How far do you think Eric and Dylan would get today?

The question basically is, in today's world, how far do you see Eric and Dylan getting in this " No tolerance" world for things like this. Like how far into their planning and plans do you think they would get?

Population Control wrote:

The question basically is, in today's world, how far do you see Eric and Dylan getting in this " No tolerance" world for things like this. Like how far into their planning and plans do you think they would get?

That is hard to say. I think they likely would have been able to get pretty far along the road to NBK IF Eric could stay off social media, and keep his cool. Also if Dylan could still keep everyone convinced that he was fine.

I mean take Nikolas Cruz for example, this kid was a walking/talking red flag if ever there was one, BUT he was still overlooked. His behavior was worse then Eric's and Dylan's combined.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Population Control wrote:

The question basically is, in today's world, how far do you see Eric and Dylan getting in this " No tolerance" world for things like this. Like how far into their planning and plans do you think they would get?

That is hard to say. I think they likely would have been able to get pretty far along the road to NBK IF Eric could stay off social media, and keep his cool. Also if Dylan could still keep everyone convinced that he was fine.

I mean take Nikolas Cruz for example, this kid was a walking/talking red flag if ever there was one, BUT he was still overlooked. His behavior was worse then Eric's and Dylan's combined.

Also Littleton has changed a lot since 1999, Denver is more progressive so they may have found more of a niche and may they wouldn't have been as bullied. Also we would have gotten the BT. I would say Eric would have had to have kept his cool like SG said, though he did love to leave his breadcrumbs and foreshadowing.

People would have hounded Dylan a lot more and maybe his story would have raised some eyebrows.

Would they have still broken into the van and built pipe bombs and stuff?

They would still commit the school shooting.  Look at all the red flags that Cruz was throwing out and he killed more than Eric and Dylan.  Plus there were laws that changed because of Columbine, such as the Gun Show Loophole.  Also, schools changed rules because of Columbine such as no trench coats and no mentioning of shooting or guns on school grounds.  If there were no Columbine, who’s to say these rules or laws would have ever changed?

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

That is hard to say. I think they likely would have been able to get pretty far along the road to NBK IF Eric could stay off social media, and keep his cool. Also if Dylan could still keep everyone convinced that he was fine. 

I could see Eric posting some kind of threat or warning on 4chan the day before the massacre. 

Screamingophelia wrote:

Also we would have gotten the BT.

Shit, TBT would've probably been posted on the internet. If they were smart about it they'd put it on a MediaFire account like Randy Stair.

QuestionMark wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

That is hard to say. I think they likely would have been able to get pretty far along the road to NBK IF Eric could stay off social media, and keep his cool. Also if Dylan could still keep everyone convinced that he was fine. 

I could see Eric posting some kind of threat or warning on 4chan the day before the massacre. 

Probably! I think REB would have to do some sort of trolling online.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

QuestionMark wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

That is hard to say. I think they likely would have been able to get pretty far along the road to NBK IF Eric could stay off social media, and keep his cool. Also if Dylan could still keep everyone convinced that he was fine. 

I could see Eric posting some kind of threat or warning on 4chan the day before the massacre. 

Probably! I think REB would have to do some sort of trolling online.

Yea all REB got to do was post in his AIM bio "student and the rest is still unpublished"

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Population Control wrote:

The question basically is, in today's world, how far do you see Eric and Dylan getting in this " No tolerance" world for things like this. Like how far into their planning and plans do you think they would get?

That is hard to say. I think they likely would have been able to get pretty far along the road to NBK IF Eric could stay off social media, and keep his cool. Also if Dylan could still keep everyone convinced that he was fine.

I mean take Nikolas Cruz for example, this kid was a walking/talking red flag if ever there was one, BUT he was still overlooked. His behavior was worse then Eric's and Dylan's combined.

u could run around the police station showing all the officers a rifle and telling them your plans to kill people and the cops still wouldnt care

Some of these answers remind me of 21 Jump Street, when the two characters go back to high school and are shocked that the weird kids are now the popular kids. But as someone who graduated high school a few years ago, I can tell you that the popular kids are pretty much the same as back then.

But in terms of progressiveness and alternative interests being more accepted, I think they might have been more accepted...except for the fact that Eric Harris alone was a huge dick, always looking to threaten people with his shitlist and just start shit in general. Even if he was in a more accepting environment, there is no doubt in my mind that he would still be disliked by people for being a dick.

Same goes for Dylan, even though I don't hear too much about him being a bully outwardly.

blackholesun wrote:

Some of these answers remind me of 21 Jump Street, when the two characters go back to high school and are shocked that the weird kids are now the popular kids.  But as someone who graduated high school a few years ago, I can tell you that the popular kids are pretty much the same as back then.

But in terms of progressiveness and alternative interests being more accepted, I think they might have been more accepted...except for the fact that Eric Harris alone was a huge dick, always looking to threaten people with his shitlist and just start shit in general.  Even if he was in a more accepting environment, there is no doubt in my mind that he would still be disliked by people for being a dick.

Same goes for Dylan, even though I don't hear too much about him being a bully outwardly.

It sounds like it was mostly Eric who instigated a lot. There’s a few different things here and there about Dylan but I feel like sometimes Dylan just got to the breaking point and lashed out where as Eric instigated more.

Some of the things people have said about Dylan sound really out of the blue for him. In the context of how he acted around his friends and family.

Well, considering the fact that suicide was always part of the plan, methinks they would have committed the crime anyway. They would probably aim for a higher death toll as well.

eldigato wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Population Control wrote:

The question basically is, in today's world, how far do you see Eric and Dylan getting in this " No tolerance" world for things like this. Like how far into their planning and plans do you think they would get?

That is hard to say. I think they likely would have been able to get pretty far along the road to NBK IF Eric could stay off social media, and keep his cool. Also if Dylan could still keep everyone convinced that he was fine.

I mean take Nikolas Cruz for example, this kid was a walking/talking red flag if ever there was one, BUT he was still overlooked. His behavior was worse then Eric's and Dylan's combined.

u could run around the police station showing all the officers a rifle and telling them your plans to kill people and the cops still wouldnt care

In certain areas it does seem like that doesn't it?

blackholesun wrote:

But in terms of progressiveness and alternative interests being more accepted, I think they might have been more accepted...except for the fact that Eric Harris alone was a huge dick, always looking to threaten people with his shitlist and just start shit in general.  Even if he was in a more accepting environment, there is no doubt in my mind that he would still be disliked by people for being a dick.

Same goes for Dylan, even though I don't hear too much about him being a bully outwardly.

Eric's Nazi crap at school would get him in huge trouble today. Hell, I'm surprised it didn't get him in more trouble in 1999. Of course, part of the reason these things would get him in huge trouble today is due to Columbine itself.

They also drew influence from things like the Oklahoma City Bombing whereas school shooters today are drawing from Columbine itself. Kids today don't know what the Oklahoma City Bombing even is.

Yeah, in the 2010's Eric doing the Hitler salute would have been reported and dealt with strictly. Not so sure about the 2000's - there was still quite a lot of homophobia and the like in most schools in the US, as far as I know. I may be wrong - I'm not an expert on schools.

Must disagree with you on how much kids know about the Oklahoma City Bombing. I know about it and I'm only 17. Then again I have a interest in terrorism and the far-right in general. How they think, and organise. How they recruit. It's the same for the Islamists - it's remarkable how much they have in common with one another.

Kathericat wrote:

Yeah, in the 2010's Eric doing the Hitler salute would have been reported and dealt with strictly. Not so sure about the 2000's - there was still quite a lot of homophobia and the like in most schools in the US, as far as I know. I may be wrong - I'm not an expert on schools. 

Homophobia =/= a tolerance for Nazi imagery and rhetoric.

I think the Basement Tapes would be on YouTube and freely available if they had done it nowadays. Someone would have found and saved them before they got took down.

They may not even have got as far as carrying out the act.

Draw_It_White wrote:

They may not even have got as far as carrying out the act.

Hitmen for Hire would get shit rained down on them for sure.