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Shinji Aoba poured gasoline and started a fire at Studio 1 of Kyoto animation. 34 confirmed dead.

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PostSubject: Re: 34 Dead in Kyoto Animation Arson Fire   34 Dead in Kyoto Animation Arson Fire Icon_minitimeThu Jul 18, 2019 8:07 am

I'm hearing from some people that the suspect threw gasoline on multiple people and lit them on fire. Really fucked up.

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I am very curious about his motive.

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PostSubject: Re: 34 Dead in Kyoto Animation Arson Fire   34 Dead in Kyoto Animation Arson Fire Icon_minitimeThu Jul 18, 2019 8:13 am

11 people confirmed dead.

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PostSubject: Re: 34 Dead in Kyoto Animation Arson Fire   34 Dead in Kyoto Animation Arson Fire Icon_minitimeThu Jul 18, 2019 8:15 am

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11 people confirmed dead.

Damn. I am hearing reports that several people are still stuck inside the building. Maybe that number will rise? It's still really early.

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PostSubject: Re: 34 Dead in Kyoto Animation Arson Fire   34 Dead in Kyoto Animation Arson Fire Icon_minitimeThu Jul 18, 2019 8:21 am

Change 11 to 10. I am probably hearing multiple reports that are inconsistent. I am going to wait until everyone is rescued to confirm the death count.

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Picture of the building before the arson attack.

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PostSubject: Re: 34 Dead in Kyoto Animation Arson Fire   34 Dead in Kyoto Animation Arson Fire Icon_minitimeThu Jul 18, 2019 8:46 am

Did this place not have a fire escape?


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Death toll is 33 now. Jesus, this is one of the worst massacres in Japanese history.

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https://www.wsbtv.com/news/a-japanese-fire-official-says-the-death-toll-at-the-kyoto-anime-studio-fire-is-33-nobody-else-is/968091438
Death toll is 33 now. Jesus, this is one of the worst massacres in Japanese history.
That's insane and extremely fucked up. It reminds me of Kadir Çal arson on a bus in 1991 in Istanbul. Avgiris Nikolaos account on Çal's arson is very fucked up.
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It's always curious how these arsons tend to have bigger death tolls than most mass shootings...

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"The woman said she could not catch much of what the man said, but she did clearly hear him shout, “They ripped me off.”"

uh... I thought that this animation studio was regarded as one of the best in their craft? What went wrong?

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"The woman said she could not catch much of what the man said, but she did clearly hear him shout, “They ripped me off.”"

uh... I thought that this animation studio was regarded as one of the best in their craft? What went wrong?

Something must've been going on behind the scenes. But for now, we'll have to wait for a motive. At least the guy wasn't some crazed anime fan.

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PostSubject: Re: 34 Dead in Kyoto Animation Arson Fire   34 Dead in Kyoto Animation Arson Fire Icon_minitimeThu Jul 18, 2019 9:14 pm

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"The woman said she could not catch much of what the man said, but she did clearly hear him shout, “They ripped me off.”"

uh... I thought that this animation studio was regarded as one of the best in their craft? What went wrong?

Something must've been going on behind the scenes. But for now, we'll have to wait for a motive. At least the guy wasn't some crazed anime fan.

"Ripped me off" could mean multiple things. There is a possibility that he may be mad about the outcome of an anime.

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"The woman said she could not catch much of what the man said, but she did clearly hear him shout, “They ripped me off.”"

uh... I thought that this animation studio was regarded as one of the best in their craft? What went wrong?

Something must've been going on behind the scenes. But for now, we'll have to wait for a motive. At least the guy wasn't some crazed anime fan.

"Ripped me off" could mean multiple things. There is a possibility that he may be mad about the outcome of an anime.
It's possible, but I would bet that he was upset about the studio for work reasons. I think it'd be way over the top to kill 33 people over an anime. However, there are quite a few nutjobs out there with those kinds of motives Cuckoo

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There are multiple theories about his motive on the internet. One theory said that he was mad about how Kumiko Oumae had a boyfriend. Another theory stated that he was a train fanatic who got mad due to how the anime, "Hibike! Euphonium", played "Take the A Train". Also, he got mad because of how the studio attracted anime fans and it ruined his train viewing area. He also believed that his hobby was getting attacked. Another theory is that he was mad about the studio ripping off an idea he had. The final theory, which is the most normal theory, is that he went postal.

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It's always curious how these arsons tend to have bigger death tolls than most mass shootings...

My guess would be that people are hiding during a fire but rather all trying to escape at once. Like the Station fire, they just all piled up at exits. I would venture to say this building probably didn't have great exits either and something similar happened. I read many of the people died of smoke inhalation rather than being burned alive. They must have been trapped inside the building.
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Current plausible motive: The perpetrator was a train fanatic who got mad due to how the anime, "Hibike! Euphonium", played "Take the A Train". Also, he got mad because of how the studio attracted anime fans and it ruined his train viewing area. He also believed that his hobby was getting attacked.

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Current plausible motive: The perpetrator was a train fanatic who got mad due to how the anime, "Hibike! Euphonium", played "Take the A Train". Also, he got mad because of how the studio attracted anime fans and it ruined his train viewing area. He also believed that his hobby was getting attacked.

This is probably one of the stupidest motives yet if confirmed true.

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And he didn't an hero himself? Kim Dae-han 2: Eletric Boogaloo
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PostSubject: Re: 34 Dead in Kyoto Animation Arson Fire   34 Dead in Kyoto Animation Arson Fire Icon_minitimeFri Jul 19, 2019 2:46 am

School Massacre Archives wrote:
AmericaMan wrote:
Current plausible motive: The perpetrator was a train fanatic who got mad due to how the anime, "Hibike! Euphonium", played "Take the A Train". Also, he got mad because of how the studio attracted anime fans and it ruined his train viewing area. He also believed that his hobby was getting attacked.

This is probably one of the stupidest motives yet if confirmed true.

Yep. If this is true this has to be the worst motive ever. This guy definitely had something going on with him if this is true.
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AmericaMan wrote:
Current plausible motive: The perpetrator was a train fanatic who got mad due to how the anime, "Hibike! Euphonium", played "Take the A Train". Also, he got mad because of how the studio attracted anime fans and it ruined his train viewing area. He also believed that his hobby was getting attacked.

This is probably one of the stupidest motives yet if confirmed true.

Yep. If this is true this has to be the worst motive ever. This guy definitely had something going on with him if this is true.

It gets even worse. Want to know what made him snap? The fact that Kyoto Animations decided to install anime decorations on a train. If you wanted to know the anime's name it's... Hibike! Euphonium. (I don't think the Take the A Train incident ever happened, but it isn't out of character for him to freak out over it)

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On 2chan, he was saying shit like, "MuH PeRfeCt TrAin WaS DeSecRated!!!! No  No  No  No "

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The scene that people believed pissed him off:

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Another theorized motive: He believed the studio plagiarized a Light Novel he made. The train theory might be false, but the poster may be an imitator.

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hvernon wrote:
School Massacre Archives wrote:
AmericaMan wrote:
Current plausible motive: The perpetrator was a train fanatic who got mad due to how the anime, "Hibike! Euphonium", played "Take the A Train". Also, he got mad because of how the studio attracted anime fans and it ruined his train viewing area. He also believed that his hobby was getting attacked.

This is probably one of the stupidest motives yet if confirmed true.

Yep. If this is true this has to be the worst motive ever. This guy definitely had something going on with him if this is true.

It gets even worse. Want to know what made him snap? The fact that Kyoto Animations decided to install anime decorations on a train. If you wanted to know the anime's name it's... Hibike! Euphonium. (I don't think the Take the A Train incident ever happened, but it isn't out of character for him to freak out over it)

THIS MADE HIM SNAP!!!34 Dead in Kyoto Animation Arson Fire Dsc07810
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On 2chan, he was saying shit like, "MuH PeRfeCt TrAin WaS DeSecRated!!!! No  No  No  No "
Fucking hell, I'm not really a fan of anime but I don't dislike it that much.
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I might as well wait for a confirmed motive.

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I am currently following the story through a 4chan thread and the Kiwifarms thread for this incident.

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Current plausible motive: The perpetrator was a train fanatic who got mad due to how the anime, "Hibike! Euphonium", played "Take the A Train". Also, he got mad because of how the studio attracted anime fans and it ruined his train viewing area. He also believed that his hobby was getting attacked.

lmao! We've reached the autism singularity gents.

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If it’s true that he yelled, “they ripped me off” and he thought they stole an idea from his novel, that sounds plausible as a motive.
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If it’s true that he yelled, “they ripped me off” and he thought they stole an idea from his novel, that sounds plausible as a motive.

I posted about this theory on the first page.

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Apparently the building was supposed to be "flawless" in fire safety. confused

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Apparently the building was supposed to be "flawless" in fire safety. confused

Well I don't see a outdoor fire escape in any of the videos I've seen. How is this building supposed to be flawless?

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Apparently the building was supposed to be "flawless" in fire safety. confused

Well I don't see a outdoor fire escape in any of the videos I've seen. How is this building supposed to be flawless?

" The building is also noted to have had no deficiencies in fire safety compliance during its last inspection on 17 October 2018"


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Apparently the building was supposed to be "flawless" in fire safety. confused

Well I don't see a outdoor fire escape in any of the videos I've seen. How is this building supposed to be flawless?

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In all fairness, most fire safety procedures are concerned with accidental fires, not arsons. For all we know this guy covered the exits with gas and lit them up, cutting off escape. IDK.

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I am currently following the story through a 4chan thread and the Kiwifarms thread for this incident.
I don't think 4chan or Kiwifarms is a reliable source on anything.

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Perpetrator's name is Shinji Aoba.
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I am currently following the story through a 4chan thread and the Kiwifarms thread for this incident.
I don't think 4chan or Kiwifarms is a reliable source on anything.

They seem genuinely upset about what happened so I thought their research would be serious at that time. They revealed some good pictures from multiple Japanese news stations though.

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Perpetrator's name is Shinji Aoba.
FINALLY

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He killed more people than Matsuo Toi, who klilled 30 with guns.
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Death tolls up to 34 now.

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Apparently the building was supposed to be "flawless" in fire safety. confused

Well I don't see a outdoor fire escape in any of the videos I've seen. How is this building supposed to be flawless?

" The building is also noted to have had no deficiencies in fire safety compliance during its last inspection on 17 October 2018"


https://www.fdma.go.jp/disaster/info/items/1907182201.pdf

In all fairness, most fire safety procedures are concerned with accidental fires, not arsons. For all we know this guy covered the exits with gas and lit them up, cutting off escape. IDK.

I read somewhere that's exactly what it is was... the building was prepared for small, accidental fires not arson.
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I still wonder what his motive is.

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jesus. this company is basically destroyed; everything they had was destroyed in the fire, and half of their staff is either dead or injured.
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I've seen several reports saying that he thought the company stole his novel idea

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Anyone know which anime he thought copied his light novel?
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jesus. this company is basically destroyed; everything they had was destroyed in the fire, and half of their staff is either dead or injured.
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I still wonder what his motive is.
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I've seen several reports saying that he thought the company stole his novel idea
If that's true then it's one of the most stupidest motives to commit mass murder.

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why aren't things like these investigated further?

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Anyone know which anime he thought copied his light novel?

If we are assuming that the guy was somewhat stable, I would say Tamako Market or Munto since they are the only original animes that were made by Kyoto Animation. If we are assuming that the guy was very batshit insane, it can be any anime. I will shit myself if his "novel idea" was supposed to be the anime called Free!. I usually don't like guessing information, but this is an educated guess.

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