Sad Piece Of Background Info.

I thought this particular part was very sad concerning Dylan Klebold. This was allegedly stated by his mother and father when speaking to the detectives after the shooting.


"Mr. Klebold advised that the transition from Governor's Ranch Elementary to Ken Caryl Junior High could be described as from "cradle to reality." Mr. Klebold said that Dylan was sheltered at his classes at Governor's Ranch. The Klebold's perspective in that Dylan semmed well adjusted. Mrs. Klebold then stated the only time she ever saw Dylan cry was once when he came home from school and went to his bedroom. Dylan then took a box of stuffed toys from the closet and buried himself and fell asleep underneath the stuffed toys. Mrs. Klebold said that she checked on what the problem was, however, Dylan would never tell her what had caused him to cry."

I do recall reading about that incident. BUT I can't really remember when this was said to have taken place. Does anyone know exactly when this crying episode had supposedly happened?

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

I do recall reading about that incident. BUT I can't really remember when this was said to have taken place. Does anyone know exactly when this crying episode had supposedly happened?

I think in 7th grade.

In some places people combine this with the ketchup incident and say it was 16 year old Dylan crying in his closet...

I’m sure Dylan’s feelings after the ketchup was more rage than anything.

There isn't much info on the incident and bc Sue didn't pry we will never know what happened but I would assume it happened when he was in his first year at Ken Caryl

Lizpuff wrote:

There isn't much info on the incident and bc Sue didn't pry we will never know what happened but I would assume it happened when he was in his first year at Ken Caryl

Agree. The timeline for this has never been clear.

Screamingophelia wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

I do recall reading about that incident. BUT I can't really remember when this was said to have taken place. Does anyone know exactly when this crying episode had supposedly happened?

I think in 7th grade.

In some places people combine this with the ketchup incident and say it was 16 year old Dylan crying in his closet...

I’m sure Dylan’s feelings after the ketchup was more rage than anything.

The ketchup incident whether tampons or not supposedly made Dylan very upset as well. Perhaps rage on the outside but I dont doubt when he was alone in his room he was crying about it. He was a sensitive person for sure

I honestly don't think I could have that happen to either of my children without getting to the bottom of it. Especially if this was an older child.

In my opinion Dylan was seeking comfort during this act. Also the fact that these toys were boxed up in a closet makes me think that Dylan was possibly older when this incident occurred.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

I honestly don't think I could have that happen to either of my children without getting to the bottom of it. Especially if this was an older child.

In my opinion Dylan was seeking comfort during this act. Also the fact that these toys were boxed up in a closet makes me think that Dylan was possibly older when this incident occurred.

The things Sue DID let go probably bother her to this day. I agree that if my child were this upset there would be no way I would let it go. Same with the pushing incident where he told her he couldn't take much more or even the simple fact he looked like he was wasting away.

I get that Dylan was not big into sharing his personal feelings but he is your child. Sometimes pushing your way in is the best thing to do.

Lizpuff wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

I honestly don't think I could have that happen to either of my children without getting to the bottom of it. Especially if this was an older child.

In my opinion Dylan was seeking comfort during this act. Also the fact that these toys were boxed up in a closet makes me think that Dylan was possibly older when this incident occurred.

The things Sue DID let go probably bother her to this day.  I agree that if my child were this upset there would be no way I would let it go.  Same with the pushing incident where he told her he couldn't take much more or even the simple fact he looked like he was wasting away.

I get that Dylan was not big into sharing his personal feelings but he is your child.  Sometimes pushing your way in is the best thing to do.

Agreed. I'm sure Sue is haunted by many things. Hindsight is often very clear and very cruel.

I think Dylan still cried on the phone with Zach up until his senior year, and when you read about some of the two faced stuff he did to Dylan it kind of breaks your heart. Dylan never gave up on Zach being his best friend.

I am sure Dylan was humiliated and sad over the ketchup incident. I’m glad he had chad with him after but there’s nothing about Eric’s reaction or if anyone helped him.

I’m with you on your feelings on Sue. The pushing incident would have been a huge red flag. If my normally even tempered goof ball son told me he couldn’t control his anger towards me I’d sit right down with him. I’m sure she regrets that.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Hindsight is often very clear and very cruel.  

Indeed. There's a quote that's stuck with me over the years.

"For of all sad words of tongue or pen,
The saddest are these: "It might have been."" - John Whittier

I agree! I don't think we will ever know the exact date or time frame that took place. I don't understand how Sue could have just walked away seeing her child like that, and NOT got to the bottom of it! smh....

Another thing I found soooo SAD AND DEVESTATING!!! It brought me to tears is from the accounts of the "Basement Tapes." As far as what the transcripts say of what was seen and heard being on the tape. Eric Harris through out the basement tape said the specific word "SORRY" in terms of him apologizing to his mother, friends, and even the people he said he would kill and their families. He apologizes a total of 8 DIFFERENT TIMES through out the "Basement Tapes" (I specifically counted myself doing my own research and understanding of Eric Harris.) As well as crying at one point in his car. Where as Dylan only said "SORRY" one time, on the final tape, saying goodbye. (I also noticed in their Final Goodbye, Dylan only addresses his MOM, not his DAD. Yet his Dad had told investigators that they were close, and that Dylan was his 'best friend') I think for Dylan he already had a suicidal tendency, so it's almost maybe as if it still never registered to him what he was about to do. Or, he was just entirely prepared to end his life. But with Eric saying sorry 8 separate times, and even becoming emotional, you can really see how much this pain was haunting him I just wished someone would have paid more attention to him. I feel that IF someone would have gotten to Eric and understood and actually HELPED him. I don't think he would have done the shooting. Now Dylan seemed to already be suicidal, and concerning him I feel IF he would have gotten more help and attention especially from his parents instead of thinking they were giving him 'privacy' they would have noticed his depression, and could have started trying to get him proper help. And if Dylan's parent didn't, I feel he would have took his own life eventually.

rayybayy444 wrote:

I agree! I don't think we will ever know the exact date or time frame that took place. I don't understand how Sue could have just walked away seeing her child like that, and NOT got to the bottom of it! smh....

Another thing I found soooo SAD AND DEVESTATING!!! It brought me to tears  is from the accounts of the "Basement Tapes." As far as what the transcripts say of what was seen and heard being on the tape. Eric Harris through out the basement tape said the specific word "SORRY" in terms of him apologizing to his mother, friends, and even the people he said he would kill and their families. He apologizes a total of 8 DIFFERENT TIMES through out the "Basement Tapes" (I specifically counted myself doing my own research and understanding of Eric Harris.) As well as crying at one point in his car. Where as Dylan only said "SORRY" one time, on the final tape, saying goodbye. (I also noticed in their Final Goodbye, Dylan only addresses his MOM, not his DAD. Yet his Dad had told investigators that they were close, and that Dylan was his 'best friend') I think for Dylan he already had a suicidal tendency, so it's almost maybe as if it still never registered to him what he was about to do. Or, he was just entirely prepared to end his life. But with Eric saying sorry 8 separate times, and even becoming emotional, you can really see how much this pain was haunting him  I just wished someone would have paid more attention to him. I feel that IF someone would have gotten to Eric and understood and actually HELPED him. I don't think he would have done the shooting. Now Dylan seemed to already be suicidal, and concerning him I feel IF he would have gotten more help and attention especially from his parents instead of thinking they were giving him 'privacy' they would have noticed his depression, and could have started trying to get him proper help. And if Dylan's parent didn't, I feel he would have took his own life eventually.

Dylan spent the last few months of his life blaming everyone including his family for the massacre. TBH I am surprised he even said goodbye at all.

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I started to notice that! Dylan did seem as if he was starting to grow more and more frustrated towards his family. It makes me wonder what really went on in the Klebold home? The parents portrayed it as if everything was fine between them and Dylan, and that they were 'close' as any parents usually are with their teenage kids. But Dylan's accounts depict a different view into his relationships with his parents. To me one that seems very distant!

There are a lot of people who think along those lines as well. While I truly don't think the Klebold's were bad parents, I do think they were kind of just letting Dylan do his own thing.

They seemed to have just accepted the fake "I'm fine, everything is fine" front that Dylan presented, and went on about their business blind to what was really happening. They didn't dig, because they thought Dylan was OK.

As I said before, his parents looking back must hurt like hell every single time they pinpoint something that is now seen with 20/20 vision.

There is an interesting post I read and it had a story from Jeff Kass’s book


About a month after the van break-in, Dylan scratched something into another student’s locker. Peter Horvath, the dean, doesn’t know why Dylan chose the locker, and doesn’t recall the student’s name, only that the student felt threatened when he saw Dylan scratching with a paper clip. Because Dylan didn’t finish, the design he was scratching was unclear, Horvath says.

Dylan was detained, and Horvath was with him for about forty minutes while they waited for Tom Klebold to arrive and deal with the incident. “Dylan became very agitated” waiting for his father to come to school to discuss the situation with Peter, and began pacing around the room, according to a summary of Horvath’s interview with police.


Horvath tried to calm him down, and Dylan cussed at him, although it wasn’t personal. **********Dylan was “very upset with the school system and the way CHS handled people, to include the people that picked on him and others,” according to the police interview.

Horvath thought Dylan was a “pretty angry kid” who also had the impression that he had anger issues with his dad and was upset with “stuff at home,” the police report continued.

Tom Klebold, who Horvath thought of as an “Einstein” eventually arrived. With his glasses, and salt and pepper hair, he was proper, eloquent, and astute. He also had serious problems with this second suspension, and asked Dylan to leave the room—an unusual move in Horvath’s experience. “He [Tom] felt as though it was too severe for what had happened,” Horvath said of the standard, three-day suspension for essentially a vandalism charge. “Can’t we do anything else? Can’t he [Dylan] just do, you know, twenty-five hours of community service, thirty hours of community service?” Tom Klebold asked. Nope. Horvath didn’t budge. Peter sensed that Dylan had some anger issues with his father.


Michelle Hartsough also said Dylan hated his dad but she also said Dylan slapped her... I think Kristi and a few girls in their group knew her and said they didn’t like her.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

There are a lot of people who think along those lines as well. While I truly don't think the Klebold's were bad parents, I do think they were kind of just letting Dylan do his own thing.

They seemed to have just accepted the fake "I'm fine, everything is fine" front that Dylan presented, and went on about their business blind to what was really happening. They didn't dig, because they thought Dylan was OK.

As I said before, his parents looking back must hurt like hell every single time they pinpoint something that is now seen with 20/20 vision.

I think the Klebolds were probably better parents on average than a lot of families. It's just unfortunate for Sue & Tom that unlike most other families they were raising a son who also had homicidal intentions.

Szabo wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

There are a lot of people who think along those lines as well. While I truly don't think the Klebold's were bad parents, I do think they were kind of just letting Dylan do his own thing.

They seemed to have just accepted the fake "I'm fine, everything is fine" front that Dylan presented, and went on about their business blind to what was really happening. They didn't dig, because they thought Dylan was OK.

As I said before, his parents looking back must hurt like hell every single time they pinpoint something that is now seen with 20/20 vision.

I think the Klebolds were probably better parents on average than a lot of families. It's just unfortunate for Sue & Tom that unlike most other families they were raising a son who also had homicidal intentions.

True. It is clear that Dylan had desperately needed help for a few years. Sadly he hid his hurt, anger, and frustrations from nearly everyone. The only person he seemed to trust with that part of himself was Eric, who was struggling with his own issues.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Szabo wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

There are a lot of people who think along those lines as well. While I truly don't think the Klebold's were bad parents, I do think they were kind of just letting Dylan do his own thing.

They seemed to have just accepted the fake "I'm fine, everything is fine" front that Dylan presented, and went on about their business blind to what was really happening. They didn't dig, because they thought Dylan was OK.

As I said before, his parents looking back must hurt like hell every single time they pinpoint something that is now seen with 20/20 vision.

I think the Klebolds were probably better parents on average than a lot of families. It's just unfortunate for Sue & Tom that unlike most other families they were raising a son who also had homicidal intentions.

True. It is clear that Dylan had desperately needed help for a few years. Sadly he hid his hurt, anger, and frustrations from nearly everyone. The only person he seemed to trust with that part of himself was Eric, who was struggling with his own issues.

I truly believe, and I think 90% of people agree with me whether you’re researching or whether you knew E and D personally I don’t think it would’ve happened without one another.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

There are a lot of people who think along those lines as well. While I truly don't think the Klebold's were bad parents, I do think they were kind of just letting Dylan do his own thing. 

I think it could be argued that both families were like that. God knows Wayne and Kathy gave Eric way too much leeway.

QuestionMark wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

There are a lot of people who think along those lines as well. While I truly don't think the Klebold's were bad parents, I do think they were kind of just letting Dylan do his own thing. 

I think it could be argued that both families were like that. God knows Wayne and Kathy gave Eric way too much leeway.

I definitely feel like from the stories I’ve heard both their parents were more lenient than my parents were with me. And I did nothing.... I went to school went to dance class went to bed

QuestionMark wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

There are a lot of people who think along those lines as well. While I truly don't think the Klebold's were bad parents, I do think they were kind of just letting Dylan do his own thing. 

I think it could be argued that both families were like that. God knows Wayne and Kathy gave Eric way too much leeway.

Agreed. I mean Eric was testing out Napalm recipes and building bombs at his house for fucks sake.

Also that brings me to one question that has always bugged me. One that no one has ever been able to answer, which is how in the hell did Eric's mom and dad NOT smell him mixing gas and other shit and heating it at their house?

It's not like you could just spray a little air freshener and cover that kind of smell up. That has just never made any sense to me.  

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

QuestionMark wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

There are a lot of people who think along those lines as well. While I truly don't think the Klebold's were bad parents, I do think they were kind of just letting Dylan do his own thing. 

I think it could be argued that both families were like that. God knows Wayne and Kathy gave Eric way too much leeway.

Agreed. I mean Eric was testing out Napalm recipes and building bombs at his house for fucks sake.

Also that brings me to one question that has always bugged me. One that no one has ever been able to answer, which is how in the hell did Eric's mom and dad NOT smell him mixing gas and other shit and heating it at their house?

It's not like you could just spray a little air freshener and cover that kind of smell up. That has just never made any sense to me.  

That is an excellent question. Because don’t tell me they never went down to the basement just because it was Eric’s space Eric was a child and he’s not paying rent... He also was known to have a pipe bomb, he was arrested for stealing and he knew he was vandalizing things.

Here’s a question I’ve never seen asked, but maybe it’s something to ponder? Were Eric’s parents afraid of him? I don’t think Wayne was but maybe Kathy was?

I think that because of the guilt their parents feel, They'll never reveal just how much they knew about Eric and Dylan's moves, activities etc.. We know that Eric's parents had found a pipe bomb made by him before. I wonder if the Harris's knew that Eric had any bombs but thought of them more as just "A Teenage Boy Thing" and never thought he would use them in any way to harm anyone?

Screamingophelia wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

QuestionMark wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

There are a lot of people who think along those lines as well. While I truly don't think the Klebold's were bad parents, I do think they were kind of just letting Dylan do his own thing. 

I think it could be argued that both families were like that. God knows Wayne and Kathy gave Eric way too much leeway.

Agreed. I mean Eric was testing out Napalm recipes and building bombs at his house for fucks sake.

Also that brings me to one question that has always bugged me. One that no one has ever been able to answer, which is how in the hell did Eric's mom and dad NOT smell him mixing gas and other shit and heating it at their house?

It's not like you could just spray a little air freshener and cover that kind of smell up. That has just never made any sense to me.  

That is an excellent question. Because don’t tell me they never went down to the basement just because it was Eric’s space  Eric was a child and he’s not paying rent...  He also was known to have a pipe bomb, he was arrested for stealing and he knew he was vandalizing things.

Here’s a question I’ve never seen asked, but maybe it’s something to ponder? Were Eric’s parents afraid of him? I don’t  think Wayne was but maybe Kathy was?

That is something to think about.

rayybayy444 wrote:

I think that because of the guilt their parents feel, They'll never reveal just how much they knew about Eric and Dylan's moves, activities etc.. We know that Eric's parents had found a pipe bomb made by him before. I wonder if the Harris's knew that Eric had any bombs but thought of them more as just "A Teenage Boy Thing" and never thought he would use them in any way to harm anyone?

I just highly doubt Wayne Harris would have tolerated Eric making and keeping pipe bombs in his house.

That is true, I'm sure he was very strict. LOL my dad is a Marine and he STAYED on my ass

I was also wondering If anyone knows more on Patrick Ireland particularly statements he made. I found this..

On 8601-8700 PG 44

A detective was interviewing Patrick Ireland's father and he stated this:

According to Mr Ireland, Patrick has made sporadic statements that include "Face the angered, trying to kill you", "poor family", "killed us dead", "TNT-I'm dynamite", "31 flavors" and "I hate Dillon and Eric."


I wonder if more was said by him or anyone while being in/out of consciousness??

rayybayy444 wrote:

That is true, I'm sure he was very strict. LOL my dad is a Marine and he STAYED on my ass

I was also wondering If anyone knows more on Patrick Ireland particularly statements he made. I found this..

On 8601-8700 PG 44

A detective was interviewing Patrick Ireland's father and he stated this:

According to Mr Ireland, Patrick has made sporadic statements that include "Face the angered, trying to kill you", "poor family", "killed us dead", "TNT-I'm dynamite", "31 flavors" and "I hate Dillon and Eric."


I wonder if more was said by him or anyone while being in/out of consciousness??

I guarantee there were similar statements from the other victims as well.

Sadly how would anyone even know if anything they said were things that truly happened or just something their minds invented while under stress combined with tons of pain medication. Especially if they couldn't recall anything of the sort after they were fully awake and clear headed.

This is why the witness reports were so unreliable.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

I just highly doubt Wayne Harris would have tolerated Eric making and keeping pipe bombs in his house.

Well evidently Wayne either was accepting of it or was willfully ignorant of what his son was doing. I personally would say it's the latter, but I really have to wonder what he was thinking considering how much he let Eric get away with.

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That's a verrry valid point. I hadn't even thought of those aspects. I want to read through the 11K report to try an see how many victims made statements of that sort. It for some reason really hit me with a sense of what was going through their minds and what they were thinking about in those moments. Sad but so intriguing to discover!!

QuestionMark wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

I just highly doubt Wayne Harris would have tolerated Eric making and keeping pipe bombs in his house.

Well evidently Wayne either was accepting of it or was willfully ignorant of what his son was doing. I personally would say it's the latter, but I really have to wonder what he was thinking considering how much he let Eric get away with.

Agreed. I do think they were were just blissfully unaware of what Eric was doing. Same as Dylan's family. The Klebolds were clueless as well.

Although it still boggles my mind thinking of all the things Eric was capable of doing in his own home, right under the noses of his parents. He did say that he was a good at lying. Then again both E&D proved many times they were good at lies, and manipulation.

If you go the other way of Wayne possibly knowing of Eric's continued activities, then you start stepping into the conspiracy theories of Wayne Harris letting Eric be brain washed and turned into a Government experiment, false red flag bullshit, etc.

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That's a verrry valid point. I hadn't even thought of those aspects. I want to read through the 11K report to try an see how many victims made statements of that sort. It for some reason really hit me with a sense of what was going through their minds and what they were thinking about in those moments. Sad but so intriguing to discover!!

There were things that Richard Castaldo had said while he was in the hospital about Rachel Scott being shot, her being asked about her beliefs in God, etc. that later on he couldn't remember saying as well. He went back and forth on some details of his recollection.

I know factually that Val was the one asked but I always found it a bit odd that two people associated with Rachel said Eric/Dylan asked two different people if they believed in God.

Did Richard get shot first and then Rachel?

There is so much we don't know about the families of Eric and Dylan... we can just speculate but I think very little was left in Dylans room, probably because his mom searched a lot more but I am wondering if Wayne thought he could handle everything on his own? You know, it is HIS family and I don't know if they also felt a bit unwelcomed in Littleton? Wasn't Wayne or Kathy from the area?

Also how long after Columbine did Dr. Albert lose his license?

Screamingophelia wrote:

Also how long after Columbine did Dr. Albert lose his license?

I don't think that he ever lost his license. If you Google his name, it appears that he operates a website for his private practice.

sscc wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

Also how long after Columbine did Dr. Albert lose his license?

I don't think that he ever lost his license. If you Google his name, it appears that he operates a website for his private practice.

Than you SSCC, I wonder where I heard that from? I may have misread something.

sscc wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

Also how long after Columbine did Dr. Albert lose his license?

I don't think that he ever lost his license. If you Google his name, it appears that he operates a website for his private practice.

I have came across a few reviews of his practice somewhere online before. People were less then kind in describing his abilities.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

QuestionMark wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

I just highly doubt Wayne Harris would have tolerated Eric making and keeping pipe bombs in his house.

Well evidently Wayne either was accepting of it or was willfully ignorant of what his son was doing. I personally would say it's the latter, but I really have to wonder what he was thinking considering how much he let Eric get away with.

Agreed. I do think they were were just blissfully unaware of what Eric was doing. Same as Dylan's family. The Klebolds were clueless as well.

Although it still boggles my mind thinking of all the things Eric was capable of doing in his own home, right under the noses of his parents. He did say that he was a good at lying. Then again both E&D proved many times they were good at lies, and manipulation. 

I think it's because it never occurred to Wayne that Eric was going to become a murderer. I think Wayne saw Eric as a simple delinquent who needed to get his act together, and that's why so many things slid past him.

QuestionMark wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

QuestionMark wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

I just highly doubt Wayne Harris would have tolerated Eric making and keeping pipe bombs in his house.

Well evidently Wayne either was accepting of it or was willfully ignorant of what his son was doing. I personally would say it's the latter, but I really have to wonder what he was thinking considering how much he let Eric get away with.

Agreed. I do think they were were just blissfully unaware of what Eric was doing. Same as Dylan's family. The Klebolds were clueless as well.

Although it still boggles my mind thinking of all the things Eric was capable of doing in his own home, right under the noses of his parents. He did say that he was a good at lying. Then again both E&D proved many times they were good at lies, and manipulation. 

I think it's because it never occurred to Wayne that Eric was going to become a murderer. I think Wayne saw Eric as a simple delinquent who needed to get his act together, and that's why so many things slid past him.

Good point. It seemed to be a big leap from "oh we broke into a van!" to "we just committed a massive school shooting and tried to blow up the school"

QuestionMark wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

QuestionMark wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

I just highly doubt Wayne Harris would have tolerated Eric making and keeping pipe bombs in his house.

Well evidently Wayne either was accepting of it or was willfully ignorant of what his son was doing. I personally would say it's the latter, but I really have to wonder what he was thinking considering how much he let Eric get away with.

Agreed. I do think they were were just blissfully unaware of what Eric was doing. Same as Dylan's family. The Klebolds were clueless as well.

Although it still boggles my mind thinking of all the things Eric was capable of doing in his own home, right under the noses of his parents. He did say that he was a good at lying. Then again both E&D proved many times they were good at lies, and manipulation. 

I think it's because it never occurred to Wayne that Eric was going to become a murderer. I think Wayne saw Eric as a simple delinquent who needed to get his act together, and that's why so many things slid past him.

True. I mean who goes around thinking their kid is going to murder people? Wayne probably thought "Well we hit a few snags, but now everything is back on track".

I'm finally reading through the 11k report, just started and not that far into it. Currently I'm on Mark Kintgen's account of events that day on page.49 of the report. The following states...

["When asked if he recalled anything specific about the announcements that day, Mark Kintgen responded in the negative but stated he did remember a scrolling message which is shown throughout the school at various locations. Mark Kintgen identified that message as "Today is not a good day to be here." Mark Kintgen stated he had no explanation as to the specific meaning of the message, nor did he know who authored the message."] --------------------------------

Does Anyone know if any OTHER students, recalled this message being seen throughout the school that day? If so can you tell me of which part of the 11K report I could possibly jump to; to read those specific statements. I wonder if that message was actually being displayed across the school screens that day (like the one we see in the commons footage) If so I wonder who did author that message to be displayed? Or could that part have been imagined or fabricated by Mark Kintgen.

rayybayy444 wrote:

I'm finally reading through the 11k report, just started and not that far into it. Currently I'm on Mark Kintgen's account of events that day on page.49 of the report. The following states...

["When asked if he recalled anything specific about the announcements that day, Mark Kintgen responded in the negative but stated he did remember a scrolling message which is shown throughout the school at various locations. Mark Kintgen identified that message as "Today is not a good day to be here." Mark Kintgen stated he had no explanation as to the specific meaning of the message, nor did he know who authored the message."] --------------------------------

Does Anyone know if any OTHER students, recalled this message being seen throughout the school that day? If so can you tell me of which part of the 11K report I could possibly jump to; to read those specific statements. I wonder if that message was actually being displayed across the school screens that day (like the one we see in the commons footage) If so I wonder who did author that message to be displayed?  Or could that part have been imagined or fabricated by Mark Kintgen.

I don’t have specific pages off the top of my head but it was RNNs quote or thought of the day.. I believe it started as “quit yer bitchin” then since it was such a beautiful spring day it changed to “why would you want to be here on a day like today?” It was written by Eric Veik

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Does Anyone know if any OTHER students, recalled this message being seen throughout the school that day? If so can you tell me of which part of the 11K report I could possibly jump to; to read those specific statements. I wonder if that message was actually being displayed across the school screens that day (like the one we see in the commons footage) If so I wonder who did author that message to be displayed?  Or could that part have been imagined or fabricated by Mark Kintgen.

A lot of students remembered a similar message and you can find them scattered throughout the witness statements. I still wonder if it's a coincidence that Eric Veik changed the quote.
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Thank you!! That is sooo strange how people saw that message!! I haven't yet read anything on who Eric Veik is. Was he in charge of student announcements? And what quote had he changed? I'm currently on Lisa Kreutz on page.60!

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WHAT?!! I did not know that!! That is soo weird to me!! So I wonder did Eric ever tell police or investigators anything about switching notice board or is reason on why he switched it to say what it did?

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WHAT?!! I did not know that!! That is soo weird to me!! So I wonder did Eric ever tell police or investigators anything about switching notice board or is reason on why he switched it to say what it did?

Yes someone who worked with him on RNM asked him to change it because of the swearing

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I finally read it! from the link provided above. And that is crazy, I guess that's one more thing we'll never really understand It's almost as if in an eerie sense devastation was slowly descending upon the school leading up until 11:20a.m in subtle hints slowly but surely..

rayybayy444 wrote:

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I finally read it! from the link provided above. And that is crazy, I guess that's one more thing we'll never really understand  It's almost as if in an eerie sense devastation was slowly descending upon the school leading up until 11:20a.m in subtle hints slowly but surely..

It really is, looking back the whole morning was eerie and I'm sure people have stories about maybe feeling off. I sometimes wonder if there were kids who decided to skip that morning or maybe someone who wanted to go to the library during lunch then decided not to, maybe they saw a friend, a teacher called them in for a meeting or maybe they just got a feeling.

I remember one day I had this strange feeling all day. I couldn't put my finger on it, but I was on edge all day, but nothing was going on in my life to worry me. That night someone tried breaking into my home!!!

I think John Savage stated he was going to go to the choir room but decided to go to the library instead... I could be wrong.

I remember in the 11k Jessica Holliday saying she left the library briefly to walk a friend to her next class, and then returned. This was very shortly before E&D's rampage began. Also although she was originally sat at table 2, she had gone over to talk to another girl she knew and hid under a different table. Her table was one of the few left untouched, which is quite a contrast to the events that occurred at table 2.

Szabo wrote:

I remember in the 11k Jessica Holliday saying she left the library briefly to walk a friend to her next class, and then returned. This was very shortly before E&D's rampage began. Also although she was originally sat at table 2, she had gone over to talk to another girl she knew and hid under a different table. Her table was one of the few left untouched, which is quite a contrast to the events that occurred at table 2.

That would horrify me

Did anyone at table 2 survive uninjured?

Only Diwata Perez I think.