Did Dylan commit credit card fraud?

As you know, Dylan used software to phish people's AOL passwords and gain access to their accounts, including the credit card information they created the account with.

Do you think he ever ordered stuff online using other people's credit card information? Was Dylan that kind of person? Or do you suppose he never used the information? I think he may have been tempted to order new computer parts using some rando's CC details.

I think there was some speculation about this from a few things that were said in the basement tapes.

Someone who knows a little bit more about the 11 K can probably answer this better. However, I think Zach did . I’m pretty sure Zach used credit card information for something according to the 11 K

I've wondered about this too. I recall a page from their journals/planners/etc - I think Dylan's, that involved stealing money using western union and burning the evidence, and the basement tapes transcripts claim Eric raised his hand to credit card fraud. One looks at e. g. all the stuff in the 2004 evidence exhibit, and it's hard to imagine all of that coming from minimum wage at a pizza place. So I'm fairly confident they did steal money, but how much and when and etc would be interesting to know. I don't know about "ordering stuff online" though.

sympathyforEandD wrote:

As you know, Dylan used software to phish people's AOL passwords and gain access to their accounts, including the credit card information they created the account with.

Do you think he ever ordered stuff online using other people's credit card information? Was Dylan that kind of person? Or do you suppose he never used the information? I think he may have been tempted to order new computer parts using some rando's CC details.

Hmm, it's possible. I would need more solid evidence to come to a conclusion about this question.
I think it was nothing more than teenage shit talk personally.

I don't recall anyone saying Eric, Dylan, Zach, etc. ever actually committed credit card fraud but both Dylan and Eric talked about/ wrote about it.
The only mentions of it I could find in the 11k are:

From the police transcript of the Basement Tapes, p. 10381
They then begin discussing “credit card fraud” and Harris then raises his hand as if he had done it.

From the documents seized from Dylan's house, p. 26365 (I have a lot of trouble deciphering Dylan's handwriting- the ? inserted is a word I wasn't able to make out)

1. Get exact address for new houses: (redacted)
2. Get phone # (?) answering making- long day span
3. Get a Social Security # & corresponding name (redacted)
4. Call Visa: give them info for mailed card
5. Pick up card at drop off pt
6. Go to Western Union machine: Use auto (^accident) out of state clause
7. Sign card clip w. false name (redacted redacted)
8. Collect cash or check
 Check- go to Lakewood check-cashing store: get cash
 Put card almost to limit, burn all evidence

Found this, too. From Rich Long's statement p. 497- 498
The name of the student is redacted, but it immediately follows his relaying when Zach, Dylan, and Eric were suspended for the locker combo hacking. I don't know for sure if it refers to Zach, but I do know that Dylan did write about Zach talking to Devon about suicide at one point.

He didn't see [redacted] at Columbine High School the day of the shooting. He did see [redacted] later in the day at Leawood Elementary School wearing a dark t-shirt and jeans. Mr. Long said that on April 22nd, the faculty and kids got together, [redacted] came over and hugged Mr. Long and [redacted] said that he wanted to re-establish their relationship. Mr. Long said that [redacted] at one time, had  written a note. Mr. Long did  not see the note, but [redacted] dad told   Mr. Long about  it. It was a  suicide  note  written  around the  time [redacted] had been suspended for using  Mr.  Long's  credit  card  to get some xxx movies. This was in the fall of 1998. Mr. Long had never seen [redacted] wear a
trench   coat.

thelmar wrote:

Found this, too. From Rich Long's statement p. 497- 498
The name of the student is redacted, but it immediately follows his relaying when Zach, Dylan, and Eric were suspended for the locker combo hacking. I don't know for sure if it refers to Zach, but I do know that Dylan did write about Zach talking to Devon about suicide at one point.

He didn't see [redacted] at Columbine High School the day of the shooting. He did see [redacted] later in the day at Leawood Elementary School wearing a dark t-shirt and jeans. Mr. Long said that on April 22nd, the faculty and kids got together, [redacted] came over and hugged Mr. Long and [redacted] said that he wanted to re-establish their relationship. Mr. Long said that [redacted] at one time, had  written a note. Mr. Long did  not see the note, but [redacted] dad told   Mr. Long about  it. It was a  suicide  note  written  around the  time [redacted] had been suspended for using  Mr.  Long's  credit  card  to get some xxx movies. This was in the fall of 1998. Mr. Long had never seen [redacted] wear a
trench   coat.

It is discussed in the 11k that police found people's credit card information on Zach's computer, but I can't recall what pages. I would guess this statement would refer to him as well.

sympathyforEandD wrote:

As you know, Dylan used software to phish people's AOL passwords and gain access to their accounts, including the credit card information they created the account with.

Do you think he ever ordered stuff online using other people's credit card information? Was Dylan that kind of person? Or do you suppose he never used the information? I think he may have been tempted to order new computer parts using some rando's CC details.

Well he had no problem laughing and having the time of his life mowing down children, and blowing their jaws off at point blank range. I'm sure he'd have no issues committing credit card frauds, which he more than likely did, especially since his boy Zach did as well.

The blueprint for committing CC fraud found in Dylan's house is pretty convincing... but if The Boys had done it before, how come they were working minimum wage jobs to pay for NBK? They could have just frauded it up.

sympathyforEandD wrote:

The blueprint for committing CC fraud found in Dylan's house is pretty convincing... but if The Boys had done it before, how come they were working minimum wage jobs to pay for NBK? They could have just frauded it up.

Money laundering?

If they were '"frauding it up" to pay for NBK, then it seems to me pretty obvious they weren't working minimum wage for that same reason, but because their parents or diversion demanded it, to appear normal, to explain purchases, etc.

well i think if eric really did cc fraud, he would proudly mentioning it in his diary/planner