If E & D didn't die

MalonsMilk wrote:

I think Eric would actually be the first one to go. In real life, despite all of Dylan's lamentations on wanting to die, it was Eric that killed himself first and that showed a lot about both the boy's personalities.

When Eric said he was going to do something, he did it. I doubt he would have wanted to go to prison which would essentially be living in a Columbine-like world being insulted and bullied forever so he would've offed himself pretty quick. Dylan would waiver and go into depressions and then eventually I think he would top himself. Dylan was always the dreamer never the dooer, I'm pretty sure he wavered before shooting himself in the head in the library before he realised it was the safest and most sensible option for him.

Just my thoughts.

I agree with this. In my opinion there was no way Eric would have backed away from his suicide. He knew it was going to be his last rebellious act. If anyone could have had the capability of backing out it would be Dylan. He had talked of death and his own suicide for years. Yet to our knowledge never attempted it. I think after Eric killed himself, Dylan knew it was now or never and pulled the trigger.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

MalonsMilk wrote:

I think Eric would actually be the first one to go. In real life, despite all of Dylan's lamentations on wanting to die, it was Eric that killed himself first and that showed a lot about both the boy's personalities.

When Eric said he was going to do something, he did it. I doubt he would have wanted to go to prison which would essentially be living in a Columbine-like world being insulted and bullied forever so he would've offed himself pretty quick. Dylan would waiver and go into depressions and then eventually I think he would top himself. Dylan was always the dreamer never the dooer, I'm pretty sure he wavered before shooting himself in the head in the library before he realised it was the safer st and most sensible option for him.

Just my thoughts.

I agree with this. In my opinion there was no way Eric would have backed away from his suicide. He knew it was going to be his last rebellious act.  If anyone could have had the capability of backing out it would be Dylan. He had talked of death and his own suicide for years. Yet to our knowledge never attempted it.  I think after Eric killed himself, Dylan knew it was now or never and pulled the trigger.

I’d assume we’d know about Dylan’s Suicide attempt(s) from Sue.

I agree, once Eric pulled the trigger Dylan realized he had to do it.

Forgive me for my ignorance, but is there any reason he lit a Molotov cocktail? Was it maybe to try to set the library on fire?

Screamingophelia wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

MalonsMilk wrote:

I think Eric would actually be the first one to go. In real life, despite all of Dylan's lamentations on wanting to die, it was Eric that killed himself first and that showed a lot about both the boy's personalities.

When Eric said he was going to do something, he did it. I doubt he would have wanted to go to prison which would essentially be living in a Columbine-like world being insulted and bullied forever so he would've offed himself pretty quick. Dylan would waiver and go into depressions and then eventually I think he would top himself. Dylan was always the dreamer never the dooer, I'm pretty sure he wavered before shooting himself in the head in the library before he realised it was the safer st and most sensible option for him.

Just my thoughts.

I agree with this. In my opinion there was no way Eric would have backed away from his suicide. He knew it was going to be his last rebellious act.  If anyone could have had the capability of backing out it would be Dylan. He had talked of death and his own suicide for years. Yet to our knowledge never attempted it.  I think after Eric killed himself, Dylan knew it was now or never and pulled the trigger.

I’d assume we’d know about Dylan’s Suicide attempt(s) from Sue.

I agree, once Eric pulled the trigger Dylan realized he had to do it.

Forgive me for my ignorance, but is there any reason he lit a Molotov cocktail? Was it maybe to try to set the library on fire?

I think it can be chalked up as a last "F*CK YOU!", or that is how I always took it. Whether he intended to try to burn the library down or maybe just his and Eric's bodies is not known. But people have their own opinions about that last act.

Littlelo wrote:

He called himself a god. Why would he then end his life on the same day in the same room as his victims who were "beneath" him in his mind? What's the thought process behind having to die too?

I think he went to the library to take a couple of shots at the police. When the cops didn't kill him he just decided to die right then and there.

The reason he decided he had to die along with his victims is pretty simple, he didn't want to go to prison.

QuestionMark wrote:

Littlelo wrote:

He called himself a god. Why would he then end his life on the same day in the same room as his victims who were "beneath" him in his mind? What's the thought process behind having to die too?

I think he went to the library to take a couple of shots at the police. When the cops didn't kill him he just decided to die right then and there.

The reason he decided he had to die along with his victims is pretty simple, he didn't want to go to prison.

I've always been conflicted as to how exactly he wanted to die. Because at times it seemed like he wanted to be killed by police fire, but he also seemed ok with the idea of taking his own life, which was the ultimate control. If Eric 100% wanted the police to kill him he could have made it happen. I guess he didn't want to take a chance and get caught alive.

Littlelo wrote:

I've always been conflicted as to how exactly he wanted to die. Because at times it seemed like he wanted to be killed by police fire, but he also seemed ok with the idea of taking his own life, which was the ultimate control. If Eric 100% wanted the police to kill him he could have made it happen. I guess he didn't want to take a chance and get caught alive.

Agreed. I think he didn't care how he died, but didn't really want to risk getting caught either. Eric wanted to be in control of his death, which is probably why he did decide to kill himself rather then try for a suicide by cop type situation.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Littlelo wrote:

I've always been conflicted as to how exactly he wanted to die. Because at times it seemed like he wanted to be killed by police fire, but he also seemed ok with the idea of taking his own life, which was the ultimate control. If Eric 100% wanted the police to kill him he could have made it happen. I guess he didn't want to take a chance and get caught alive.

Agreed. I think he didn't care how he died, but didn't really want to risk getting caught either. Eric wanted to be in control of his death, which is probably why he did decide to kill himself rather then try for a suicide by cop type situation.

It does make me wonder if Eric and/or Dylan tried to leave the school if the cops or Swat would shoot to kill them or wound them so they could be arrested? Eric put a lot of money on the fact that the cops would kill them. I have to agree that committing suicide would be the ultimate control.

Screamingophelia wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Littlelo wrote:

I've always been conflicted as to how exactly he wanted to die. Because at times it seemed like he wanted to be killed by police fire, but he also seemed ok with the idea of taking his own life, which was the ultimate control. If Eric 100% wanted the police to kill him he could have made it happen. I guess he didn't want to take a chance and get caught alive.

Agreed. I think he didn't care how he died, but didn't really want to risk getting caught either. Eric wanted to be in control of his death, which is probably why he did decide to kill himself rather then try for a suicide by cop type situation.

It does make me wonder if Eric and/or Dylan tried to leave the school if the cops or Swat would shoot to kill them or wound them so they could be arrested? Eric put a lot of money on the fact that the cops would kill them. I have to agree that committing suicide would be the ultimate control.

Good question. I think if they left the school and were coming for the police with weapons drawn they may have been killed. But if they simply tried to flee and make their escape, the police could have tried to shoot them to incapacitate them instead.

Littlelo wrote:

I've always been conflicted as to how exactly he wanted to die. Because at times it seemed like he wanted to be killed by police fire, but he also seemed ok with the idea of taking his own life, which was the ultimate control. If Eric 100% wanted the police to kill him he could have made it happen. I guess he didn't want to take a chance and get caught alive.

A shotgun blast through the roof of your mouth is also a lot quicker and less potentially painful then taking a few rounds to the chest.

I’m still not sure why Dylan chose his temple. I’ve read conflicting reports on if he felt anything for those several minutes or if he was brain dead

Screamingophelia wrote:

I’m still not sure why Dylan chose his temple. I’ve read conflicting reports on if he felt anything for those several minutes or if he was brain dead

I would say that he had saw it in a movie somewhere, and thought it would do the job instantly.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

I’m still not sure why Dylan chose his temple. I’ve read conflicting reports on if he felt anything for those several minutes or if he was brain dead

I would say that he had saw it in a movie somewhere, and thought it would do the job instantly.

That's the most likely reason. He was certainly acting like he was a deranged killer in a movie.

His "Die Mother fuckers" line in the library.. if one believes the transcripts. I only hear him go hahaha, shut the fuck up (to Val) and Everybody get up now on the 911 call.