Freeman High School Shooting - 1 Dead, 3 Wounded

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There isn't much information yet but it sounds like the perpetrator was stopped by a staff member after killing a student that tried to stop him and wounding three more.

A student said that he had friends and was not bullied, that he was "nice and funny and weird" but that he was obsessed with other school shootings. The article says that he came to the school with a pistol, rifle and a duffel bag so I wonder if this is another Columbine copycat.

I found a youtube channel which re-uploaded his videos, another E&D copycat.

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How exactly did the staff member "stop" him? i mean he had gun.. was he shocked after killing the student or something?

Naze Warbled wrote:

How exactly did the staff member "stop" him? i mean he had gun.. was he shocked after killing the student or something?

Probably tackled him. Just a second of distraction could destroy one's plan easily, especially if it's a teenage boy with no advanced training.

1Mare1 wrote:

I found a youtube channel which re-uploaded his videos, another E&D copycat.

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It's weird, I don't even think this guy was alive when Columbine happened. Most copycats were alive when it happened.

QuestionMark wrote:

1Mare1 wrote:

I found a youtube channel which re-uploaded his videos, another E&D copycat.

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It's weird, I don't even think this guy was alive when Columbine happened. Most copycats were alive when it happened.

I don't find it weird at all. Eric and Dylan are the most infamous school shooters, it makes sense someone with a predisposition to commit a school shooting would show an interest in previous school shootings.

His channel doesn't seem to have anything about Columbine....

InsaneIntruder wrote:

His channel doesn't seem to have anything about Columbine....

His channel doesn't exist, it was deleted by Youtube on the day of the shooting. You are talking about the channel which re-uploaded his videos.

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The gunman, 15 year old Caleb Sharpe, brought both an AR and a pistol to school, using a duffel bag to carry the rifle. He pulled the rifle out and tried to load it but the AR immediately jammed and then he pulled out a pistol as a classmate approached him saying, "I knew you would shoot up the school." He shot and killed the boy (who Caleb said bullied him but who he did not target specifically) and then shot three girls before the pistol also jammed. Then he surrendered to a janitor who approached him, dropping to the ground until authorities arrived.

He was seeing a school counselor after expressing suicidal thoughts and he had also previously informed other students at the school that he was going to "do something stupid" which could get him arrested or killed.

sscc wrote:

He was seeing a school counselor after expressing suicidal thoughts and he had also previously informed other students at the school that he was going to "do something stupid" which could get him arrested or killed.

Funny how people go full paranoid when someone wears a trench coat at school, but when someone gives open red flags like that kid, they act blind. Where were the parents, and did they have any knowledge of their son's behavior?

1Mare1 wrote:

sscc wrote:

He was seeing a school counselor after expressing suicidal thoughts and he had also previously informed other students at the school that he was going to "do something stupid" which could get him arrested or killed.

Funny how people go full paranoid when someone wears a trench coat at school, but when someone gives open red flags like that kid, they act blind. Where were the parents, and did they have any knowledge of their son's behavior?

One news report states he had lost his father sometime this Summer.

sscc wrote:

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The gunman, 15 year old Caleb Sharpe, brought both an AR and a pistol to school, using a duffel bag to carry the rifle. He pulled the rifle out and tried to load it but the AR immediately jammed and then he pulled out a pistol as a classmate approached him saying, "I knew you would shoot up the school." He shot and killed the boy (who Caleb said bullied him but who he did not target him specifically) and then shot three girls before the pistol also jammed. Then he surrendered to a janitor who approached him, dropping to the ground until authorities arrived.

He was seeing a school counselor after expressing suicidal thoughts and he had also previously informed other students at the school that he was going to "do something stupid" which could get him arrested or killed.

Just imagine how triggered he must had been at that moment. Finally executing his plan and all the guns like shits on his face and jams.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

One news report states he had lost his father sometime this Summer.

Not sure if that's legitimate, but shouldn't that just give more reasons to watch him? Children are crippled through the period of realizing they just lost their parent. He had all red flags for sure.

1Mare1 wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

One news report states he had lost his father sometime this Summer.

Not sure if that's legitimate, but shouldn't that just give more reasons to watch him? Children are crippled through the period of realizing they just lost their parent. He had all red flags for sure.

Actually, it turns out that it was the victim's father who was killed this summer.

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The student who was killed, a 15-year-old sophomore, was still mourning the unexpected death of his father, who was crushed beneath a motorhome he was working on in June.

"Half her family is gone," Knezovich said of the victim's mother.

1Mare1 wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

One news report states he had lost his father sometime this Summer.

Not sure if that's legitimate, but shouldn't that just give more reasons to watch him? Children are crippled through the period of realizing they just lost their parent. He had all red flags for sure.

From the little known about him so far, he did seem to be very troubled. I'm just wondering how the notes that he passed to friends saying that he was going to do something like this not get more attention? One report stated that one of the notes had been given to the school counselor by his friend. I wonder how they didn't think it was a serious matter?

sscc wrote:

Actually, it turns out that it was the victim's father who was killed this summer.

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The student who was killed, a 15-year-old sophomore, was still mourning the unexpected death of his father, who was crushed beneath a motorhome he was working on in June.

Thank you for correcting me! I didn't read through it well enough apparently.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

One report stated that one of the notes had been given to the school counselor by his friend. I wonder how they didn't think it was a serious matter?

Indeed. Everyone is paranoid when it's not needed, but fails to detect the obvious signs. Similar mistake happened when Dylan wrote that story in creative writing.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

From the little known about him so far, he did seem to be very troubled. I'm just wondering how the notes that he passed to friends saying that he was going to do something like this not get more attention? One report stated that one of the notes had been given to the school counselor by his friend. I wonder how they didn't think it was a serious matter?

I was kind of horrified when I read the sheriff's take on it.

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Asked if warning signals had been missed, Sheriff Knezovich said, "They are always missed" and that the school should not be blamed.

I hope he was misquoted because it's a ridiculous thing to say. It's not that the signs are "always" missed, it's just that there isn't a mass shooting when the signs are taken seriously so we never hear about it. I don't know how honest this kid was with his counselor but if they didn't inform his parents and ask him to explain exactly what he meant by what he wrote in the note then they seriously failed him (and all of his victims) and they should certainly be blamed.

And it seems that the parents failed him as well. The kid was in counseling because he was suicidal but they let him have access to the family's guns. Even if they had no idea about the mass shooting glorification, they still had an obligation to restrict his access to that gun safe if they wanted to protect him. A gun safe is not any use at all if a suicidal kid has the combination.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Thank you for correcting me! [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] I didn't read through it well enough apparently.

No problem. Happens to us all sometimes!

sscc wrote:

I was kind of horrified when I read the sheriff's take on it.

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Asked if warning signals had been missed, Sheriff Knezovich said, "They are always missed" and that the school should not be blamed.

I hope he was misquoted because it's a ridiculous thing to say. It's not that the signs are "always" missed, it's just that there isn't a mass shooting when the signs are taken seriously so we never hear about it. I don't know how honest this kid was with his counselor but if they didn't inform his parents and ask him to explain exactly what he meant by what he wrote in the note then they seriously failed him (and all of his victims) and they should certainly be blamed.

And it seems that the parents failed him as well. The kid was in counseling because he was suicidal but they let him have access to the family's guns. Even if they had no idea about the mass shooting glorification, they still had an obligation to restrict his access to that gun safe if they wanted to protect him. A gun safe is not any use at all if a suicidal kid has the combination

I agree, if the parents knew he was suicidal why the hell did he still have access to guns? I'm also wanting to hear what the counselor has to say.

Fuck, I knew shootings were going to happen this school year, but I didn't expect one to happen so early. If he was suicidal, I wonder why he didn't kill himself? Or why he stopped shooting?

pessimist wrote:

Or why he stopped shooting?

From the news reports both guns jammed.

Ah, gotcha. I still wonder why he chose to give himself up if he was truly suicidal. You'd think he'd bring some kind of backup of some kind like at the very least a homemade explosive device as a last measure of sorts. I bet he feels pretty fucking stupid having only killed 1 person and is now likely spending the rest of his life in prison over high school bullying that would've only lasted a few more years at most.

pessimist wrote:

If he was suicidal, I wonder why he didn't kill himself?

Some suicidal people feel their suicide is not going to cause any significance and people will move on like nothing happened next day, and out of misery and rage they want to take other lives with them. This is one of the reasons mass shootings happen.

I know that, I meant after he was done shooting why he didn't kill himself, but now I learned that his guns jammed so I guess that answers my question.

1Mare1 wrote:

pessimist wrote:

If he was suicidal, I wonder why he didn't kill himself?

Some suicidal people feel their suicide is not going to cause any significance and people will move on like nothing happened next day.

Would you go as far to say that some suicidal people do not kill themselves out of spite? If in their own minds, they think that their death would have no effect on the people around them, do they stay alive to punish those people?

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Would you go as far to say that some suicidal people do not kill themselves out of spite? If in their own minds, they think that their death would have no effect on the people around them, do they stay alive to punish those people?

Oh definitely, this is kind of similar, but I've seen people before who have been encouraged/bullied into committing suicide by others before, but have purposefully not done it just to spite the other person who they hate. It's honestly kind of crazy how a bit of reverse psychology can actually stop someone from choosing to end their own lives. However, I'd imagine that it probably only works with someone who's not entirely sure that they want to commit suicide yet. I'd imagine if someone is extremely and severely suicidal, there isn't much anyone can do to stop them from killing themselves. Those are the types of people who will endure any kind of physical suffering just to die, and don't care about the rest of the world or what other people think of them by that point.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Would you go as far to say that some suicidal people do not kill themselves out of spite? If in their own minds, they think that their death would have no effect on the people around them, do they stay alive to punish those people?

It is not uncommon. If the weapons didn't jam, this shooting would have had a different ending.

Wait don't want to misinform, as there seem to be conflicting stories on if only one or both of his weapons jammed. Either way the first jammed, and the second either jammed or he just surrendered when he was approached. Still trying to read whats been released on this case.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Wait don't want to misinform, as there seem to be conflicting stories on if only one or both of his weapons jammed. Either way the first jammed, and the second either jammed or he just surrendered when he was approached.

Yeah, that's where I'm confused too. I read an article saying that it was only his first pistol that jammed, but some people here are saying both jammed? Does anyone have any credible facts yet?

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Wait don't want to misinform, as there seem to be conflicting stories on if only one or both of his weapons jammed. Either way the first jammed, and the second either jammed or he just surrendered when he was approached. Still trying to read whats been released on this case.

Can't trust the media these days, but the first article says his rifle and his pistol were both jammed.

pessimist wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Wait don't want to misinform, as there seem to be conflicting stories on if only one or both of his weapons jammed. Either way the first jammed, and the second either jammed or he just surrendered when he was approached.

Yeah, that's where I'm confused too. I read an article saying that it was only his first pistol that jammed, but some people here are saying both jammed? Does anyone have any credible facts yet?

LOL! Credible facts seem very hard to come by when things like this happen. Mainly because the media just rush to crank out something about it.

1Mare1 wrote:

Can't trust the media these days

I agree, the media is why I have trust issues. If I didn't see it with my own eyes, hear it with my own ears, then it didn't happen. I'm very skeptical.

lmao true, it really says a lot about the modern media in how you can find more credible facts from some random youtube video that actually took the time to research the attack then the actual mainstream news channel which we're supposed to trust. No wonder they've had such a shitty reputation recently.

pessimist wrote:

lmao true, it really says a lot about the modern media in how you can find more credible facts from some random youtube video that actually took the time to research the attack then the actual mainstream news channel which we're supposed to trust.

My thoughts EXACTLY!

I think even Eric mentioned something about the media in his writings:

Eric Harris wrote:

You know what I love? Freedom of speech!
You know what I hate? Freedom of press!

1Mare1 wrote:

I think even Eric mentioned something about the media in his writings:

Eric Harris wrote:

You know what I love? Freedom of speech!
You know what I hate? Freedom of press!

Holy shit I've never read that quote before, this deserves to be printed out and framed over every major news outlet.

1Mare1 wrote:

I think even Eric mentioned something about the media in his writings:

Eric Harris wrote:

You know what I love? Freedom of speech!
You know what I hate? Freedom of press!

I believe in freedom of press. I just wish they would make sure that the truth is told. Sadly News now days is bought and sold to the highest bidder.

The incompetence of mass shooters saves more than anything else could.

awsomehq wrote:

The incompetence of mass shooters saves more than anything else could.

High schools contain dozens of rooms that have only one exit, upwards of 20 or 30 people, and minimal cover. If the next guy to attack one actually thinks about that, then will have a hell of a lot more casualties than one dead three injured.

The problem is that so many can be stopped by literally a locked door. All it takes is a couple of shots fired and the entire school is under lockdown. Then the kid will walk around for a couple of minutes before they either kill themselves or the resource officer on campus comes in and tackles them. I never understood why so many kids just go into the hallways and start shooting when they could get a much higher body count if they just shot up one specific classroom and barricaded the entrance to delay police time. Kind of like what Cho did.

pessimist wrote:

I never understood why so many kids just go into the hallways and start shooting when they could get a much higher body count if they just shot up one specific classroom and barricaded the entrance to delay police time. Kind of like what Cho did.

Sooner or later, there will be. It's just a matter of time.

QuestionMark wrote:

pessimist wrote:

I never understood why so many kids just go into the hallways and start shooting when they could get a much higher body count if they just shot up one specific classroom and barricaded the entrance to delay police time. Kind of like what Cho did.

Sooner or later, there will be. It's just a matter of time.

Unfortunately, I have to agree with you on that. Sooner or later someone will make that connection and the results will be catastrophic.

I truly hope that school administrations across the world are trying to think of better ways to ensure the safety of their students if faced with an Active Shooter situation.  Shooter drills are ok, but you could practice that everyday and you would still find yourself at a gunman's mercy if you were trapped in a room that had only one entry and exit door. Having more then one exit to all rooms would be a good first step.

Well it's official; The shooter, Caleb Sharpe, has got himself a page on schoolshooters.info. Ironically, the page contains little information.

STK wrote:

Well it's official; The shooter, Caleb Sharpe, has got himself a page on schoolshooters.info. Ironically, the page contains little information.

It's probably gonna take some time before relevant and credible information can be put there.

STK wrote:

Ironically, the page contains little information.

Don't see how that's ironic but ok.

Could this incident have ended up like Stoneman Douglas?

Ziamber II wrote:

Could this incident have ended up like Stoneman Douglas?

Depends how good Caleb was with his AR-15.

AR-15 must be an easy gun to Shoot with, just look at Martin Bryant's results.....

Ziamber II wrote:

AR-15 must be an easy gun to Shoot with, just look at Martin Bryant's results.....

Martin Byrant also shot at close range.