8 dead, several others wounded in Pittsburgh synagogue shooting

Watching the livestream of the event right now.

Could be an islamic motivated Shooting?

Kiwi Farms is on the case: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/robert-bowers-onedingo.49350/

Big surprise, he's a white supremacist.

And they just confirmed it was him.

Another far-right terrorist attack.

Tommy QTR wrote:

Another far-right terrorist attack.

There's been a fair few lately; it's getting odd. I think the upcoming elections and hard hitting rhetoric from the left is making a lot of these people who were on the edge before move off it.

Someone is saying that the gunman used a AK-47. If that is true, this is gonna go either in two ways. Either one, this is story will be forgotten about immediately, cause the suspect didn't use a AR weapon. Or two, people are going to start demonizing AK weapons.

QuestionMark wrote:

Tommy QTR wrote:

Another far-right terrorist attack.

There's been a fair few lately; it's getting odd. I think the upcoming elections and hard hitting rhetoric from the left is making a lot of these people who were on the edge before move off it.

I also think it's because they are loosing support and are becoming irrelevant, take the alt-right a year ago, they were a large movement with thousands of supporters, now look at them today, they're a complete joke.

Here is the scanner audio.

School Massacre Archives wrote:

Someone is saying that the gunman used a AK-47. If that is true, this is gonna go either in two ways. Either one, this is story will be forgotten about immediately, cause the suspect didn't use a AR weapon. Or two, people are going to start demonizing AK weapons.

Nah this is gonna stay in the news for a while, it'll give the media ample opportunity to demonize the President and Republicans in general. 

Tommy QTR wrote:

QuestionMark wrote:

Tommy QTR wrote:

Another far-right terrorist attack.

There's been a fair few lately; it's getting odd. I think the upcoming elections and hard hitting rhetoric from the left is making a lot of these people who were on the edge before move off it.

I also think it's because they are loosing support and are becoming irrelevant, take the alt-right a year ago, they were a large movement with thousands of supporters, now look at them today, they're a complete joke.

I don't think they had much support even back then.

White supremacists  + Neo Nazis love Trump for a reason and it's not because of the "lying liberal media."

Edit:  Anyone who tries to convince me that the Republican party hasn't been the party of bigotry for decades is wasting their energy. Do you want to support a bunch of moderate conservatives instead? There's this other party. They're called the Democrats.

QuestionMark wrote:

Tommy QTR wrote:

QuestionMark wrote:

Tommy QTR wrote:

Another far-right terrorist attack.

There's been a fair few lately; it's getting odd. I think the upcoming elections and hard hitting rhetoric from the left is making a lot of these people who were on the edge before move off it.

I also think it's because they are loosing support and are becoming irrelevant, take the alt-right a year ago, they were a large movement with thousands of supporters, now look at them today, they're a complete joke.

I don't think they had much support even back then.

They had a lot more support a year ago than now, ironically it was the "Unite the Right" in Charlottesville that killed of their movement, this vice documentary really shows how pathetic they've become:

Undyne wrote:

White supremacists  + Neo Nazis love Trump for a reason and it's not because of the "lying liberal media."

Edit:  Anyone who tries to convince me that the Republican party hasn't been the party of bigotry for decades is wasting their energy.  Do you want to support a bunch of moderate conservatives instead?  There's this other party.  They're called the Democrats.

Sorry jackass, this guy wasn't a trump supporter. You'll have to plant your soapbox somewhere else.

Spoiler:

Don't worry though! You can make yourself feel better by typing out a 5000 word essay on why I'm an evil racist neo nazi, which I won't read a word of!

I wonder where he ranks on my score sheet...

Adam Lanza wrote:

I wonder where he ranks on my score sheet...

8 kills would make you a near failure on encylopedia dramatia, he might have well stayed in bed....

Ziamber II wrote:

Adam Lanza wrote:

I wonder where he ranks on my score sheet...

8 kills would make you a near failure on encylopedia dramatia, he might have well stayed in bed....

We all know Michael Ryan wished he did.

Tommy QTR wrote:

Ziamber II wrote:

Adam Lanza wrote:

I wonder where he ranks on my score sheet...

8 kills would make you a near failure on encylopedia dramatia, he might have well stayed in bed....

We all know Michael Ryan wished he did.

I think Hungerford was the saddest shooting, as he didn't plan for his day to end up like that and become an hero.

Undyne wrote:

White supremacists  + Neo Nazis love Trump for a reason and it's not because of the "lying liberal media."

Edit:  Anyone who tries to convince me that the Republican party hasn't been the party of bigotry for decades is wasting their energy.  Do you want to support a bunch of moderate conservatives instead?  There's this other party.  They're called the Democrats.

There are plenty of people just as fed up with liberals these days. Different goals, same "you agree with our extreme opinions or you're the enemy" rhetoric.

Now they are saying that 11 people died

School Massacre Archives wrote:

Someone is saying that the gunman used a AK-47. If that is true, this is gonna go either in two ways. Either one, this is story will be forgotten about immediately, cause the suspect didn't use a AR weapon. Or two, people are going to start demonizing AK weapons.

Correction. He used a AR-15, not a AK-47. Here we go again.

School Massacre Archives wrote:

School Massacre Archives wrote:

Someone is saying that the gunman used a AK-47. If that is true, this is gonna go either in two ways. Either one, this is story will be forgotten about immediately, cause the suspect didn't use a AR weapon. Or two, people are going to start demonizing AK weapons.

Correction. He used a AR-15, not a AK-47. Here we go again.

Someone somewhere back made an interesting observation that's really kind of profound when you think about it: "Sandy Hook taught me that if someone can mow down dozens of kindergarteners without assault weapons being banned then they never will be".

I guess one can bemoan or celebrate that fact depending on where they fall on the political spectrum.

Undyne wrote:

Anyone who tries to convince me that the Republican party hasn't been the party of bigotry for decades is wasting their energy.  Do you want to support a bunch of moderate conservatives instead?  There's this other party.  They're called the Democrats.

Well, actually maybe the Republican party has been the party of what you call "bigotry" for decades, but it has not always been the case. Until the 1960s with Kennedy and then especially Lyndon Johnson and the Civil Rights Act, the Republicans were the party of the Northern urban people and the democrats were the party of the Southern "bigots". During the Civil War democrats were anti-abolitionists and then pro-segregation, whereas the Republican party was abolitionist. So parties can change.

Already has it's own Wikipedia page:

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Undyne wrote:

White supremacists  + Neo Nazis love Trump for a reason and it's not because of the "lying liberal media."

Edit:  Anyone who tries to convince me that the Republican party hasn't been the party of bigotry for decades is wasting their energy.  Do you want to support a bunch of moderate conservatives instead?  There's this other party.  They're called the Democrats.

Imagine being this far down the SJW rabbit hole. I hope for your sake you find your way out, cause I used to be pretty far in myself and it saddens me knowing that there's others out there in my former position who haven't climbed out.

QuestionMark wrote:

Undyne wrote:

White supremacists  + Neo Nazis love Trump for a reason and it's not because of the "lying liberal media."

Edit:  Anyone who tries to convince me that the Republican party hasn't been the party of bigotry for decades is wasting their energy.  Do you want to support a bunch of moderate conservatives instead?  There's this other party.  They're called the Democrats.

Imagine being this far down the SJW rabbit hole. I hope for your sake you find your way out, cause I used to be pretty far in myself and it saddens me knowing that there's others out there in my former position who haven't climbed out.

Don't waste your time talking to this loser [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], he's made it clear that he just wants to sit in a nice comfy echo-chamber, emerging only to vomit his opinions onto people.

Archive of his Gab Account:

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I can't imagine where this guy got his insane hatred for Jewish billionaire George Soros and all the conspiracy theories surrounding him. Or his insane hatred for the caravan. It all came from nowhere. Certainly not from Fox News, Breitbart, Glenn Beck etc ect etc. Media has no effect on anyone. derp

Undyne wrote:

I can't imagine where this guy got his insane hatred for Jewish billionaire George Soros and all the conspiracy theories surrounding him.  Or his insane hatred for the caravan.  It all came from nowhere.  Certainly not from Fox News, Breitbart, Glenn Beck etc ect etc.  Media has no effect on anyone.  derp

All of those you mentioned are pro-big business and pro-Israel.

It's now confirmed he had 3 handguns with him.

Undyne wrote:

I can't imagine where this guy got his insane hatred for Jewish billionaire George Soros and all the conspiracy theories surrounding him.  Or his insane hatred for the caravan.  It all came from nowhere.  Certainly not from Fox News, Breitbart, Glenn Beck etc ect etc.  Media has no effect on anyone.  derp

Plenty of people pay attention to the media, including the shows you mentioned, and don't go on killing sprees. If someone is willing to kill because of what he sees on tv then he was willing to kill to begin with.

The fact that it took place during a bris, which is highly controversial due to the circumscion being done without anesthetics and for the rabbi sucking the newly cut penis. It's also interesting that the rabbi performing the bris has recently castrated a baby by accident. They can blame the shooter all they want but at the end of the day he prevented a baby from being raped and mutilated by this barbaric practice

They're pro-Israel because they hate Palestinian protestors, not because they love the Jews.

Fox News being the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] news channel for racists isn't some fringe SJW opinion lol. Even The Simpsons pointed this out.

Conservative media doesn't directly cause someone to kill but it does fuel their hatred. One of my coworkers thinks that the Democrats are literal Satanists who want to destroy America by flooding the US with immigrants. Where do you think he gets these ideas from?

STK wrote:

QuestionMark wrote:

Undyne wrote:

White supremacists  + Neo Nazis love Trump for a reason and it's not because of the "lying liberal media."

Edit:  Anyone who tries to convince me that the Republican party hasn't been the party of bigotry for decades is wasting their energy.  Do you want to support a bunch of moderate conservatives instead?  There's this other party.  They're called the Democrats.

Imagine being this far down the SJW rabbit hole. I hope for your sake you find your way out, cause I used to be pretty far in myself and it saddens me knowing that there's others out there in my former position who haven't climbed out.

Don't waste your time talking to this loser [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], he's made it clear that he just wants to sit in a nice comfy echo-chamber, emerging only to vomit his opinions onto people.

Yeah, I just can't help but feeling a measure of pity for someone like this. I can only hope that they find some more nuanced opinions on their own with time.

Yeah, if only I had more nuanced arguments like, "Look at this SJW. Checkmate."

Undyne wrote:

I can't imagine where this guy got his insane hatred for Jewish billionaire George Soros and all the conspiracy theories surrounding him.  Or his insane hatred for the caravan.  It all came from nowhere.  Certainly not from Fox News, Breitbart, Glenn Beck etc ect etc.  Media has no effect on anyone.  derp

You do realise almost every major leftist party in the Western world also hates Soros, right? He is the definition of election meddling.

You do realise it takes 100 days at minimum to walk from Guatamala to Texas right? That means the caravan was artificially created or else nobody would have had enough food or water for more than a month at best and those would be the well off ones. Add on the fact that the caravan is now knowingly violating international laws of asylum and its not so nutty to be angered by it.

The only one having things come from nowhere is you. Do some research rather than just demonising those you oppose

Dipshit wrote:

Yeah, if only I had more nuanced arguments like, "look at this SJW. Checkmate."

We do have more nuanced arguments, but since you've openly stated that trying to change your opinion would be a "waste of energy" (one point that we both agree on) we're content to just watch you act like a dipshit before you get bored and fuck off. I'd type some more, but I've got better things to do than argue with some loser online. Later.
EDIT: oh and by the way, feel free to type up some poorly written manifesto detailing why I'm wrong and evil and a terrorist or whatever. I'll make sure to totally ignore it.

Undyne wrote:

They're pro-Israel because they hate Palestinian protestors, not because they love the Jews.

Yet antisemitic people are not "pro-Israel". Unless you mean pro-Israel because they think it is the perfect place to send Jews back, according to them. That's what antisemitic people think. They won't say they are "pro-Israel" because they hate Palestinian, I think they are doing perfectly fine hating both.

Undyne wrote:

Fox News being the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] news channel for racists isn't some fringe SJW opinion lol.  Even The Simpsons pointed this out.

Conservative media doesn't directly cause someone to kill but it does fuel their hatred.  One of my coworkers thinks that the Democrats are literal Satanists who want to destroy America by flooding the US with immigrants.  Where do you think he gets these ideas from?

Sure, Dylann Roof became radicalized watching Fox News... How naive. Maybe racist people watch Fox News because it is the best they've got among mainstream media and it is not a left media, unlike CNN, but this is not the place where they learn about race, immigration, crime among black people, Islam... Conservative people have conservative medias, you're right on that. But racist people have racist medias. And believe me, it has nothing to do with Fox News. I won't mention them because I don't want to plug them but I am sure you know them. You don't find a tab untitled "The Jewish problem" on Fox News website. Racist people, white supremacists go on these websites, listen to non-mainstream radios, and I am sure most of the time they think Fox News is ignoring what they think are the real issues or spreading fake news.

I think in general, there are people that prefer to watch news that best corresponds with their beliefs and values.

Here is one example:

Some conspiracy theorists might enjoy watching Infowars, but not government owned media.

This is not an absolute principle, but only an example that is non-representative of all individuals.

Robert Bowers did use far-right oriented social media.

I hope for the possibility that the FBI will release his browser history.

I think Robert Bower will get the death penalty.

His 3 Glock Handguns:

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More scanner audio. The weird thing here is that they also say in the scanner audio that a AK was used. I also wonder why they referred to the shooter as a "actor"?

Ziamber II wrote:

I think Robert Bower will get the death penalty.

Pretty unlikely in Pennsylvania. Even if it goes to federal court I doubt it as well. Roof didn't get the death penalty and he did the same thing. Then again, jews are given special treatment so it wouldn't shock me if Bowers got a harsher sentence

mrhyde wrote:

Ziamber II wrote:

I think Robert Bower will get the death penalty.

Pretty unlikely in Pennsylvania. Even if it goes to federal court I doubt it as well. Roof didn't get the death penalty and he did the same thing. Then again, jews are given special treatment so it wouldn't shock me if Bowers got a harsher sentence

Dylann Roof did get the death penalty, both state and federal.

Tommy QTR wrote:

His 3 Glock Handguns:

Credit to [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] for finding the image.

I noticed that wikipedia states he used a Colt AR-15 SP1, a rather old rifle produced from 1964-1985. Considering his age, I wonder if he bought it in the 90's, and has been hanging onto it since then.
I also find it interesting that his pistol's were all newer, more exotic models models while his rifle was an old Colt AR-15. I guess he preferred pistols.

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More scanner audio. The weird thing here is that they also say in the scanner audio that a AK was used. I also wonder why they referred to the shooter as a "actor"?

You know, as in "non state actor" or "lone wolf actor".

Social media has made it easier than ever to be radicalized. You can find a group for anything you believe in and after that everything becomes confirmation bias and you slip deeper and deeper.

I'm just surprised the Islamic State hasn't claimed they were behind it yet.

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More scanner audio. The weird thing here is that they also say in the scanner audio that a AK was used. I also wonder why they referred to the shooter as a "actor"?

Well that's only gonna bring out the people claiming this is a false flag event.

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Here's the most detailed summary of the shooting I've found so far. If anybody comes across anything more in depth, please post it.