that their parents called on 4/20. They were anticipating they would have to represent them if they had lived through the shooting.

Wonder if either of them would have tried to plead insanity? Dylan was technically a minor but I think it has been speculated on the forum that he would have been tried as an adult.

They may have played up Dylan being depressed and under Eric's influence and that Eric's medicine made him not realize the extent of his actions

Littlelo wrote:

Wonder if either of them would have tried to plead insanity? Dylan was technically a minor but I think it has been speculated on the forum that he would have been tried as an adult.

I think the insanity issue wouldn't have been given much thought even if they had tried. Eric and Dylan were known to be smart, and somewhat manipulative.

I agree with Screaming. Dylan would have given them a slight pause with his sometimes off the wall writings, but ultimately I just don't see a judge/jury actually buying into that for very long if they looked at the whole picture.

I don't think they would have had much sympathy at all. I think they would have gotten life in prison though, not the death penalty.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Littlelo wrote:

Wonder if either of them would have tried to plead insanity? Dylan was technically a minor but I think it has been speculated on the forum that he would have been tried as an adult.

I think the insanity issue wouldn't have been given much thought even if they had tried. Eric and Dylan were known to be smart, and somewhat manipulative.

I agree with Screaming. Dylan would have given them a slight pause with his sometimes off the wall writings, but ultimately I just don't see a judge/jury actually buying into that for very long if they looked at the whole picture.

I also don't see the insanity defense working when you planned it for over a year.

I don't really see either of the boys lasting in prison.

Maybe if Eric bulked up....

Screamingophelia wrote:

I don't really see either of the boys lasting in prison. 

Protective Custody. That's what they placed James Holmes and Dylann Roof in.

Eric may learn as well that his friendship with Dylan wasn't as strong as he thought? That would probably make him pretty sad and angry. I listened to Sue's to ted talk again today and she called Eric controlling and now im hindsight seems to see the issues with their friendship.

Screamingophelia wrote:

Eric may learn as well that his friendship with Dylan wasn't as strong as he thought? That would probably make him pretty sad and angry. I listened to Sue's to ted talk again today and she called Eric controlling and now im hindsight seems to see the issues with their friendship.

I'm kind of torn about what Sue says sometimes.
On one hand she's Dylan's Mom, so she does know more than every single one of us. On the other hand I can't help but take anything she says about Eric with a grain of salt precisely because Dylan is her son and I feel like she's still holding onto the Eric the evil mastermind manipulator extraordinaire, Dylan the depressed follower narrative despite her saying she's not.

Wumselito wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

Eric may learn as well that his friendship with Dylan wasn't as strong as he thought? That would probably make him pretty sad and angry. I listened to Sue's to ted talk again today and she called Eric controlling and now im hindsight seems to see the issues with their friendship.

I'm kind of torn about what Sue says sometimes.
On one hand she's Dylan's Mom, so she does know more than any single one of us. On the other hand I can't help but take anything she says about Eric with a grain of salt precisely because Dylan is her son and I feel like she's still holding onto the Eric the evil mastermind manipulator extraordinaire, Dylan the depressed follower narrative despite her saying she's not.

I can agree with this. Also I am sure that Sue herself is sometimes torn and confused about the way she feels when faced with certain facts of the case and Dylan's obvious involvement.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Wumselito wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

Eric may learn as well that his friendship with Dylan wasn't as strong as he thought? That would probably make him pretty sad and angry. I listened to Sue's to ted talk again today and she called Eric controlling and now im hindsight seems to see the issues with their friendship.

I'm kind of torn about what Sue says sometimes.
On one hand she's Dylan's Mom, so she does know more than any single one of us. On the other hand I can't help but take anything she says about Eric with a grain of salt precisely because Dylan is her son and I feel like she's still holding onto the Eric the evil mastermind manipulator extraordinaire, Dylan the depressed follower narrative despite her saying she's not.

I can agree with this.  Also I am sure that Sue herself is sometimes torn and confused about the way she feels when faced with certain facts of the case and Dylan's obvious involvement.

I can as well, I think she still thinks of it as his involvement, not as part of the whole plan. He just wanted to die and wanted to take people down with him.

When Dylan finally told her he was getting angry she backed off.

Screamingophelia wrote:

If they were captured before they killed themselves and there was a trial, I wonder what evidence would be open to the public? More crime scene photos? Basement Tapes? Would the trial be covered like OJ Simpsons was? I assume we'd hear more from the Harris's.

I think the boys would try to  act like perfect gentlemen in court to be honest, I doubt there'd be shenanigans like I think TJ Lane?

Well I'm just now hearing about TJ Lane and I feel like Eric and Dylan would be totally different from how TJ acted in court. I think both Eric and Dylan would be more fearful as to what they're about to face (which would be prison time), so I think even if it were unreal, I think they would put on a display of remorse and sorrow - and then again, perhaps their display of remorse and sorrow would be real.

Also after watching A&E's 60 Days In, um, I think after their first week in prison, Dylan would commit suicide immediately and Eric, I feel it would take some emotional and mental breaking down in him but after being attacked a few times, he would join Dylan in death. I'm currently writing a fan-fiction story on what it would've been like had Eric and Dylan survived and went to court/trial and went to prison, how their time would be in prison. (if you want to call it that, although I'm not a fan)

I do wonder about the other outcomes, assuming that both didn't commit suicide. For instance, what would've happened if Dylan (somehow, despite everything) didn't commit suicide after Eric did, and turned himself in to police? Given Dylan's personality, is any aspect of that realistic?

I think Dylan would have definitely went through with it and killed himself because he wanted to die from the very beginning. I think it would have been a better chance of them being caught by police right before they 'killed themselves', if that had of happened and they had gotten caught, I think that would've been the way they would've gotten caught.

Lunkhead McGrath wrote:

Littlelo wrote:

I often wonder if they had lived what the "fandom" would be like and how different it might be. I honestly think them dying added to the mystery of it and gives them more fan girls today.

Certainly it does.  Somebody dies, they're "lost forever," and some girl's wish to have "saved" them can never come true.  

Think how badly people want Nick Drake live footage to turn up, because it never happened during his lifetime that they know of.  And if they did have it it probably wouldn't really be anything special.

I'm late on this, but Pink Moon is one of my favourite albums ever

I think Eric would actually be the first one to go. In real life, despite all of Dylan's lamentations on wanting to die, it was Eric that killed himself first and that showed a lot about both the boy's personalities.

When Eric said he was going to do something, he did it. I doubt he would have wanted to go to prison which would essentially be living in a Columbine-like world being insulted and bullied forever so he would've offed himself pretty quick. Dylan would waiver and go into depressions and then eventually I think he would top himself. Dylan was always the dreamer never the dooer, I'm pretty sure he wavered before shooting himself in the head in the library before he realised it was the safest and most sensible option for him.

Just my thoughts.

MalonsMilk wrote:

I think Eric would actually be the first one to go. In real life, despite all of Dylan's lamentations on wanting to die, it was Eric that killed himself first and that showed a lot about both the boy's personalities.

When Eric said he was going to do something, he did it. I doubt he would have wanted to go to prison which would essentially be living in a Columbine-like world being insulted and bullied forever so he would've offed himself pretty quick. Dylan would waiver and go into depressions and then eventually I think he would top himself. Dylan was always the dreamer never the dooer, I'm pretty sure he wavered before shooting himself in the head in the library before he realised it was the safest and most sensible option for him.

Just my thoughts.

You make some good points.

Just makes me think what a terrifying, short time it must have been for Dylan in between his and Eric's suicides. Nothing could have prepared him for that. Seeing his best friend shoot himself. Realizing in that brief moment, he was all alone. There was no going back.

That's actually one of the scariest things to me.

Littlelo wrote:

MalonsMilk wrote:

I think Eric would actually be the first one to go. In real life, despite all of Dylan's lamentations on wanting to die, it was Eric that killed himself first and that showed a lot about both the boy's personalities.

When Eric said he was going to do something, he did it. I doubt he would have wanted to go to prison which would essentially be living in a Columbine-like world being insulted and bullied forever so he would've offed himself pretty quick. Dylan would waiver and go into depressions and then eventually I think he would top himself. Dylan was always the dreamer never the dooer, I'm pretty sure he wavered before shooting himself in the head in the library before he realised it was the safest and most sensible option for him.

Just my thoughts.

You make some good points.

Just makes me think what a terrifying, short time it must have been for Dylan in between his and Eric's suicides. Nothing could have prepared him for that. Seeing his best friend shoot himself. Realizing in that brief moment, he was all alone. There was no going back.

That's actually one of the scariest things to me.

By then their lives were so intertwined too. Suddenly they didn’t even have each other

Screamingophelia wrote:

Littlelo wrote:

MalonsMilk wrote:

I think Eric would actually be the first one to go. In real life, despite all of Dylan's lamentations on wanting to die, it was Eric that killed himself first and that showed a lot about both the boy's personalities.

When Eric said he was going to do something, he did it. I doubt he would have wanted to go to prison which would essentially be living in a Columbine-like world being insulted and bullied forever so he would've offed himself pretty quick. Dylan would waiver and go into depressions and then eventually I think he would top himself. Dylan was always the dreamer never the dooer, I'm pretty sure he wavered before shooting himself in the head in the library before he realised it was the safest and most sensible option for him.

Just my thoughts.

You make some good points.

Just makes me think what a terrifying, short time it must have been for Dylan in between his and Eric's suicides. Nothing could have prepared him for that. Seeing his best friend shoot himself. Realizing in that brief moment, he was all alone. There was no going back.

That's actually one of the scariest things to me.

By then their lives were so intertwined too. Suddenly they didn’t even have each other

It's so tragic. So sad thinking of how unnecessary every death was that day.

MalonsMilk wrote:

I think Eric would actually be the first one to go. In real life, despite all of Dylan's lamentations on wanting to die, it was Eric that killed himself first and that showed a lot about both the boy's personalities.

When Eric said he was going to do something, he did it. I doubt he would have wanted to go to prison which would essentially be living in a Columbine-like world being insulted and bullied forever so he would've offed himself pretty quick. Dylan would waiver and go into depressions and then eventually I think he would top himself. Dylan was always the dreamer never the dooer, I'm pretty sure he wavered before shooting himself in the head in the library before he realised it was the safest and most sensible option for him.

Just my thoughts.

I get the feeling that Dylan was nervous about dying. Like he wasn't sure if it was the right choice or not.

QuestionMark wrote:

MalonsMilk wrote:

I think Eric would actually be the first one to go. In real life, despite all of Dylan's lamentations on wanting to die, it was Eric that killed himself first and that showed a lot about both the boy's personalities.

When Eric said he was going to do something, he did it. I doubt he would have wanted to go to prison which would essentially be living in a Columbine-like world being insulted and bullied forever so he would've offed himself pretty quick. Dylan would waiver and go into depressions and then eventually I think he would top himself. Dylan was always the dreamer never the dooer, I'm pretty sure he wavered before shooting himself in the head in the library before he realised it was the safest and most sensible option for him.

Just my thoughts.

I get the feeling that Dylan was nervous about dying. Like he wasn't sure if it was the right choice or not.

Despite all of Eric's bravado he may have even been more suicidal than Dylan. He wasn't afraid, Dylan was.. I think Dylan had hope for a while that things could change, they didn't and he got someone who would do NBK with him. I still think it has to fuck with his friend and families heads that the boys not only were willing to kill together but die together... think about the people you would actually DIE for and with..

Screamingophelia wrote:

QuestionMark wrote:

MalonsMilk wrote:

I think Eric would actually be the first one to go. In real life, despite all of Dylan's lamentations on wanting to die, it was Eric that killed himself first and that showed a lot about both the boy's personalities.

When Eric said he was going to do something, he did it. I doubt he would have wanted to go to prison which would essentially be living in a Columbine-like world being insulted and bullied forever so he would've offed himself pretty quick. Dylan would waiver and go into depressions and then eventually I think he would top himself. Dylan was always the dreamer never the dooer, I'm pretty sure he wavered before shooting himself in the head in the library before he realised it was the safest and most sensible option for him.

Just my thoughts.

I get the feeling that Dylan was nervous about dying. Like he wasn't sure if it was the right choice or not.

Despite all of Eric's bravado he may have even been more suicidal than Dylan. He wasn't afraid, Dylan was.. I think Dylan had hope for a while that things could change, they didn't and he got someone who would do NBK with him. I still think it has to fuck with his friend and families heads that the boys not only were willing to kill together but die together... think about the people you would actually DIE for and with..

This is a major factor in my interest in Columbine - not only did Eric and Dylan want to cause others to die, but agreed to also die during NBK. That is so unusual.

spinvault wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

QuestionMark wrote:

MalonsMilk wrote:

I think Eric would actually be the first one to go. In real life, despite all of Dylan's lamentations on wanting to die, it was Eric that killed himself first and that showed a lot about both the boy's personalities.

When Eric said he was going to do something, he did it. I doubt he would have wanted to go to prison which would essentially be living in a Columbine-like world being insulted and bullied forever so he would've offed himself pretty quick. Dylan would waiver and go into depressions and then eventually I think he would top himself. Dylan was always the dreamer never the dooer, I'm pretty sure he wavered before shooting himself in the head in the library before he realised it was the safest and most sensible option for him.

Just my thoughts.

I get the feeling that Dylan was nervous about dying. Like he wasn't sure if it was the right choice or not.

Despite all of Eric's bravado he may have even been more suicidal than Dylan. He wasn't afraid, Dylan was.. I think Dylan had hope for a while that things could change, they didn't and he got someone who would do NBK with him. I still think it has to fuck with his friend and families heads that the boys not only were willing to kill together but die together... think about the people you would actually DIE for and with..

This is a major factor in my interest in Columbine - not only did Eric and Dylan want to cause others to die, but agreed to also die during NBK. That is so unusual.

It's been one of mine too. I have been interested since day one, granted (I know I am repeating myself) I did take about 10/15 years off from research, with the occasional check in but yea, their friendship is fascinating to me.

Screamingophelia wrote:

Despite all of Eric's bravado he may have even been more suicidal than Dylan. 

In a certain sense I think that this was part of his bravado, in the sense that he wasn't scared to die.

QuestionMark wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

Despite all of Eric's bravado he may have even been more suicidal than Dylan. 

In a certain sense I think that this was part of his bravado, in the sense that he wasn't scared to die.

It does seem strange to me, maybe because I don't have a lot of knowledge about suicide, but Eric wanted everyone to know how superior he was to them from his journal writings. He called himself a god. Why would he then end his life on the same day in the same room as his victims who were "beneath" him in his mind? What's the thought process behind having to die too?

Littlelo wrote:

QuestionMark wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

Despite all of Eric's bravado he may have even been more suicidal than Dylan. 

In a certain sense I think that this was part of his bravado, in the sense that he wasn't scared to die.

It does seem strange to me, maybe because I don't have a lot of knowledge about suicide, but Eric wanted everyone to know how superior he was to them from his journal writings. He called himself a god. Why would he then end his life on the same day in the same room as his victims who were "beneath" him in his mind? What's the thought process behind having to die too?

That's a good discussion. It also brings me back to the whole who said 'are you still with me, are we still doing this" which Lisa K said she heard when they came into the library the second time.

Eric talked about his impending death in the BT, but Dylan screamed it from the rooftops that day.

I can get behind why the chose the library, since it was near the big windows where cops were but I'm not sure why the decided to die there.

I find it interesting that Eric died first too.

Screamingophelia wrote:

Littlelo wrote:

QuestionMark wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

Despite all of Eric's bravado he may have even been more suicidal than Dylan. 

In a certain sense I think that this was part of his bravado, in the sense that he wasn't scared to die.

It does seem strange to me, maybe because I don't have a lot of knowledge about suicide, but Eric wanted everyone to know how superior he was to them from his journal writings. He called himself a god. Why would he then end his life on the same day in the same room as his victims who were "beneath" him in his mind? What's the thought process behind having to die too?

That's a good discussion. It also brings me back to the whole who said 'are you still with me, are we still doing this" which Lisa K said she heard when they came into the library the second time.

Eric talked about his impending death in the BT, but Dylan screamed it from the rooftops that day.

I can get behind why the chose the library, since it was near the big windows where cops were but I'm not sure why the decided to die there.

I find it interesting that Eric died first too.

If only we knew who said that. I am so curious. It would say a lot about their dynamic.

  

MrHorror93700 wrote:

I always wondered what would happen if eric had betrayed dylan:

●1 Eric ties/attaches Dylan (to prevent him from committing suicide)

●2 Eric commits suicide

●3 Dylan is alone, then the police capture him ...

That would be pretty messed up. I don't think either would have done something like that. But if it did happen, I'm sure Eric would be blamed as the mastermind since he wouldn't be alive to defend himself and Dylan would need some kind of excuse (if he chose to defend himself in the aftermath).

MrHorror93700 wrote:

I always wondered what would happen if eric had betrayed dylan:

●1 Eric ties/attaches Dylan (to prevent him from committing suicide)

●2 Eric commits suicide

●3 Dylan is alone, then the police capture him ...

That would be an interesting concept. As I think Dylan needed Eric and NBK to be able to commit suicide. But either way I think Dylan would have found some way to kill himself. It may have taken him a little time to work up the nerve to do it, but eventually he would have done it. Same if he was captured after NBK, he would have found a way to die.