Eric's interest in rape

I've heard and read that Eric was into rape, how much do you think he was really into it?

I believe he probably used it as a scapegoat for rage, almost like its something hateful to write about/talk about.

Do you think he would of ever raped someone? I mean given how much time the boys wondered around the school during the shooting, they could of easily raped one of their classmates.

I'm not sure if dylan ever talked/wrote about rape but I highly doubt it, it seems he was more attracted to true love than just sex.

joebox97 wrote:

I've heard and read that Eric was into rape, how much do you think he was really into it?

I believe he probably used it as a scapegoat for rage, almost like its something hateful to write about/talk about.

Do you think he would of ever raped someone? I mean given how much time the boys wondered around the school during the shooting, they could of easily raped one of their classmates.

I'm not sure if dylan ever talked/wrote about rape but I highly doubt it, it seems he was more attracted to true love than just sex.

I don't think Eric was "into" rape... I don't have all of his stuff memorized but I assume the passage people always go back to is either the "trick into my room" or the whole thing about pulling down a girls pants and effing her hard, which I never took as a rape fantasy. I think people who may be younger or looking into the case just now are putting today's stuff on something angry teenager wrote over 20 years ago. He wanted to have sex, he was trying to figure out how to have sex... but we know when he finally did get a girl into his room (Susan) he was a gentleman and kissed her on the cheek.

Just like young people reading books or watching shows from the 80's and 90's and getting really angry... it was the time, maybe they don't age well but you're putting 2019 lenses on something written 20/30 years ago.I read someone post about cultural appropriation in the Baby Sitters Club series... kids weren't thinking of that back then.

Dylan had a foot festish and liked BDSM, though towards the end he was feeling guilty about that and many other things. I assume Dylan had a regular want for sex and love as anybody that age would but I think his halcyon girl took over his mind so much that any girl on earth wouldn't be able to sway him.

I don't think Eric as he was would ever rape someone. Down the line in his life who knows? But as he was no. I agree with S.O. He had every chance in the world to rape Susan but he didn't. This may have been because he didn't want to get in trouble before Tuesday but who knows.

In any case, his passage in his journal is quoting a song so I don't take that too literally. He was a hormone filled teenager who wanted to lose his virginity. I don't see it as anything more than that

Screamingophelia wrote:

we know when he finally did get a girl into his room (Susan) he was a gentleman and kissed her on the cheek.

I doubt he was willing to risk destroying NBK just to get laid. Mass murder and terrorism came first.

I wholeheartedly believe Eric was capable of rape. He wrote at length about murder, then actually went and did it. I feel the same way about his attitude towards rape.

QuestionMark wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

we know when he finally did get a girl into his room (Susan) he was a gentleman and kissed her on the cheek.

I doubt he was willing to risk destroying NBK just to get laid. Mass murder and terrorism came first.

I wholeheartedly believe Eric was capable of rape. He wrote at length about murder, then actually went and did it. I feel the same way about his attitude towards rape.

Could Someone share the passages you think he is talking about raping and how much he likes it? Because I have never seen it or I’m interpreting it different...
It’s an interesting thing because there are interviews with murderers out there who think that rape is very much below them. It’s something that animals would do. I don’t think they’re mutually exclusive.

The character Dexter was disgusted when a female victim was on his table and she kept saying oh you’re going to rape me and he’s like oh god no, where are you getting that from?

The whole rape thing was likely just edginess. If he wanted to rape someone he could've held them at gunpoint, but he didn't, so it's obvious that it's nothing more than an edgy fantasy of his like flying planes into buildings etc.

Screamingophelia wrote:

QuestionMark wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

we know when he finally did get a girl into his room (Susan) he was a gentleman and kissed her on the cheek.

I doubt he was willing to risk destroying NBK just to get laid. Mass murder and terrorism came first.

I wholeheartedly believe Eric was capable of rape. He wrote at length about murder, then actually went and did it. I feel the same way about his attitude towards rape.

Could Someone share the passages you think he is talking about raping and  how much he likes it? Because I have never seen it or I’m interpreting it different...

"I have fantasies of just taking someone and fucking them hard and strong. Someone like [redacted] where I just pick her up, take her to my room, tear off her shirt and pants and just eat her out and fuck her hard."

"I want to grab a few different girls in my gym class, take them into a room, pull their pants off and fuck them hard."

"I just want to be surrounded by the flesh of a woman, someone like [redacted] who I wanted to just fuck like hell, "

"Who can I trick into my room first? I can sweep someone off their feet, tell them what they want to hear, be all nice and sweet, and then “fuck ’em like an animal, feel them from the inside” as Reznor said. "

These were all in the same passage, he wrote each of these down on the same day. In the same passage he also says
"Call it teenager hormones or call it a crazy fuckin racist rapist. Es ist mir egal"

So it seems to me that Eric himself considered his sexual fantasies as constituting rape.

I am not getting that. I don’t think he really thought he was a “crazy racist rapist”

He contradicts himself so much though it’s hard to know.

His actions show that he was capable and willing to murder (I know ... duh ) his actions don’t show a willingness to rape.

My opinion is that blood was above sex for eric, in a way people can get off on violence and I think eric had those traits.

Seems like a typical horny teenage boy to me...

I'm having a hard time understanding how you guys are coming to your own conclusions.

I can see where you’re coming from, I just don’t see it the same way as you do.

I get that he liked "rough sex" more so than a rape vibe. But I think with each of those quotes you'd probably have to hear him say it to know for sure. But it sounds more rough and dominate than rapey.

If you believe that Eric wrote that journal to be read.... IDK I just don't think that was truly how he felt. I think he was letting his hormones do the talking and they took over. Teen boys can be gross

Lizpuff wrote:

If you believe that Eric wrote that journal to be read

I don't believe that for a single second.
"You know what. Fuck it. Why should I have to explain myself to you survivors when half of this shit I say you shitheads won’t understand and if you can then woopie fucking do. That just means you have something to say as my reason for killing. And the majority of the audience won’t even understand my motives either! They’ll say 'ah, he’s crazy, he’s insane, worthless!' All you fuckers should die! DIE! What the fuck is the point if only some people see what I am saying, there will always be ones who don’t, ones that are to dumb or naïve or ignorant or just plain retarded. If I can’t pound it into every single persons head then it is pointless."

This was on the fifth page of his journal. Here Eric talks about how writing down his thoughts for an audience is a failing effort, because so few people will be able to understand what he's putting to paper. Based on this I have very little reason to doubt the Eric is writing down his true feelings in his journal, though I'll concede that some entries were likely colored by his intense anger and frustration.

It's hard to say I think it depends on how the next few years played out for him. I think it is certainly possible that if he still felt like an outcast that he could have resorted to rape

QuestionMark wrote:

I'm having a hard time understanding how you guys are coming to your own conclusions.

Just as Cullen has a desperate desire to make Dylan the poor manipulated saint and Eric the bug under a microscope, people here desperately want to believe that poor Eric wasn't really that bad.

Lunkhead McGrath wrote:

QuestionMark wrote:

I'm having a hard time understanding how you guys are coming to your own conclusions.

Just as Cullen has a desperate desire to make Dylan the poor manipulated saint and Eric the bug under a microscope, people here desperately want to believe that poor Eric wasn't really that bad.  

Perhaps, but I'd like to give people here the benefit of the doubt.

QuestionMark wrote:

Lunkhead McGrath wrote:

QuestionMark wrote:

I'm having a hard time understanding how you guys are coming to your own conclusions.

Just as Cullen has a desperate desire to make Dylan the poor manipulated saint and Eric the bug under a microscope, people here desperately want to believe that poor Eric wasn't really that bad.  

Perhaps, but I'd like to give people here the benefit of the doubt.

I get the impression that most here people know just how bad Eric and Dylan were. They murdered 13 people and seriously wounded a bunch more.
I happen to agree with those that don't necessarily get a rape vibe from what Eric wrote. Eric was a murderer and he talked a LOT, for almost 2 YEARS, about killing and hurting people. There is only a single journal entry about having sex with different girls and a portion of that is quoting song lyrics.
To me, the only remotely "rape-y" thing that he says is "who can I trick into my room?" That's definitely scummy and sounds like something a rapist would say. The rest of it, about pulling off clothes and fucking them hard and strong just sounds like a kid whose watched too many porn movies, read too many Penthouse stories. Since I don't think Eric ever had sex I don't think he'd actually know if he was into rough sex, but this is probably what he was getting at. I'm guessing he thought that kind of sex would make him feel more like a man.
And while you can make the argument (which I completely agree with) that Eric sought control and power over people and these desires are typical of rapists, the fact that this entry was the only time he ever said anything more about sex than "why can't I get any?" it seems like a stretch to point to a single journal entry and say, "aha, rapist!" When Eric was obsessed with something, he wasn't shy about writing about it. The fact that he wrote only one paragraph within a mountain of other entries suggest to me that it wasn't a big part of his thoughts at the time.
Just my 2 cents.

thelmar wrote:

QuestionMark wrote:

Lunkhead McGrath wrote:

QuestionMark wrote:

I'm having a hard time understanding how you guys are coming to your own conclusions.

Just as Cullen has a desperate desire to make Dylan the poor manipulated saint and Eric the bug under a microscope, people here desperately want to believe that poor Eric wasn't really that bad.  

Perhaps, but I'd like to give people here the benefit of the doubt.

I get the impression that most here people know just how bad Eric and Dylan were. They murdered 13 people and seriously wounded a bunch more.
I happen to agree with those that don't necessarily get a rape vibe from what Eric wrote. Eric was a murderer and he talked a LOT, for almost 2 YEARS, about killing and hurting people. There is only a single journal entry about having sex with different girls and a portion of that is quoting song lyrics.
To me, the only remotely "rape-y" thing that he says is "who can I trick into my room?" That's definitely scummy and sounds like something a rapist would say. The rest of it, about pulling off clothes and fucking them hard and strong just sounds like a kid whose watched too many porn movies, read too many Penthouse stories. Since I don't think Eric ever had sex I don't think he'd actually know if he was into rough sex, but this is probably what he was getting at. I'm guessing he thought that kind of sex would make him feel more like a man.
And while you can make the argument (which I completely agree with) that Eric sought control and power over people and these desires are typical of rapists, the fact that this entry was the only time he ever said anything more about sex than "why can't I get any?" it seems like a stretch to point to a single journal entry and say, "aha, rapist!" When Eric was obsessed with something, he wasn't shy about writing about it. The fact that he wrote only one paragraph within a mountain of other entries suggest to me that it wasn't a big part of his thoughts at the time.
Just my 2 cents.

I have to agree. Eric was just a teenage boy talking about sex. Let's remember that he was a virgin. These were just his ideas on what he thought good sex was. The trick comment is creepy and scummy, however. I still don't think that at any point Eric implied rape anywhere in his journal.

hvernon wrote:

thelmar wrote:

QuestionMark wrote:

Lunkhead McGrath wrote:

QuestionMark wrote:

I'm having a hard time understanding how you guys are coming to your own conclusions.

Just as Cullen has a desperate desire to make Dylan the poor manipulated saint and Eric the bug under a microscope, people here desperately want to believe that poor Eric wasn't really that bad.  

Perhaps, but I'd like to give people here the benefit of the doubt.

I get the impression that most here people know just how bad Eric and Dylan were. They murdered 13 people and seriously wounded a bunch more.
I happen to agree with those that don't necessarily get a rape vibe from what Eric wrote. Eric was a murderer and he talked a LOT, for almost 2 YEARS, about killing and hurting people. There is only a single journal entry about having sex with different girls and a portion of that is quoting song lyrics.
To me, the only remotely "rape-y" thing that he says is "who can I trick into my room?" That's definitely scummy and sounds like something a rapist would say. The rest of it, about pulling off clothes and fucking them hard and strong just sounds like a kid whose watched too many porn movies, read too many Penthouse stories. Since I don't think Eric ever had sex I don't think he'd actually know if he was into rough sex, but this is probably what he was getting at. I'm guessing he thought that kind of sex would make him feel more like a man.
And while you can make the argument (which I completely agree with) that Eric sought control and power over people and these desires are typical of rapists, the fact that this entry was the only time he ever said anything more about sex than "why can't I get any?" it seems like a stretch to point to a single journal entry and say, "aha, rapist!" When Eric was obsessed with something, he wasn't shy about writing about it. The fact that he wrote only one paragraph within a mountain of other entries suggest to me that it wasn't a big part of his thoughts at the time.
Just my 2 cents.

I have to agree. Eric was just a teenage boy talking about sex. Let's remember that he was a virgin. These were just his ideas on what he thought good sex was. The trick comment is creepy and scummy, however. I still don't think that at any point Eric implied rape anywhere in his journal.

Plus as far as we know he never even tried to trick someone into his room. Susan was in his room and he was a perfect gentleman.

For someone who wanted to get laid so bad it doesn’t seem like he really tried. Also though remember it’s a conservative area and despite what Cullen says he wasn’t a chick magnet or suave and crap. I’m sure he was charming at times to adults and his friends Thought he was cute and funny but he wasn’t really keeping and getting steady girlfriends.

I do sometimes wonder how good old Sasha’s doing after dating both of them. It was so long ago I’m sure doesn’t register too too much. But I wonder if I dated both of them if I would question my taste in men?

Screamingophelia wrote:

I do sometimes wonder how good old Sasha’s doing after dating both of them. It was so long ago I’m sure doesn’t register too too much. But I wonder if I dated both of them if I would question my taste in men?

Lol! I hope not; she was just a girl, after all and the relationships were pretty short-lived. Especially with Dylan. I would hope that she doesn't (or didn't for a time) beat herself up for it.
I sometimes wonder whether or not the fangirls bother her at all. Whether to "worship" her because she dated them both or to "condemn" her because she dumped them both. That would be a scary position to be in with as hardcore as some of them get.

thelmar wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

I do sometimes wonder how good old Sasha’s doing after dating both of them. It was so long ago I’m sure doesn’t register too too much. But I wonder if I dated both of them if I would question my taste in men?

Lol! I hope not; she was just a girl, after all and the relationships were pretty short-lived. Especially with Dylan. I would hope that she doesn't (or didn't for a time) beat herself up for it.
I sometimes wonder whether or not the fangirls bother her at all. Whether to "worship" her because she dated them both or to "condemn" her because she dumped them both. That would be a scary position to be in with as hardcore as some of them get.

Since it was pretty early in HS and I think she just kind of hung out with Dylan a handful of times I think she’d be ok. I don’t even think she went to Columbine?

Plus with Dylan his crushes changed as quickly as the weather.

I wouldn’t put it past a lot of the fan girls to do some crazy stuff. I am sure many people involved in the case get messages that are bizarre/crazy

I’m no expert but I highly doubt Sasha was a catalyst for them committing murder/suicide

When I think of myself at that age I had my first kiss but say this person went on to do something really bad I can’t imagine what I would say to somebody about someone I knew when I was that young.