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All three rules threads on this forum make it abundantly clear that the suicide photos cannot be posted or linked in any fashion. They are only to be shared via PMs.
Please do not post any link that leads to these photos again.
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] has been banned. I made it clear to him in an email back in November (when he had a temporary ban) that these photos were not allowed in any way whatsoever. And here he is, less than 2 months later, trying to post them for the millionth time.
It's obvious to me now he was just trolling the forum.
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Subject: Re: Restored Suicide Photos Wed Jan 03, 2018 3:54 am
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] has been banned. I made it clear to him in an email back in November (when he had a temporary ban) that these photos were not allowed in any way whatsoever. And here he is, less than 2 months later, trying to post them for the millionth time.
It's obvious to me now he was just trolling the forum.
I was going to reply to this topic asking about what he was banned for this time, but it seems you already explained why. I did start to kind of like him, but rules are rules.
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Subject: Re: Restored Suicide Photos Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:19 am
I assume we got the photos before we banned him!?
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Subject: Re: Restored Suicide Photos Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:20 am
Draw_It_White wrote:
I assume we got the photos before we banned him!?
Probably not.
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Subject: Re: Restored Suicide Photos Thu Jan 04, 2018 6:04 am
ShadowedGoddess wrote:
Draw_It_White wrote:
I assume we got the photos before we banned him!?
Probably not.
You'd have to ask [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] because she's the one who removed the link. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], did you happen to save the actual pictures he was talking about?
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Subject: Re: Restored Suicide Photos Thu Jan 04, 2018 6:18 am
InsaneIntruder wrote:
Jenn wrote:
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] has been banned. I made it clear to him in an email back in November (when he had a temporary ban) that these photos were not allowed in any way whatsoever. And here he is, less than 2 months later, trying to post them for the millionth time.
It's obvious to me now he was just trolling the forum.
I was going to reply to this topic asking about what he was banned for this time, but it seems you already explained why. I did start to kind of like him, but rules are rules.
I tried quite a few times to get him to stop trying to see what he could get away with. I even spoke to him through emails. I really didn't want to ban him because he seemed to really like it here but he was constantly doing stuff that I asked him not to do and stuff that he told me (many times) during our conversations that he wouldn't do.
And I couldn't even tell you the exact number of complaints that I got about him because there were so many. People were sending me private messages, sending me anonymous messages, sending me abuse complaints. One person even contacted me on the Columbine Facebook page about him. He'd call people names when I asked him not to, he tried posting those suicide pictures 6 different times after I told him in an email that they were not allowed to be posted on the forum in any way whatsoever and he agreed that he wouldn't do it again. That was only a month or so ago, sometime around mid November.
Now I'm pretty sure that he was just trolling the forum. I don't think he really wanted to be here because he was rude to just about everybody he talked to and he would intentionally break rules that I asked him not to and rules that he agreed not to break anymore. I've given him so many chances but I now I realize he was just here to troll.
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Subject: Re: Restored Suicide Photos Thu Jan 04, 2018 9:48 am
InsaneIntruder wrote:
I was going to reply to this topic asking about what he was banned for this time, but it seems you already explained why. I did start to kind of like him, but rules are rules.
I had gotten used to him as well, and would mostly ignore the posts that he was clearly trying to get a rise out of me with. Which was mainly anything relating to children.
He was ok other then he did like to try to rub people the wrong way, whether he would admit it or not.
Also he apparently thought that the rules didn't apply to him and kept trying to find ways around them. Especially in regards to the suicide pictures. He knew that Jenn didn't allow them BUT still couldn't stop trying to get them on here in some way.
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] You probably gave him more chances then he deserved, as he didn't seem to appreciate it in the least.
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You'd have to ask [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] because she's the one who removed the link. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], did you happen to save the actual pictures he was talking about?
No, I didn't. What he had posted was a file sharing link.
Regardless, it's still against your rules to publicly post links to those photos in any fashion, and that's why I removed it.
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Subject: Re: Restored Suicide Photos Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:55 am
He emailed me today to tell me that he didn't think posting a link to his restored suicide photos would be a problem since it was a link and not the actual photos. He also told me that he started thinking that perhaps it might be against the rules, and so he came back to try and delete the thread but he had already been banned by the time he tried to do it. And he also gave me the link to the restored photos and he did do a really good job with them.
Finding out this information and seeing that he actually did work hard to restore the photos and he wasn't just trolling, his ban will not be permanent.
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He hasn't logged back into the forum yet because he hasn't read my email to let him know he's been un-banned. I have a link to the photos. If you want them, I can send them to you now.
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He hasn't logged back into the forum yet because he hasn't read my email to let him know he's been un-banned. I have a link to the photos. If you want them, I can send them to you now.
Please send me the link too.
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He hasn't logged back into the forum yet because he hasn't read my email to let him know he's been un-banned. I have a link to the photos. If you want them, I can send them to you now.
I would like to see them
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Okay banned for linking to the suicide photos, unbanned for not trolling, got it.
So, is it okay to "link" to the suicide photos now?
*Just so I can understand what is going on, thank you.
Who said it was "OK"? I never said it was OK to link the suicide photos. I banned him for linking the suicide photos. However, he emailed me and he apologized and explained that he didn't think it would be a problem if it was just a link and not the actual photos. He also told me that after he posted the link, he started to think that maybe it would be a problem and so he wanted to try and delete the thread and find out first if he could link them, but by the time he got back to the thread, he had already been banned.
I was content with his apology and his explanation. I'm not really sure how this affects you in any way whatsoever though. Or why you felt the need to leave me this sarcastic comment. You of all people should know what it's like to break forum rules and still be given chance after chance to improve your behavior on the forum.
You posted instructions, twice, on how to build bombs and that rule is by far a bigger one to break than the suicide photos, yet, I didn't ban you, did I? And with you, I never once got an apology for posting instructions on how to build bombs. At least he apologized to me and gave me an explanation. You, on the hand, did none of that and actually implied that I treated you unfairly. Even though there were many times I could have banned you too but I didn't.
Because regardless of what you think of me, I honestly don't like to ban people who truly wanna be here. And I'm actually pretty easy to work with and I am all for giving people chances to fix their mistakes.
So does that answer your question? Do you have a "better understanding" now?
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To the people wanting to have the pictures private messaged to them - if he hasn't PMed them to you yet and you would like to see them, please send me a PM and I will send you the link. I'm not sure who he already sent the pictures to, so if you haven't received them yet, you can message me and I'll send them.
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Subject: Re: Restored Suicide Photos Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:57 am
Oh well, I was simply asking for clarification, thank you.
Since you like to refer to me posting about Columbine bomb stuff, I would like people to know that I simply posted pipe bomb/car bomb text (like parts/components) that are listed in the 11K, that's all. No intention of giving out "instructions" - just listing evidence, etc. BUT
I understand you are sensitive to the bomb stuff so I do not post about it but anybody can read it in the 11K.
That's all.
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Subject: Re: Restored Suicide Photos Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:49 am
sororityalpha wrote:
Oh well, I was simply asking for clarification, thank you.
Since you like to refer to me posting about Columbine bomb stuff, I would like people to know that I simply posted pipe bomb/car bomb text (like parts/components) that are listed in the 11K, that's all. No intention of giving out "instructions" - just listing evidence, etc. BUT
I understand you are sensitive to the bomb stuff so I do not post about it but anybody can read it in the 11K.
That's all.
If it was up to me you would have been banned long ago. Be thankful for Jenn's forgiving nature.
I'm glad mordupen is allowed back. I never had a problem with him.
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Subject: Re: Restored Suicide Photos Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:49 pm
Whatever [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], I was simply asking for clarification, thank you.
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], you should be thankful as well because she allowed you to come back after your ban.
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Subject: Re: Restored Suicide Photos Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:06 pm
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Whatever [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], I was simply asking for clarification, thank you.
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], you should be thankful as well because she allowed you to come back after your ban.
I never said I wasn't thankful. I was simply telling you to behave yourself.
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Subject: Re: Restored Suicide Photos Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:22 pm
sororityalpha wrote:
Whatever [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], I was simply asking for clarification, thank you.
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], you should be thankful as well because she allowed you to come back after your ban.
You reek of disdain.
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Subject: Re: Restored Suicide Photos Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:21 pm
mordupen wrote:
sororityalpha wrote:
Whatever [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], I was simply asking for clarification, thank you.
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], you should be thankful as well because she allowed you to come back after your ban.
You reek of disdain.
Slow down there Buckaroo! Lets not go picking fights on your first day back.
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Subject: Re: Restored Suicide Photos Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:21 pm
I did notice Dylan was not wearing his necklace and he does have an odd brown spot on his arm.
I apologize Jenn I am not sure if we can talk about what we are seeing. I say that with no sarcasm, I don't know if we can start a discussion?
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Subject: Re: Restored Suicide Photos Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:20 pm
Screamingophelia wrote:
I did notice Dylan was not wearing his necklace and he does have an odd brown spot on his arm.
I apologize Jenn I am not sure if we can talk about what we are seeing. I say that with no sarcasm, I don't know if we can start a discussion?
Discussions about the pictures and what you see in the pictures is fine. I have no problem with that. I just don't want the actual pictures, links to the pictures, videos of the pictures or anything like that posted to the forum.
And again, if anyone wants to see the pictures that [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] restored, you can PM him and he'd gladly send them to you. If he isn't available, you can PM me and I'd gladly send them to you. If you wanna start a discussion here on the forum about what you see in the pictures or have questions for him about the pictures, that's all fine. Just do not upload the actual pictures.
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Subject: Re: Restored Suicide Photos Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:33 pm
Jenn wrote:
Screamingophelia wrote:
I did notice Dylan was not wearing his necklace and he does have an odd brown spot on his arm.
I apologize Jenn I am not sure if we can talk about what we are seeing. I say that with no sarcasm, I don't know if we can start a discussion?
Discussions about the pictures and what you see in the pictures is fine. I have no problem with that. I just don't want the actual pictures, links to the pictures, videos of the pictures or anything like that posted to the forum.
And again, if anyone wants to see the pictures that [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] restored, you can PM him and he'd gladly send them to you. If he isn't available, you can PM me and I'd gladly send them to you. If you wanna start a discussion here on the forum about what you see in the pictures or have questions for him about the pictures, that's all fine. Just do not upload the actual pictures.
Thanks Jenn!!
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Subject: Re: Restored Suicide Photos Sun Jan 14, 2018 12:39 am
Screamingophelia wrote:
I did notice Dylan was not wearing his necklace and he does have an odd brown spot on his arm.
I apologize Jenn I am not sure if we can talk about what we are seeing. I say that with no sarcasm, I don't know if we can start a discussion?
On the autopsy report he was still wearing his ring I believe, it was underneath his glove.
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Subject: Re: Restored Suicide Photos Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:12 pm
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] - A lot of people, including myself, had thought that Dylan had taken off his jewelry and set it aside. You know, like maybe he wanted his parents to have those things back. I'm sure they'd want anything back that he had on him that day.
However, the more I read about it and looked into it, it seems that whatever jewelry was removed, it was done by the police or the coroner and then the items were just thrown in his body bag with him.
A side note: Dylan has some sort of thick black strap over his right shoulder. Does anyone know what that is? It's not suspenders because it was too thick of a strap to be suspenders and I don't think it's the gun strap for the Tec 9 because he is holding that in his left hand and that strap is a lot thinner and more like suspenders. I've always wondered what that was but never figured it out.
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Subject: Re: Restored Suicide Photos Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:29 pm
I have always felt weird about the whole Dylan taking off his jewlery thing, mainly because he obviously still had his hat on when he shot himself. That seems like the first thing you would take off if you're gonna shoot yourself in the head but then again it doesn't even make sense to care about doing any of that in a point of no return.
Dylan must have fallen with his exitwound on Erics leg right or else his brain matter wouldn't be on there. Is there any other info on which way Dylan was facing when he actually pulled the trigger? From this I take he was facing away from Eric when he shot himself, looking the same way as when he tossed that last molotov which makes me think he maybe never even turned around to see Eric before he killed himself.
What do you guys think? Did he turn around and see what the shotgun did to Erics head and that's why he used the tech 9 or did he just hear it, threw the molotov and then quickly killed himself as well.
Did they carry all their explosives on them or did they have a bag with them?
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Subject: Re: Restored Suicide Photos Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:41 pm
Wasn't Dylan left handed? Why is his right hand on the gun? Did I get entry/exitwound confused?
It makes no sense his exitwound would be on the right side of his face if he shot himself with his right hand.
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Subject: Re: Restored Suicide Photos Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:44 pm
And what is that white thing under the long gun?
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Subject: Re: Restored Suicide Photos Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:14 pm
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And what is that white thing under the long gun?
Paper. It's a Library.
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Subject: Re: Restored Suicide Photos Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:47 pm
munchkinphone wrote:
Wasn't Dylan left handed? Why is his right hand on the gun? Did I get entry/exitwound confused?
It makes no sense his exitwound would be on the right side of his face if he shot himself with his right hand.
Yes, he was left handed.
There was speculation that since he was rolled and he was coughing and possibly jerking around the gun switched hands somehow... I don't know what I think. OR he held it in his right hand. I'm not sure.
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Subject: Re: Restored Suicide Photos Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:54 pm
munchkinphone wrote:
I have always felt weird about the whole Dylan taking off his jewlery thing, mainly because he obviously still had his hat on when he shot himself. That seems like the first thing you would take off if you're gonna shoot yourself in the head but then again it doesn't even make sense to care about doing any of that in a point of no return.
Dylan must have fallen with his exitwound on Erics leg right or else his brain matter wouldn't be on there. Is there any other info on which way Dylan was facing when he actually pulled the trigger? From this I take he was facing away from Eric when he shot himself, looking the same way as when he tossed that last molotov which makes me think he maybe never even turned around to see Eric before he killed himself.
What do you guys think? Did he turn around and see what the shotgun did to Erics head and that's why he used the tech 9 or did he just hear it, threw the molotov and then quickly killed himself as well.
Did they carry all their explosives on them or did they have a bag with them?
I think they had the explosives with them, in the CCTV footage I don't see them with any bags.
I don't think he turned around. I think he just wanted to go as fast as possible. I know people had said Dylan's eyes were pretty dead and he was acting very cruel but there may have been something about seeing his best friend blow his head off he didn't want to see.
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Subject: Re: Restored Suicide Photos Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:59 pm
munchkinphone wrote:
I have always felt weird about the whole Dylan taking off his jewlery thing, mainly because he obviously still had his hat on when he shot himself. That seems like the first thing you would take off if you're gonna shoot yourself in the head but then again it doesn't even make sense to care about doing any of that in a point of no return.
Dylan must have fallen with his exitwound on Erics leg right or else his brain matter wouldn't be on there. Is there any other info on which way Dylan was facing when he actually pulled the trigger? From this I take he was facing away from Eric when he shot himself, looking the same way as when he tossed that last molotov which makes me think he maybe never even turned around to see Eric before he killed himself.
What do you guys think? Did he turn around and see what the shotgun did to Erics head and that's why he used the tech 9 or did he just hear it, threw the molotov and then quickly killed himself as well.
Did they carry all their explosives on them or did they have a bag with them?
Dylan was on his knees facing Eric. Shot himself in the left temple, fell forward onto Eric legs (Eric was already dead when Dylan shot himself). Dylan dropped the Tec 9 between his legs after he shot himself. Police came in and rolled him over onto his back. His legs are still in a kneeling position in the photos and his feet crossed each other when they rolled him over. Once he was rolled over, his right hand landed on top of the Tec 9 that was in between his legs. Because of rigor mortis, it appears that he had the gun in his hand, but he doesn't. It's just laying on top of it.
See that line of blood running across Dylan's chin. That never would have been possible if he was on his back. He was face down with his head tilted to the side long enough to form that line across his chin and dry. I feel very confident that is what happened.
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Subject: Re: Restored Suicide Photos Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:03 pm
Jenn wrote:
munchkinphone wrote:
I have always felt weird about the whole Dylan taking off his jewlery thing, mainly because he obviously still had his hat on when he shot himself. That seems like the first thing you would take off if you're gonna shoot yourself in the head but then again it doesn't even make sense to care about doing any of that in a point of no return.
Dylan must have fallen with his exitwound on Erics leg right or else his brain matter wouldn't be on there. Is there any other info on which way Dylan was facing when he actually pulled the trigger? From this I take he was facing away from Eric when he shot himself, looking the same way as when he tossed that last molotov which makes me think he maybe never even turned around to see Eric before he killed himself.
What do you guys think? Did he turn around and see what the shotgun did to Erics head and that's why he used the tech 9 or did he just hear it, threw the molotov and then quickly killed himself as well.
Did they carry all their explosives on them or did they have a bag with them?
Dylan was on his knees facing Eric. Shot himself in the left temple, fell forward onto Eric legs (Eric was already dead when Dylan shot himself). Dylan dropped the Tec 9 between his legs after he shot himself. Police came in and rolled him over onto his back. His legs are still in a kneeling position in the photos and his feet crossed each other when they rolled him over. Once he was rolled over, his right hand landed on top of the Tec 9 that was in between his legs. Because of rigor mortis, it appears that he had the gun in his hand, but he doesn't. It's just laying on top of it.
See that line of blood running across Dylan's chin. That never would have been possible if he was on his back. He was face down with his head tilted to the side long enough to form that line across his chin and dry. I feel very confident that is what happened.
That makes complete sense Thank you Jenn. The photos weren't taken until the day after, so rigor was setting in long before.
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Is there proof that those were Eric and Dylan's bags? A ton of students exited the cafeteria in a panic. I doubt they were all thinking "oh shit my science homework is in there, I better take my backpack"
Also while they were going around in the school shooting, I didn't read any witness statement stating they were carrying bags around with them.
Also to be honest, the pictures are too blurry for me to tell. I know they had the bags with propane tanks that they planted but after that I simply was not sure.
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I watched a pretty clear video on YouTube and I see Eric carrying it now!!
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