Oklahoma city and Tim McVeigh

So I am dipping my little toes back into the Oklahoma city bombing and Tim McVeigh. It has been a few years since I last dabbled in it.

I am looking for the full 60 Minutes interview with Ed Bradley from March 12th 2000. But I am only finding little snippets, a few minutes here, a few minutes there, etc. Does a full run, uncut, version still exist? Also does anyone have a link to the full run interview? 

I will help you look. :-) But I don’t know where it is. He is actually from my hometown he went to school with my God cousin.

Screamingophelia wrote:

I will help you look. :-) But I don’t know where it is. He is actually from my hometown he went to school with my God cousin.

Also thanks!

I will also go on record stating that Ben Johnson made a much better Eric then he did a Tim. He was AWFUL in the ZERO HOUR-Oklahoma City Bombing documentary.  

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

I will also go on record stating that Ben Johnson made a much better Eric then he did a Tim. His was AWFUL in the ZERO HOUR-Oklahoma City Bombing documentary.  

Is the Zero Hour video on the OKC Bombing up on YouTube at all?

QuestionMark wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

I will also go on record stating that Ben Johnson made a much better Eric then he did a Tim. His was AWFUL in the ZERO HOUR-Oklahoma City Bombing documentary.  

Is the Zero Hour video on the OKC Bombing up on YouTube at all?

Yes.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

QuestionMark wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

I will also go on record stating that Ben Johnson made a much better Eric then he did a Tim. His was AWFUL in the ZERO HOUR-Oklahoma City Bombing documentary.  

Is the Zero Hour video on the OKC Bombing up on YouTube at all?

Yes.

Thank you kindly for sharing. 

McVeigh's motive for his murder of 168 people was retaliation to what he saw for government tyranny in Waco and Ruby Ridge even that the government was justified in their investigation of Koresh stockpiling illegal weapons.

Tommy QTR wrote:

McVeigh's motive for his murder of 168 people was retaliation to what he saw for government tyranny in Waco and Ruby Ridge even that the government was justified in their investigation of Koresh stockpiling illegal weapons.

I'm well schooled in Tim McVeigh, and the case. I am just revisiting and going back over my research on everything.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Tommy QTR wrote:

McVeigh's motive for his murder of 168 people was retaliation to what he saw for government tyranny in Waco and Ruby Ridge even that the government was justified in their investigation of Koresh stockpiling illegal weapons.

I'm well schooled in Tim McVeigh, and the case. I am just revisiting and going back over my research on everything.

I've been interested in McVeigh as well, pretty fascinating guy.

I came across something that had me fucking dying. I vaguely remembered it from my previous interest in the case. But Timothy McVeigh had supposedly been to a strip club a few days before the bombing where he told the girl giving him a lap dance that she would remember him for the rest of her life. There is a video of her recounting this somewhere on youtube. Possibly in one of the many Documentaries.

But I just got this image in my head-

"Gather around children. This story has been handed down from generation to generation. Listen closely as I tell you of the time your Great, great, great, great Grandmother gave Timothy McVeigh a lap dance"  

Obviously Tim had a very high opinion of himself.

Actually come to think about it, she likely blocked it from her memory. On the other hand little Timmy probably thought about her for the rest of his life, considering she was likely the last female he was in direct, semi sexual contact with.  

Also Timothy had a short lived affair with his co conspirator Terry Nickols's wife while they were in the middle of planning the attack. That info didn't really come out until this woman had to testify at the trial. Seriously that is ballsy AF, having this man helping you build a bomb while screwing his wife on the side. Just more proof that Tim was indeed a very bad boy.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

I came across something that had me fucking dying. I vaguely remembered it from my previous interest in the case. But Timothy McVeigh had supposedly been to a strip club a few days before the bombing where he told the girl giving him a lap dance that she would remember him for the rest of her life. There is a video of her recounting this somewhere on youtube. Possibly in one of the many Documentaries.

But I just got this image in my head-

"Gather around children. This story has been handed down from generation to generation. Listen closely as I tell you of the time your Great, great, great, great Grandmother gave Timothy McVeigh a lap dance"  

Obviously Tim had a very high opinion of himself.

Actually come to think about it, she likely blocked it from her memory. On the other hand little Timmy probably thought about her for the rest of his life, considering she was likely the last female he was in direct, semi sexual contact with.  

Also Timothy had a short lived affair with his co conspirator Terry Nickols's wife while they were in the middle of the planning the attack. That info didn't come out until this woman had to testify at the trail. Seriously that is ballsy AF, having this man helping you build a bomb while screwing his wife on the side. Just more proof that Tim was indeed a very bad boy.

I didn't know that, interesting!

Neah wrote:

I didn't know that, interesting!

I think Tim mentions the affair briefly in the book American Terrorist. But don't hold me to that, I'll have to dig my copy out and check.

Neah wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

I came across something that had me fucking dying. I vaguely remembered it from my previous interest in the case. But Timothy McVeigh had supposedly been to a strip club a few days before the bombing where he told the girl giving him a lap dance that she would remember him for the rest of her life. There is a video of her recounting this somewhere on youtube. Possibly in one of the many Documentaries.

But I just got this image in my head-

"Gather around children. This story has been handed down from generation to generation. Listen closely as I tell you of the time your Great, great, great, great Grandmother gave Timothy McVeigh a lap dance"  

Obviously Tim had a very high opinion of himself.

Actually come to think about it, she likely blocked it from her memory. On the other hand little Timmy probably thought about her for the rest of his life, considering she was likely the last female he was in direct, semi sexual contact with.  

Also Timothy had a short lived affair with his co conspirator Terry Nickols's wife while they were in the middle of the planning the attack. That info didn't really come out until this woman had to testify at the trail. Seriously that is ballsy AF, having this man helping you build a bomb while screwing his wife on the side. Just more proof that Tim was indeed a very bad boy.

I didn't know that, interesting!

Agreed. The whole case was and still is very interesting to me, which is why I decided to get back into it.

It seems to be true. I cannot post links yet but I found that article from The New York Time untitled: National Briefing | Plains: Oklahoma: Nichols's Ex-Wife Tells Of Affair

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Neah wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

I came across something that had me fucking dying. I vaguely remembered it from my previous interest in the case. But Timothy McVeigh had supposedly been to a strip club a few days before the bombing where he told the girl giving him a lap dance that she would remember him for the rest of her life. There is a video of her recounting this somewhere on youtube. Possibly in one of the many Documentaries.

But I just got this image in my head-

"Gather around children. This story has been handed down from generation to generation. Listen closely as I tell you of the time your Great, great, great, great Grandmother gave Timothy McVeigh a lap dance"  

Obviously Tim had a very high opinion of himself.

Actually come to think about it, she likely blocked it from her memory. On the other hand little Timmy probably thought about her for the rest of his life, considering she was likely the last female he was in direct, semi sexual contact with.  

Also Timothy had a short lived affair with his co conspirator Terry Nickols's wife while they were in the middle of the planning the attack. That info didn't really come out until this woman had to testify at the trail. Seriously that is ballsy AF, having this man helping you build a bomb while screwing his wife on the side. Just more proof that Tim was indeed a very bad boy.

I didn't know that, interesting!

Agreed. The whole case was and still is very interesting to me, which is why I decided to get back into it.

I don't remember a ton about the case, I was pretty young but all this info is really interesting to me, I want to look into it again too.

See I wish some people would understand that THIS is a terrorist... the angry kids with the guns and pipe bombs are NOT terrorists... they don't want words to have ANY meaning anymore. It can mean whatever you want. I'm going to start calling my phone a grape, because reasons.

Did Tim McVeigh have gals sending him letters too?

Neah wrote:

It seems to be true. I cannot post links yet but I found that article from The New York Time untitled: National Briefing | Plains: Oklahoma: Nichols's Ex-Wife Tells Of Affair

Yes. It was indeed true. There were several articles about it when the trial was going on.

I also found that:

"Press reports have alleged (see February 28 - March 4, 1997) that McVeigh and Marife Nichols had an affair during the summer of 1994; lawyers do not broach the subject during the trial. [CNN, 5/9/1997; NEW YORK TIMES, 5/10/1997; NEW YORK TIMES, 5/16/1997] Marife Nichols will confirm the affair in 2004. [NEW YORK TIMES, 4/9/2004]"

Screamingophelia wrote:

Did Tim McVeigh have gals sending him letters too?

Yes. Silly little fangirls.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Neah wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

I came across something that had me fucking dying. I vaguely remembered it from my previous interest in the case. But Timothy McVeigh had supposedly been to a strip club a few days before the bombing where he told the girl giving him a lap dance that she would remember him for the rest of her life. There is a video of her recounting this somewhere on youtube. Possibly in one of the many Documentaries.

But I just got this image in my head-

"Gather around children. This story has been handed down from generation to generation. Listen closely as I tell you of the time your Great, great, great, great Grandmother gave Timothy McVeigh a lap dance"  

Obviously Tim had a very high opinion of himself.

Actually come to think about it, she likely blocked it from her memory. On the other hand little Timmy probably thought about her for the rest of his life, considering she was likely the last female he was in direct, semi sexual contact with.  

Also Timothy had a short lived affair with his co conspirator Terry Nickols's wife while they were in the middle of the planning the attack. That info didn't really come out until this woman had to testify at the trail. Seriously that is ballsy AF, having this man helping you build a bomb while screwing his wife on the side. Just more proof that Tim was indeed a very bad boy.

I didn't know that, interesting!

Did Tim McVeigh have gals sending him letters too?

Yes. Silly little fangirls.

Why am I not surprised?

The most disturbing to me are the Richard Rameriez and Ted Bundy fans... these guys brutalized and raped women... I think we have all had that discussion already.. but it's still not something I understand.

Are there any infamous criminals with no fans? I don't think a ton of gals lust over Lanza.. sorry, OT. I always do that

Anyhoo.

Screamingophelia wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Neah wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

I came across something that had me fucking dying. I vaguely remembered it from my previous interest in the case. But Timothy McVeigh had supposedly been to a strip club a few days before the bombing where he told the girl giving him a lap dance that she would remember him for the rest of her life. There is a video of her recounting this somewhere on youtube. Possibly in one of the many Documentaries.

But I just got this image in my head-

"Gather around children. This story has been handed down from generation to generation. Listen closely as I tell you of the time your Great, great, great, great Grandmother gave Timothy McVeigh a lap dance"  

Obviously Tim had a very high opinion of himself.

Actually come to think about it, she likely blocked it from her memory. On the other hand little Timmy probably thought about her for the rest of his life, considering she was likely the last female he was in direct, semi sexual contact with.  

Also Timothy had a short lived affair with his co conspirator Terry Nickols's wife while they were in the middle of the planning the attack. That info didn't really come out until this woman had to testify at the trail. Seriously that is ballsy AF, having this man helping you build a bomb while screwing his wife on the side. Just more proof that Tim was indeed a very bad boy.

I didn't know that, interesting!

Did Tim McVeigh have gals sending him letters too?

Yes. Silly little fangirls.

Why am I not surprised?

The most disturbing to me are the Richard Rameriez and Ted Bundy fans... these guys brutalized and raped women... I think we have all had that discussion already.. but it's still not something I understand.

Are there any infamous criminals with no fans? I don't think a ton of gals lust over Lanza.. sorry, OT. I always do that

Anyhoo.

Unfortunatley I think Lanza has fangirls too... I don't think Stephen Paddock has fangirls, too old for that I guess. Devin Patrick has none too, this guy is so repulsive, especially when you know how he was with his wife.

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Dear Sir,

I’m writing to you because i’ve been writing to Timothy McVeigh, ever since his sentencing in 1997, and have never gotten any reply from him. I realize that Timothy may not wish to write to me, but since I don’t know that for certain, I have no peace of mind. I called your prison recently and asked if I could speak with him, but was told, nicely, that that wouldn’t be possible. The woman I spoke with (I can’t remember her name unfortunately) told me that Timothy was alright, and I was very grateful to her for that, but I’ve had a feeling of great unrest nevertheless, especially recently. I’m afraid that Timothy isn’t alive anymore. I called the American consulate here in Hamburg, and the man I spoke with suggested that I write to you.

I hope I haven’t done anything to upset Timothy. I’m sending him a copy of this letter. I would like to say that I can’t imagine that Timothy is responsible for what happened in Oklahoma City, and it’s impossible for me to connect him with it. At the same time though, I don’t mean to slight anyone or say that they’re lieing.

I would be exceedingly grateful to you if I heard from you.

Yours sincerely,
Redacted



This was a letter written to Timothy McVeigh from a woman living in Germany. He had never responded to any of her letters, but she still wrote him for years. She thought he was dead and even called the Prison to confirm he was still alive. The last page is the letter the Prison sent back to her.

Just thought that was interesting.

Wow, some people are really motivated! And she's not even American.

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Also found this. I don't know why but this is just funny to me.

I wonder if when they saw him laughing, they still found him scaring or impressive, especially if they often saw him.

Neah wrote:

I wonder if when they saw him laughing, they still found him scaring or impressive, especially if they often saw him.

From everything I have read on Tim McVeigh he was just a funny type guy in general, and liked playing around. It is well documented that he was always cracking jokes with his lawyers, etc. I doubt they were afraid of him.

I've heard stuff about McVeigh and strippers, anyone know about that?

InsaneIntruder wrote:

I've heard stuff about McVeigh and strippers, anyone know about that?

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Read my posts above. I actually mentioned it.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

InsaneIntruder wrote:

I've heard stuff about McVeigh and strippers, anyone know about that?

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]  Read my posts above. I actually mentioned it.

Oh, I've heard about that. I saw on of those "tag yourself" memes on tumblr for murderers where it said McVeigh told secrets to strippers and another where it was a drawing of him talking to one of the Boston bombers saying that he told jokes to strippers and I was wondering what was up with those.

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Also found this. I don't know why but this is just funny to me.

Makes me wonder if Eric would've acted the same way in court.

Tommy QTR wrote:

McVeigh's motive for his murder of 168 people was retaliation to what he saw for government tyranny in Waco and Ruby Ridge even that the government was justified in their investigation of Koresh stockpiling illegal weapons.

How they handled it was not justified. Militarized law enforcement is still a problem we have today.

QuestionMark wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Also found this. I don't know why but this is just funny to me.

Makes me wonder if Eric would've acted the same way in court.

I really don't know. It is the worst situation that could happen for Eric (for McVeigh too maybe, but at least he had a political view to defend): being controlled and punished by the society he hated so much, the government, the humans who had gotten rid of their natural instincts, the laws that are only based on "words" such as good and evil... So I don't know if he would have been really depressed to lose control of the situation that much, or if he would have still been able to be a smart-ass. I think maybe at first he would be too depressed, and then he would try to take the control back.

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Also found this. I don't know why but this is just funny to me.

Makes me wonder if Eric would've acted the same way in court.

To my understanding this happened in the Prison. It was a Prisoner type sound off, roll call etc. As I said before McVeigh was well known to be just a very laid back, easy going guy. But he seemed to show a little sass sometimes.

Also I think it is possible that Eric could have been somewhat like McVeigh if given time to mature. BUT with that being said , I also highly doubt Eric would have had the drive and dedication that McVeigh had to his cause. Not the Eric at 18 anyhow.

W.A.R. wrote:

Tommy QTR wrote:

McVeigh's motive for his murder of 168 people was retaliation to what he saw for government tyranny in Waco and Ruby Ridge even that the government was justified in their investigation of Koresh stockpiling illegal weapons.

How they handled it was not justified. Militarized law enforcement is still a problem we have today.

Honestly McVeigh wasn't exactly totally wrong in his thinking. As much as it kills me, I will say that a lot of the things he said made sense. After all this was a man, a perfect solider who was trained to block out his emotions and distance himself from his feelings in order to do his job. He was awarded medals for this very behavior in combat, then was killed for doing the exact same thing ONLY on American soil.

He basically launched a "For the greater good" type attack against a Government he no longer trusted. Very little fault can be found in his thinking. Let's face it, our Military kills innocent people all the time, including children.  Yes we will all look at the news reports and say "What a shame" while still be happy for the most part that we are winning, or taking out whatever perceived threat was there.

It's a very slippery slope when you start digging deeply into the case. There is right and wrong on both sides.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Honestly McVeigh wasn't exactly totally wrong in his thinking. As much as it kills me, I will say that a lot of the things he said made sense. After all this was a man, a perfect solider who was trained to block out his emotions and distance himself from his feelings in order to do his job. He was awarded medals for this very behavior in combat, then was killed for doing the exact same thing ONLY on American soil.

He basically launched a "For the greater good" type attack against a Government he no longer trusted. Very little fault can be found in his thinking. Let's face it, our Military kills innocent people all the time, including children.  Yes we will all look at the news reports and say "What a shame" while still be happy for the most part that we are winning, or taking out whatever perceived threat was there.

It's a very slippery slope when you start digging deeply into the case. There is right and wrong on both sides.

US' foreign policy is still a fuckin' disaster sadly.

I feel they are setting the stage for a war with Iran.

W.A.R. wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Honestly McVeigh wasn't exactly totally wrong in his thinking. As much as it kills me, I will say that a lot of the things he said made sense. After all this was a man, a perfect solider who was trained to block out his emotions and distance himself from his feelings in order to do his job. He was awarded medals for this very behavior in combat, then was killed for doing the exact same thing ONLY on American soil.

He basically launched a "For the greater good" type attack against a Government he no longer trusted. Very little fault can be found in his thinking. Let's face it, our Military kills innocent people all the time, including children.  Yes we will all look at the news reports and say "What a shame" while still be happy for the most part that we are winning, or taking out whatever perceived threat was there.

It's a very slippery slope when you start digging deeply into the case. There is right and wrong on both sides.

US' foreign policy is still a fuckin' disaster sadly.

I feel they are setting the stage for a war with Iran.

Steven Sotloff's beheading apparently happened due to America's foreign policy.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

W.A.R. wrote:

Tommy QTR wrote:

McVeigh's motive for his murder of 168 people was retaliation to what he saw for government tyranny in Waco and Ruby Ridge even that the government was justified in their investigation of Koresh stockpiling illegal weapons.

How they handled it was not justified. Militarized law enforcement is still a problem we have today.

Honestly McVeigh wasn't exactly totally wrong in his thinking. As much as it kills me, I will say that a lot of the things he said made sense. After all this was a man, a perfect solider who was trained to block out his emotions and distance himself from his feelings in order to do his job. He was awarded medals for this very behavior in combat, then was killed for doing the exact same thing ONLY on American soil.

He basically launched a "For the greater good" type attack against a Government he no longer trusted. Very little fault can be found in his thinking. Let's face it, our Military kills innocent people all the time, including children.  Yes we will all look at the news reports and say "What a shame" while still be happy for the most part that we are winning, or taking out whatever perceived threat was there.

It's a very slippery slope when you start digging deeply into the case. There is right and wrong on both sides.

I remember our health teacher was teaching us about different mental disorders, and she used - of all people - McVeigh as someone who was a psychopath. This was back when I hardly knew anything about him* and I still thought my teacher was retarded for saying that. IMO McVeigh was a relatively normal person who became a political extremist. 

*At the time I thought he was a Neo-Nazi terrorist.

QuestionMark wrote:

[I remember our health teacher was teaching us about different mental disorders, and she used - of all people - McVeigh as someone who was a psychopath. This was back when I hardly knew anything about him* and I still thought my teacher was retarded for saying that. IMO McVeigh was a relatively normal person who became a political extremist. 

*At the time I thought he was a Neo-Nazi terrorist.

                         This is just a small part from the interview McVeigh did with Patrick Cole from TIME on March 30, 1996-

TIME: Who is Timothy McVeigh? Who are you? What is your philosophy about life? What moves you? What bores you?

MCVEIGH: I don't think there is any way to narrow my personality down and label me as one thing or another as many people have being trying to do. That's what they try to do with the psychological profiling, with the handwriting, etcetera, etcetera, and it's all pretty much a pseudo-science that I really laugh at when I read. I'm just like anyone else. Movies I enjoy would be action-adventure movies, comedies, sci-fi movies and shows. I can talk to almost anybody. The big misconception is that I'm a loner. Well, I believe in having my own space and being on my own sometimes. But, that in no way means that I'm a loner, which the press likes to equate with an introvert. That's a complete misconception. Women, social life. I like women (chuckle). I don't think there is anything wrong with that.

TIME: What has been misunderstood about Timothy McVeigh?

MCVEIGH: The way I'm misunderstood, the method is through labeling. Speed freak. Gun freak. Loner. All those misconceptions and I think that plays out and my defense attorneys have said that the people they have interviewed, they get a completely different picture of me. The real me has not been reported to the press. If there are 40 people who have good things to say about me, and two have something bad, they print the bad because it's sensational.

TIME: If you could spend 60 seconds talking to the world audience, what would you say about Timothy McVeigh? What would you tell them about what they have been reading about you?

MCVEIGH: I would say don't believe everything you see, or hear or read. Don't judge until you know a person. That is short of 60 seconds, but that would sum it up pretty well.





I in no way believe McVeigh was a psychopath.  This is a man who wrote home while being in the war and was telling his neighbor,(who was like a Mother to him) about children coming up and begging them for food and water and being reprimanded for not ignoring them.  

I am going on memory here so this won't be an exact quote. But he had written something along the lines of- "Here I am a person that can't stand to even see a hungry dog, and I'm having to see starving kids"  

No, in my honest opinion Tim was a kid who joined the ARMY, and was for all accounts the perfect solider. OTHER then he was fucking smart enough to realize that he was fighting a bullshit War. He felt he had been lied to, hyped up in a sense. But when he got over there, what he found was nothing like what he had been told.

Everyone says that he was cold or seemingly uncaring when talking about the bombing, the children killed, etc.  He wasn't cold, he had merely detached/distanced himself from the things he had done. Which by the way he learned from being in the Military. This is a safety measure most people who have seen active combat try to do in an effort to stay sane. So to sum it up, they taught him to kill with no sense of remorse, then only cried foul when he became Karma and gave America a tiny dose of its own medicine. The Government was fine with him being able to ruthlessly kill who they thought needed to die.

Sorry. I feel like I am ranting now, so I'll stop! I get heated quickly.

W.A.R. wrote:

US' foreign policy is still a fuckin' disaster sadly.

I couldn't agree more.

The detachment reminds me of Eric, and we know in his mind he wanted it to be even bigger than Oklahoma City.


I’m learning a lot of new things with these interviews, thank you for posting!!

Screamingophelia wrote:

The detachment reminds me of Eric, and we know in his mind he wanted it to be even bigger than Oklahoma City.


I’m learning a lot of new things with these interviews, thank you for posting!!

No problem! Although I seem to have fallen head first down the rabbit hole on this case again. OPPS!

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

The detachment reminds me of Eric, and we know in his mind he wanted it to be even bigger than Oklahoma City.


I’m learning a lot of new things with these interviews, thank you for posting!!

No problem!  Although I seem to have fallen head first down the rabbit hole on this case again. OPPS!

I found that YouTube has the whole entire James Holmes trial. So I’ve been watching clips over the weekend and going down that rabbit hole too.

Screamingophelia wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

The detachment reminds me of Eric, and we know in his mind he wanted it to be even bigger than Oklahoma City.


I’m learning a lot of new things with these interviews, thank you for posting!!

No problem!  Although I seem to have fallen head first down the rabbit hole on this case again. OPPS!

I found that YouTube has the whole entire James Holmes trial. So I’ve been watching clips over the weekend and going down that rabbit hole too.

I have no interest in Holmes. BUT I do wish I could find Timothy McVeigh related things that easily.

Finding anything of merit on Tim is hard. Damn impossible to find his full interviews. Most have had the audio removed or have been so chopped up that you never get to hear what he was actually talking about.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

The detachment reminds me of Eric, and we know in his mind he wanted it to be even bigger than Oklahoma City.


I’m learning a lot of new things with these interviews, thank you for posting!!

No problem!  Although I seem to have fallen head first down the rabbit hole on this case again. OPPS!

I found that YouTube has the whole entire James Holmes trial. So I’ve been watching clips over the weekend and going down that rabbit hole too.

I have no interest in Holmes. BUT I do wish I could find Timothy McVeigh related things that easily.

Finding anything of merit on Tim is hard. Damn impossible to find his full interviews. Most have had the audio removed or have been so chopped up that you never get to hear what he was actually talking about.

I feel like there should be a lot more information readily available because Oklahoma City is something everybody’s familiar with

I wonder If you can email any of the new stations for Archive footage or something like that? I have been wondering if that’s how we can get the Eric soccer video? I doubt I still have it but I might have that VHS at my moms house. However I won’t be back until the winter. I had a lot of stuff on VHS for research purposes of course.

There’s still things from Columbine that I can’t find I can’t find the news clip where they announce Eric and Dylan’s names . I can’t remember but I know it was from that day it was around the time I get home from school. So it was about 3 PM or so mountain time

I think it was just the time and how long ago everything was. Which sucks cause it’s a part of history.

Screamingophelia wrote:

The detachment reminds me of Eric, and we know in his mind he wanted it to be even bigger than Oklahoma City.

I agree, but McVeigh did it for political reasons. Even if Eric had political and ideological opinions that made him see the world a certain way, and made the shooting possible, I think he went NBK only because he wanted to kill. I don't think McVeigh enjoyed killing.

Neah wrote:

I don't think McVeigh enjoyed killing.

100% agreed! I believed he saw it as a necessary evil.

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This is a link to the fullest video I have been able to find of Tim's 60 Minutes interview, but even it isn't complete.  I found it on youtube months ago, then the account was terminated for unknown reasons.

This woman evaluates body language. SO why her account was removed is crazy AF, and really makes no sense at all. BUT she made some very good points. Anything related to the bombing is always very one sided. With the only goal being to make you hate McVeigh and see him as some evil, heartless radical.  As always there are two sides to every story. Yet Tim's will likely never be fully heard.  I honestly feel the true story will never come out.  We are getting told ONLY what the government wants us to hear.

Even McVeigh's lawyer Stephen Jones was convinced that Tim was involved in some sort of a government run operation. Then after he was caught, he just protected the others involved, again like a good solider.  Sometimes when the Military send in Special forces they know going into it if they get caught no help is coming and they are on their own. I'm not sure if this is what happened, but it probably isn't to far off from the truth either.

Either way, McVeigh was made into a cruel monster by the media. Sorry I just don't buy that. No way can you watch his interview clips and NOT see clear emotion in his eyes when he is asked certain questions.  

But once again I feel I am hitting my rant mode. So I'll stop right here.

Here is just another example of how his words were cut. In most of the other clips you never get to hear his full answer to this question. Not a stretch to say they cut out many, many things that he said or talked about.

I would pay good money to hear the full unedited interview.

Screamingophelia wrote:

The detachment reminds me of Eric, and we know in his mind he wanted it to be even bigger than Oklahoma City. 

The difference is that Eric enjoyed killing while Tim viewed it as just a mission to be carried out.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

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Here is just another example of how his words were cut. In most of the other clips you never get to hear his full answer to this question. Not a stretch to say they cut out many, many things that he said or talked about.

I would pay good money to hear the full unedited interview.

This video makes me feel sad for him. I obviously think what he did was horrible and unforgivable, but in the same time I think it must be so hard to be left alone in prison with that guilt and not even being able to express yourself and to explain why you did it.

Showing mass murderers as they really are, that is as humans and not mad, savage and cruel people, does not prevent people from having sympathy for the victims. You just better understand why things happen. Medias' description of mass murderers is only based on ten minutes of their life.