Did Nikolas Cruz like Columbine?

Was Nikolas Cruz known to have obsessed over Columbine or was he known to be a member of this forum?

He was clearly obsessed with guns, and said he wanted to be a professional school shooter. BUT even if he had never heard about Columbine(which is highly unlikely) the media will say he was obsessed with Columbine.

I don't think he has been connected to the forum.

I agree, the boys got what they wanted and even if the Cruz wrote “don’t try to compare me to those nerds in Colorado with their junk guns ahd German music” people would still compare.

Screamingophelia wrote:

I agree, the boys got what they wanted and even if the Cruz wrote “don’t try to compare me to those nerds in Colorado with their junk guns ahd German music” people would still compare.

Well it is true that all roads seem to lead back to Columbine when the media is talking about another school shooting, whether it really does or not.

I actually think its because the mere mention of Columbine is guaranteed to bring more viewers/readers etc.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

I agree, the boys got what they wanted and even if the Cruz wrote “don’t try to compare me to those nerds in Colorado with their junk guns ahd German music” people would still compare.

Well it is true that all roads seem to lead back to Columbine when the media is talking about another school shooting, whether it really does or not.

I actually think its because the mere mention of Columbine is guaranteed to bring more viewers/readers etc.

They even made a point to interview people from Columbine. Like this is a big tragedy these kids from the actual school are doing something about it but wait what do the kids from Columbine think???They definitely have an opinion!!!

Screamingophelia wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

I agree, the boys got what they wanted and even if the Cruz wrote “don’t try to compare me to those nerds in Colorado with their junk guns ahd German music” people would still compare.

Well it is true that all roads seem to lead back to Columbine when the media is talking about another school shooting, whether it really does or not.

I actually think its because the mere mention of Columbine is guaranteed to bring more viewers/readers etc.

They even made a point to interview people from Columbine. Like this is a big tragedy these kids from the actual school are doing something about it but wait what do  the kids from Columbine think???They definitely have an opinion!!!

EXACTLY!

Flanders Darrel wrote:

Was Nikolas Cruz known to have obsessed over Columbine or was he known to be a member of this forum?

I don't get why people keep asking if Nick was a member here. Plenty of school shootings happened before without people asking the question.

QuestionMark wrote:

Flanders Darrel wrote:

Was Nikolas Cruz known to have obsessed over Columbine or was he known to be a member of this forum?

I don't get why people keep asking if Nick was a member here. Plenty of school shootings happened before without people asking the question.

I think it stems from the fact that the last two recent shooters have been members here.

At least we know he researched about mass shooters on youtube

He did watch Zero Hour the day before the shooting if I'm correct

9mmtomyhead wrote:

He did watch Zero Hour the day before the shooting if I'm correct

It was a Zero Hour Columbine music video, but I’m not sure of the exact title.

Nikolas Cruz studied quite a few mass shooting's as his internet search history shows Columbine searches  
Columbine search phrases that he used
"Columbine diary"
"Columbine documentaries"
"Columbine/Pumped up kicks"

other cases that he looked at were.

> The Aurora theater shooting took a screenshot of the Wikipedia page
>The Marshall county high school shooting
>Red lake high school shooting
>Virginia tech shooting ( search phrases used "Video's made by VT shooter" "VT shooting documentaries" )
>Jokala high school shooting ( Search phrase used "Pekka Shooting Finland")
>He also commented on a video about Elliot Rodger  

Flanders Darrel wrote:

Was Nikolas Cruz known to have obsessed over Columbine?

He was aware of Columbine and had researched it but he was far from a fanatic. He seemed more interested in mass shootings as a whole rather than just Columbine (which I'm sure the media would love to portray him as).

Flanders Darrel wrote:

was he known to be a member of this forum?

No.

But how much (little) does it take for any shooter to be considered obsessed with Columbine? To me it has similarities as the based on a true story - trope we so often see in horror movies. "The killer was obsessed with Columbine" - I guess it probably sounds juicy and will draw attention and clicks to the story.

nat_reality wrote:

But how much (little) does it take for any shooter to be considered obsessed with Columbine?

According to Columbine "researchers" (*cough, cough* Dave Cullen) and the media: not much

He liked it and its perpetrators, but he was far more into the generic 'quiet kid'/'Pumped Up Kicks' memes that were popular at the time, as well as media about fictional, overtly stereotypical shooters (like Token's song Exception), than he was about E&D or any other specific real shooters.

The only people who still think he was specifically 'obsessed' with Columbine are people with a bias against those 'obsessed' with shooters in the first place.

Screamingophelia wrote:

I agree, the boys got what they wanted and even if the Cruz wrote “don’t try to compare me to those nerds in Colorado with their junk guns ahd German music” people would still compare.

This exact thing happened here in the UK. Raoul Moat got compared with Derrick Bird despite clearly stating that he hated him.

It seems like just knowing and writing one thing on Eric and Dylan will get a shooter into the “Columbine effect” Wikipedia list. Salvador Ramos and all these hood shootings avoid that list. Nikolas just researched them like a bazillion other attacks and watched the pumped up kicks edit which is why he’s on the list.

BlackAndWhiteKittenz wrote:

It seems like just knowing and writing one thing on Eric and Dylan will get a shooter into the “Columbine effect” Wikipedia list. Salvador Ramos and all these hood shootings avoid that list. Nikolas just researched them like a bazillion other attacks and watched the pumped up kicks edit which is why he’s on the list.

It makes it seem like more of a problem than it is, possibly deliberately and perhaps as a way to agitate for further censorship. After all, if the problem is people learning about previous mass killers then it’s easier to argue that information should be restricted.

Cruz probably had a surface-level knowledge of Columbine. Maybe a bit deeper, but I doubt it.

NEXT STEP UP wrote:

Cruz probably had a surface-level knowledge of Columbine. Maybe a bit deeper, but I doubt it.

He definitely researched it doesn't seem that he wanted to copy it basically.

He certainly did

Giving his deep obsession with guns and self-professed desire to become a ‘professional school shooter’ I find it unlikely that he wouldn’t have researched arguably the most infamous incident.

Of course Eric & Dylan would have hated him lol