Columbine Cover up

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Hi all I'm new to this forum. I was actually shocked to find an active forum in 2018 that was discussing the Columbine massacre. Anyways I've recently gone down the rabbit hole of researching school shootings such Virginia Tech, Elliot Rodger etc. What sets Columbine apart in my opinion is the mystery surrounding the crime scene. I've done extensive research on the topic and have come to the conclusion that there was definitely a cover up. Now before any of you label me a conspiracy kook, I'm not suggesting that there were government agents inside the school carrying out the shooting. I do believe Reb and Vodka were the masterminds and main perpetrators. I don't really think there were multiple shooters, although who knows what's potentially being covered up. I believe the cover up was in relation to how the act was carried out and who may have helped. I believe it's very possible that other friends/trench coat mafia may have assisted in throwing pipe bombs, planting bombs, or setting of diversionary devices outside the campus perimeter.
Now as to why a cover up was done. The police may have decided that they didn't want to get tied up in years of litigation trying to pursue every possible person involved. It's definitely much easier to pin the entire plan on two dead students and call it a day. Let's say no other students were actively involved in the attack, I'm still convinced that other friends/trenchcoat mafia members were well aware of the impending attack. If you look at their senior class photo there are others with them mimicking their gun gestures which leads me to believe that they knew more than they were letting on about. Also the TCM made an effort to disassociate themselves from the Reb and Vodka in media statements. This obviously makes sense as why would they want to bring any suspicion on themselves that potentially could land them in jail. Another suspicious fact is that one of the FBI agents assigned to case had a son who was a TCM associate and friend of Reb and Vodka. This in itself should be a huge red flag as it could easily create a conflict of interest. I believe Chris Morris is a liar and intentionally went to the school to try and "talk" to them because he felt it would make him look like a good guy and keep any potential suspicion away from him. Also many of the TCM members were former students. These students were about 19-20 years old and associated with other much older people who lived in the area. Many of these people could serve as suitable accomplices for either the planning of attack or the actual act of carrying it out. Due to their age they could access things needed for the attack Eric and Dylan would not be able to obtain. This raises the question of how much of a role did the mafia and various associates serve in the planning or execution of the attack. There also seems to be a misconception that the TCM was a just bunch of harmless rebels and misfit weirdos. It actually seems they were quite dark and disturbed. Students reported that they were hostile and confrontational. Some students said they would apparently try to "hex" other students they disliked and they reportedly had a deep interest in dark occultism and Black Magic. The idea of retribution against Columbine and the community was something that seemed to exist in the collective consciousness of the mafia and other "outcast" types who lived in the community. I strongly feel that the idea of an attack on Columbine was a dark secret that these people were well aware of and most of them were hoping that Dylan and Eric would an attack carry out. I believe that the investigators may not have followed up thoroughly on all the leads they were given and the ones they did follow up on such as Chris Morris, Brooks Brown, Nate Dyckman etc would obviously vehemently deny any involvement. This would include even denying that they had even the tiniest inkling that something was going to happen since any knowledge whatsoever could land them in legal trouble.

We already know that Robyn Anderson was an accomplice in obtaining firearms and I don’t believe for a second that she was innocently unaware of what the boys were planning. Another older accomplice helped them purchase additional firearms so we don’t know to what extent older people played in obtaining materials or other roles. I read somewhere, unfortunately I can’t recall where, about a man who lived in the community. He was an unsavory character who had a nickname like Pedophile Bill or Bob, something along those lines. He was a much older individual that lived in the community. He may have been a former Columbine student who never moved out of the community. He apparently was acquainted with mafia members and was known to possess child porn. If this is true then the absolute depravity of morality evident among these individuals is utterly shocking. I’m not implying that members of mafia were all pedophiles however association with these types is definitely a bad reflection of character.


Now just for fun I'm going entertain the idea of possible conspiracy or government involvement. I don't believe in the idea that government agents carried out the attack or any of that nonsense. However Eric Harris and his family raise a lot of suspicion. We all know Eric was was the "new" kid who was a military family transplant from New York. The circle of friends he joined in Littleton had been friends since childhood. This might explain the tension between him and Brooks Brown. Eric was also widely believed to be a sociopath/psychopath by most researchers. This makes it very possible that he didn't consider Dylan a "friend" in the sense that he had an actual emotional connection to him but rather considered him an associate and potential accomplice. Eric was manipulative and some claim that perhaps his father experimented with
brainwashing on him as he apparently had military documents that had information about brainwashing methods. I don't know how much I could buy something that far fetched but I still feel there more to Wayne Harris story then is being let on about.

Eric's father Wayne Harris raises some serious suspicion. He was apparently involved in some sketchy and ethically questionable research involving brainwashing. This research had roots in the infamous MK ULTRA program which was a proven to have been real. Perhaps this is why the Harris family went into hiding after the shooting. This may also be the reason the police never followed up on the complaints. Perhaps someone involved with government operations at the top gave orders to not follow up on the complaints. I know this enters the realm of kooky conspiracy but Colorado has been associated with a lot of strange military and government activity in the recent years. I think there is some potential of a connection between Wayne Harris and the government


Take the following material with a grain of salt, but if you sift through some of the questionable claims there are some good questions raised which the "official" report tries to dismiss.
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Thanks for reading and any comments would be welcomed.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]  BAHAHA! You had me at "cover up"   I am also someone who is constantly looking at everything from all angles, even the conspiracy ones.

Columbine definitely has it's fair share. Some are very easily explained away, others are more difficult to make any true sense of, and a couple really make you wonder WTF was going on in that school and the surrounding community.  

Welcome to the forum!

There is a lot I would like to say but I haven't had a lot of sleep so this is going to be a bit broken up as I form my thoughts lol

As far as the subject of "who knew what"... Do I think that their friends were involved in any way (other than Robyn with the guns) no. Do I think that some knew something was going on? Yes.

From what I can gather based on what I have seen it seems to me that Eric especially made comments about killing people, shooting people, otherwise harming people on the daily. I think hearing him talk about that kind of thing was not surprising nor was it concerning to his friends. There were a few friends that knew that Eric and Dylan had the guns. Did they buy the excuse that they were for targets or shooting wild animals? Probably not...I mean you don't use a tec 9 for target shooting.... but you have to remember these kids were young and probably didn't give anything a second thought.

We know now that some of their friends helped Eric dismantle fireworks. Fireworks that he later used in bombs. Does that make them accomplices? Maybe.But did any really know what the fireworks were going to be used for? No.

Neither Eric nor Dylan were involved in the TCM. They associated with kids that were in the group and they work the coats themselves but were not members and from what I can tell the TCM was all but broken up by 99. I don't think they had any involvement whatsoever and I think the group itself was a scapegoat for the media to an extent. I think some of the kids in that group had no idea who the boys even were.

In the end, do I think that others may have helped in inadvertent ways (such as the firework example) yes I do. But do I don't think that anyone other than Eric and Dylan knew the plan or helped them knowing what was going to transpire.

It's very hard to say who knew anything about what was going to happen. I don't believe anyone knew they were planning on killing people. That would mean there were people in that town that day who knew people were going to be killed and they did nothing to stop it. That's just a bridge too far.

Having said that, I do believe some of them knew they were going to do something. Maybe they thought it was only going to be an elaborate prank or something, but someone close to them must have suspected something.

As for who knew they were going to do something that particular day, I am still extremely suspicious of Robyn Anderson. She was rushed to get out of the school and calmed down once they were in the car, heading away from the school. If what she said was true, that she was rushed because they only had so much time for their lunch break, why did she calm down the second they were out of the parking lot? Something about all of that just doesn't add up, I think she knew more than she said. I do wanna reiterate that I don't believe she knew they were going to commit murder.

Gotta remember it was 420 and people who might seem suspicious were prob high AF/eager to go get high AF at lunch. Damn kids

HanShotFirst wrote:

Gotta remember it was 420 and people who might seem suspicious were prob high AF/eager to go get high AF at lunch. Damn kids

The sad thing is, you're probably spot on.

SandraSmit19 wrote:

HanShotFirst wrote:

Gotta remember it was 420 and people who might seem suspicious were prob high AF/eager to go get high AF at lunch. Damn kids

The sad thing is, you're probably spot on.

True!

As far as Robyn goes too with her acting suspicious. Wasn't Kristi said to be acting odd as well when she was at the park?

The thing I don't understand about Robyn is, if she knew something was up and she thought it was just a senior prank, why was she so nervous?? If she didn't think there would be mass murder (which I don't think she knew to be honest) what could have made her so nervous and then calm when she got into the car?

>There also seems to be a misconception that the TCM was a just bunch of harmless rebels and misfit weirdos. It actually seems they were quite dark and disturbed. Students reported that they were hostile and confrontational. Some students said they would apparently try to "hex" other students they disliked >and they reportedly had a deep interest in dark occultism and Black Magic.

Ohhhh, no. Oh, my God.

Where have I heard this before....oh yeah, Damien Echols. (Well, maybe the conspiracy theories about him are *true*...he lived right next to the crime scene, which wasn't mentioned in any of the like nineteen movies made about the WM3.)

Well, maybe the Christian kids at Columbine--and we all know about how nasty THEY could get, right?--would have taken that silliness seriously.

Lunkhead McGrath wrote:

>There also seems to be a misconception that the TCM was a just bunch of harmless rebels and misfit weirdos. It actually seems they were quite dark and disturbed. Students reported that they were hostile and confrontational. Some students said they would apparently try to "hex" other students they disliked >and they reportedly had a deep interest in dark occultism and Black Magic.

Ohhhh, no.  Oh, my God.  

Where have I heard this before....oh yeah, Damien Echols.  (Well, maybe the conspiracy theories about him are *true*...he lived right next to the crime scene, which wasn't mentioned in any of the like nineteen movies made about the WM3.)  

Well, maybe the Christian kids at Columbine--and we all know about how nasty THEY could get, right?--would have taken that silliness seriously.

In my school back east the very hard-core Christians a lot of them were very alternative and Goth. their heads would’ve exploded at CHS..

Lunkhead McGrath wrote:

>There also seems to be a misconception that the TCM was a just bunch of harmless rebels and misfit weirdos. It actually seems they were quite dark and disturbed. Students reported that they were hostile and confrontational. Some students said they would apparently try to "hex" other students they disliked >and they reportedly had a deep interest in dark occultism and Black Magic.

Ohhhh, no.  Oh, my God.  

Where have I heard this before....oh yeah, Damien Echols.  (Well, maybe the conspiracy theories about him are *true*...he lived right next to the crime scene, which wasn't mentioned in any of the like nineteen movies made about the WM3.)  

Well, maybe the Christian kids at Columbine--and we all know about how nasty THEY could get, right?--would have taken that silliness seriously.

Since you mentioned Damien Echols, I'm gonna use this opportunity to go completely off topic and say 'I believe John Mark Byers killed his adopted son and the other two boys and got away with it'. I have no evidence of this, except for the teeth he had removed right after the first trial so that they couldn't compare his teeth to the bitemarks that were found and the imprint of the belt buckle on his adopted son, after which he immediately admitted to spanking the boy before he disappeared and the knife that had blood on it that he repeatedly lied about. The whole thing just stinks

Thanks for all the replies and I understand the skepticism. I'm still convinced many people knew what was going to happen. I forgot to mention Brian Sargent, Robert Perry, and the mafia founder Joseph Stair. All these people were reportedly seen around the campus by many witnesses as noted in some parts of the police report. Their names are often redacted which raises suspicion. As for Dylan and Eric not being part of the mafia, while that may be technically true, that is mostly due to the fact that the founder and core members had already graduated so the remaining seniors such Brooks Brown, Chris Morris, Nate Dyckman etc. were associates of the mafia but not legitimate members. I still find it very possible that already graduated TCM members may have had some involvement or knowledge. There is a 911 call recording on Youtube where Brooks Brown mentions to the operator that a 3rd person could be involved. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] (There's a transcript in the first few comments) If you pay attention at the 0:29 mark Brooks mentions three possible perpetrators the tape clearly cuts out as he mentions the names, then resumes with him saying "if are there are three those would be the major possibilities". Was the evidence tampered with and why was the name cut out? This seems to indicate that Brooks as well as others were well aware of the impending attack. The claim that Brooks made about seeing Eric before the shooting could have been to protect himself from suspicion.

Are there any thoughts on Eric's parents? I find it highly odd that his family was so silent during the aftermath and seemed to have just faded into the shadows. I suspect Wayne Harris's secretive military background may have had something to do with this. Also any thoughts on how one of the FBI investigator's(Dwayne Fuselier) son (Scott Fuselier) was an associate of Eric and Dylan and even helped the boys film one of their movie projects?

I think joe was well out of CHS by then and not really involved with e and d . His sister was in the library and on this board and she’s been very open.



I always thought Chris Morris was the person they mentioned as maybe being involved

Screamingophelia wrote:

I think joe was well out of CHS by then and not really involved with e and d . His sister was in the library and on this board and she’s been very  open.



I always thought Chris Morris was the person they mentioned as maybe being involved

I don't know if Joe was "well" out of CHS by then, maybe a year or two at most. Have you ever seen the post shooting interview right after it happened? He has this massive creepy grin on his face the entire interview and I'm not sure if that's just how his face always looks or he's happy because of the retribution that took place. Honestly considering his little sister was in the school at the time you would think his demeanor would be different. He just seems to speak so nonchalantly as if saying "yup they finally did it". I've actually seen Amanda Stair's vlog series on Youtube where she describes her experiences. I want to give her the benefit of the doubt but perhaps she had no idea who her brother truly was or what he was involved in. He did commit suicide a few years back so who knows what demons could have been tormenting him. Obviously she would defend her brother at all costs, but maybe she was unaware of certain dark secrets he had...

As for Chris I also think that could have been who Brooks suggested. I was always suspicious of Chris Morris and the way he behaved during the shooting. I honestly think he's full of shit. If you watch his interview he has that cold, dead sociopathic look in his eyes. I believe he acted the way he did during the shooting because he knew his name would come up one way or another. He probably hoped by trying the "help" the police he could absolve himself of any suspicion.

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lomas wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

I think joe was well out of CHS by then and not really involved with e and d . His sister was in the library and on this board and she’s been very  open.



I always thought Chris Morris was the person they mentioned as maybe being involved

I don't know if Joe was "well" out of CHS by then, maybe a year or two at most. Have you ever seen the post shooting interview right after it happened? He has this massive creepy grin on his face the entire interview and I'm not sure if that's just how his face always looks or he's happy because of the retribution that took place. Honestly considering his little sister was in the school at the time you would think his demeanor would be different. He just seems to speak so nonchalantly as if saying "yup they finally did it". I've actually seen Amanda Stair's vlog series on Youtube where she describes her experiences. I want to give her the benefit of the doubt but perhaps she had no idea who her brother truly was or what he was involved in. He did commit suicide a few years back so who knows what demons could have been tormenting him. Obviously she would defend her brother at all costs, but maybe she was unaware of certain dark secrets he had...

As for Chris I also think that could have been who Brooks suggested. I was always suspicious of Chris Morris and the way he behaved during the shooting. I honestly think he's full of shit. If you watch his interview he has that cold, dead sociopathic look in his eyes. I believe he acted the way he did during the shooting because he knew his name would come up one way or another. He probably hoped by trying the "help" the police he could absolve himself of any suspicion.

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And it worked. Ultimately Chris Morris was never truly suspected of anything for very long. I don't know what he knew or how involved he was, but I agree that there was something off about him.

I think the misinformation that is out there about Columbine in general is something that throws a lot of people off.

Do you know how many people thought there were 3 shooters simply because Eric removed his coat during the shooting? Many many people.

Perry was thought to be a shooter because many people couldn't tell him apart from Dylan and so they said it was Perry instead of Dylan.

Even the AC repair man became a suspect at one point or another.

The grey areas allow for assumptions. I am guilty of that myself but I still maintain that the only people consciously aware of what was to happen were Eric and Dylan

Lizpuff wrote:

I think the misinformation that is out there about Columbine in general is something that throws a lot of people off.

Do you know how many people thought there were 3 shooters simply because Eric removed his coat during the shooting?  Many many people.

Perry was thought to be a shooter because many people couldn't tell him apart from Dylan and so they said it was Perry instead of Dylan.

Even the AC repair man became a suspect at one point or another.

The grey areas allow for assumptions.  I am guilty of that myself but I still maintain that the only people consciously aware of what was to happen were Eric and Dylan

I agree that mistaking the identity of the shooter is very possible especially in such a tense situation. However the reports about seeing more than two suspects together still leaves me with questions. One of the first witnesses interviewed on live TV (Chris Wisher) who saw the assailants approach the school through the soccer field saw 3 people one of whom was not wearing a trenchcoat. He seems very composed and coherent which is why I find his story believable. It's very possible that an accomplice was throwing bombs then took off before the mayhem in the school took place. If it was Chris Morris he may have changed his shirt then called the police to himself look innocent. I honestly don't believe anyone else was inside the school as a shooter but I believe accomplices may have helped in setting up/detonating diversionary bombs or helped plant bombs inside the school.

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Someone by the name of Evan Long had a site where he spoke to one witness who was apparently in the room with Dave Sanders as he died.
His site is no longer up but this video has excerpts from it.
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This forum post has links to some good material too.
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This forums has some really interesting in depth stuff
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This post in particular is quite interesting as it seems to indicate that the TCM branched out into other Denver area communities. I highly suspect that cover up was done to hide the incompetency of law enforcement and school officials in realizing that such a volatile group with terrorist potential could exist in their pristine suburban communities.
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I don't trust any news media that came out right away. So many myths. That interview is very misleading

There happened to be 3 individuals arrested as they walked across the field that day. They had nothing to do with the crime but were there to help save a girlfriend of one of them. I wonder if that got crossed somehow

Lizpuff wrote:

I don't trust any news media that came out right away.  So many myths.  That interview is very misleading

There happened to be 3 individuals arrested as they walked across the field that day.  They had nothing to do with the crime but were there to help save a girlfriend of one of them.  I wonder if that got crossed somehow

I know exactly who you're referring to, I have a link to the 911 call in my second to last post where Brooks Brown tells the operator those 3 are not the attackers. However Wisher says the 3 he saw had guns and bombs and they did approach the school right at the time the official shooting was said to have begun. I know there are plenty of inaccurate witness statements, but Wisher was not caught up in the chaos that happened inside the school. He caught the very beginning of the attack so I feel his statement is rather reliable. Like I said I don't believe there were other shooters but accomplices outside the school during the early part of the attack could be possible.

lomas wrote:

I'm still convinced many people knew what was going to happen.  

Big problem I have with this is that a big secret like this would've been unlikely to be kept as a secret for so long. The more people who are in on it, the more likely it is that the secret no longer remains as one. 

lomas wrote:

Was the evidence tampered with and why was the name cut out?

Well obviously whomever it was wasn't a third shooter so letting their name go public could seriously hurt their reputation. 

lomas wrote:

This seems to indicate that Brooks as well as others were well aware of the impending attack.

That is a staggeringly large leap in logic that I'm not following. Care to explain?

lomas wrote:

I find it highly odd that his family was so silent during the aftermath and seemed to have just faded into the shadows.

I don't. God knows they want to be reminded of the killings as little as possible.

lomas wrote:

One of the first witnesses interviewed on live TV (Chris Wisher) who saw the assailants approach the school through the soccer field saw 3 people one of whom was not wearing a trenchcoat. He seems very composed and coherent which is why I find his story believable.

Doesn't matter how composed you think he is, he's more than likely remembering wrong.

I don't think Chris Wisher's recollection is accurate. Many witnesses clearly stated they saw Eric and Dylan standing at the top of the staircase, outside the main west entrance before the shooting began. Just the two of them and no one else. They did not have their guns out when many of these witnesses saw them and likely took the guns out and into view mere seconds before opening fire. Also, Eric and Dylan drove up in their cars and parked in the junior and senior parking lot respectively. They did not approach the school from the soccer field. Seeing three attackers approach the school with guns and bombs (were they holding the bombs in their hands as well as the guns?) doesn't seem to add up.

Just found a tidbit. On page 4436 of the 11k, Sarah Slater states in her interview that she spoke to Jocelyn Heckler, the sister of Zach Heckler, and that Jocelyn told her Zach knew Eric and Dylan had planned it all but that he never believed they would carry it out.

On a side note, Sarah also claims Dylan had a crush on her and wanted to date her and that she told him no. That would mean he actually asked. Painfully shy Dylan, who wrote love letters but never sent them, asked a pretty girl to date him

SandraSmit19 wrote:

Just found a tidbit. On page 4436 of the 11k, Sarah Slater states in her interview that she spoke to Jocelyn Heckler, the sister of Zach Heckler, and that Jocelyn told her Zach knew Eric and Dylan had planned it all but that he never believed they would carry it out.

On a side note, Sarah also claims Dylan had a crush on her and wanted to date her and that she told him no. That would mean he actually asked. Painfully shy Dylan, who wrote love letters but never sent them, asked a pretty girl to date him

Of course she did. Girls like that only date the "cool" guys. The nerds forget about them.

Sarah stated she was a bit of a nerd in freshman year and she talked to Dylan a lot and listened to him

You can’t blame him for trying if she was always so nice and a friend


For someone so shy he evidently asked out a lot of girls. I wonder if sometimes it was exaggerated. Like Marla saying he asked her to prom. Robyn claims he didn’t even know when Prom was

SandraSmit19 wrote:

Just found a tidbit. On page 4436 of the 11k, Sarah Slater states in her interview that she spoke to Jocelyn Heckler, the sister of Zach Heckler, and that Jocelyn told her Zach knew Eric and Dylan had planned it all but that he never believed they would carry it out.

On a side note, Sarah also claims Dylan had a crush on her and wanted to date her and that she told him no. That would mean he actually asked. Painfully shy Dylan, who wrote love letters but never sent them, asked a pretty girl to date him

She was pretty cute wasn't she? Wonder what she looks like today. Alyssa Sechler too. Marla Foust I've seen.

As for John Mark Byers and Damien Echols, God knows who committed that repulsive crime for sure (the crime scene footage in "Paradise Lost" is beyond disgusting to me...can't watch it) but I do think all the documentaries and films definitely skewed pro-Damien, and that none of them mentioned that he lived right next to the crime scene is kinda galling. John Mark Byers may or may not have done it, but let's be honest, people who want to believe he did it are probably a little easily swayed--hey, I found the guy disgusting too, I'm from the Midwest and I HATE rednecks...but that doesn't mean JMB did it.

Lunkhead McGrath wrote:

SandraSmit19 wrote:

Just found a tidbit. On page 4436 of the 11k, Sarah Slater states in her interview that she spoke to Jocelyn Heckler, the sister of Zach Heckler, and that Jocelyn told her Zach knew Eric and Dylan had planned it all but that he never believed they would carry it out.

On a side note, Sarah also claims Dylan had a crush on her and wanted to date her and that she told him no. That would mean he actually asked. Painfully shy Dylan, who wrote love letters but never sent them, asked a pretty girl to date him

She was pretty cute wasn't she?  Wonder what she looks like today. Alyssa Sechler too.  Marla Foust I've seen.  

As for John Mark Byers and Damien Echols, God knows who committed that repulsive crime for sure (the crime scene footage in "Paradise Lost" is beyond disgusting to me...can't watch it)  but I do think all the documentaries and films definitely skewed pro-Damien, and that none of them mentioned that he lived right next to the crime scene is kinda galling.  John Mark Byers may or may not have done it, but let's be honest, people who want to believe he did it are probably a little easily swayed--hey, I found the guy disgusting too, I'm from the Midwest and I HATE rednecks...but that doesn't mean JMB did it.  

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Lunkhead McGrath wrote:

 As for John Mark Byers and Damien Echols, God knows who committed that repulsive crime for sure (the crime scene footage in "Paradise Lost" is beyond disgusting to me...can't watch it)  but I do think all the documentaries and films definitely skewed pro-Damien, and that none of them mentioned that he lived right next to the crime scene is kinda galling.  John Mark Byers may or may not have done it, but let's be honest, people who want to believe he did it are probably a little easily swayed--hey, I found the guy disgusting too, I'm from the Midwest and I HATE rednecks...but that doesn't mean JMB did it.  

@Lunkhead McGrath     Am I missing something? But how did the West Memphis 3 get brought into this?  I have actually researched that case quite thoroughly. Still boggles my mind to this day what happened to those three little boys.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Lunkhead McGrath wrote:

 As for John Mark Byers and Damien Echols, God knows who committed that repulsive crime for sure (the crime scene footage in "Paradise Lost" is beyond disgusting to me...can't watch it)  but I do think all the documentaries and films definitely skewed pro-Damien, and that none of them mentioned that he lived right next to the crime scene is kinda galling.  John Mark Byers may or may not have done it, but let's be honest, people who want to believe he did it are probably a little easily swayed--hey, I found the guy disgusting too, I'm from the Midwest and I HATE rednecks...but that doesn't mean JMB did it.  

@Lunkhead McGrath     Am I missing something? But how did the West Memphis 3 get brought into this?  I have actually researched that case quite thoroughly. Still boggles my mind to this day what happened to those three little boys.  

They got brought up earlier in the thread when someone was discussing crazy rumors about Goth kids at Columbine. Damien Echols was rumored to have drank blood in front people, too.

Lunkhead McGrath wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Lunkhead McGrath wrote:

 As for John Mark Byers and Damien Echols, God knows who committed that repulsive crime for sure (the crime scene footage in "Paradise Lost" is beyond disgusting to me...can't watch it)  but I do think all the documentaries and films definitely skewed pro-Damien, and that none of them mentioned that he lived right next to the crime scene is kinda galling.  John Mark Byers may or may not have done it, but let's be honest, people who want to believe he did it are probably a little easily swayed--hey, I found the guy disgusting too, I'm from the Midwest and I HATE rednecks...but that doesn't mean JMB did it.  

@Lunkhead McGrath     Am I missing something? But how did the West Memphis 3 get brought into this?  I have actually researched that case quite thoroughly. Still boggles my mind to this day what happened to those three little boys.  

They got brought up earlier in the thread when someone was discussing crazy rumors about Goth kids at Columbine.  Damien Echols was rumored to have drank blood in front people, too.  

Yes that whole case was filled with rumors and a fuck ton of conspiracies. Actually it still is even though they were released from prison.  A LOT of unanswered questions still in that case.

I don't think anyone else knew or even had a suspicion. You have to remember that even though school shootings happened before, it was Columbine that changed everything. Allot of people were naive such as Robyn and Manes, who i don't think even thought of the possibility that these guns would be used to do something like this. I don't think the TCM had anything to with it either. E&D had loose association with these people through Chris Morris.

As far as Brooks phone call, im positive the 3rd guy he named was Chris Morris. I don't think them removing it was "covering up" but rather taking out someone who had nothing to do with it (even though he is a prominent name in this).