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I'm learning a bit about Pol Pot lately, but not very much into his story. I was interested because he kind of was in jungle encampments frequently and attempted to make an agrarian socialist society, which makes me interested since I like stories from people living in forests or simple farms. Sorry if I'm wrong about the statements about him, as I said, I'm a bit new to him.

I know some cases of foreigners only being killed in prison camps. Any new information would be greeted.

Edit: specified and corrected "socialist"
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He killed people who wore glasses because he thought that meant they were more educated, as you can tell he was not the brightest man to rule a country
The hell Pol Pot was thinking by that? I agree with you, a very naughty man to rule a country.

Reminds me of Francisco Macias Nguema, who had a similar problems with intellectuals apparently, even going as far to ban the word "intellectual". Macias Nguema was so insane that he was overthrown by one of his relatives (if I remember correctly) and they had him executed. Apparently Macias Nguema was plotting to kill his family. I always thought Macias Nguema was scary as hell, but I can be wrong. As I'm learning about Pol Pot, there are illustrations of the tortures people endured at his prison camps. Terrible way to go.

Also, thanks for the information!
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He killed people who wore glasses because he thought that meant they were more educated, as you can tell he was not the brightest man to rule a country
Surely if they were more educated then they could help him execute his regime better? I agree with you that he certainly was not the smartest dictator.

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The glasses thing is mostly figurative but yeah intellectuals were considered dangerous (i.e. capable of overthrowing the regime) by the Khmer Rouge and were often targeted.
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Because people with more than half a fucking brain would've picked up on his bullshit instantly. That's how you gain power in the first place, brainwashing, keep the people quiet and obedient while not forgetting to allure prosperity. A tale as old as time.

Basically yes, but I guess if you manage to brainwash the intellectuals and give people the illusion of freedom you’re going to be way more successful at keeping said power.

(I’m 14 and this is deep lol)
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(This will be a dumb question, I know)

I recently learned that Pol Pot abolished money and encouraged people to focus on rice, which proved to be a part in the disaster of the genocide. I wonder if Pol Pot had money himself? Did others dictators visit him or he visited them in their country? Greetings in advance.
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Did others dictators visit him or he visited them in their country? Greetings in advance.

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In April 1965, [Pol Pot] travelled by foot along the Ho Chi Minh Trail to Hanoi to meet North Vietnamese government figures, among them Ho Chi Minh and Lê Duẩn.

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In November 1965, [Pol Pot] flew from Hanoi to Beijing, where his official host was Deng Xiaoping, although most of his meetings were with Peng Zhen. [Pol Pot] gained a sympathetic hearing from many in the governing Communist Party of China (CPC)—especially Chen Boda, Zhang Chunqiao and Kang Sheng—who shared his negative view of Khrushchev amid the Sino-Soviet split. CPC officials also trained him on topics like dictatorship of the proletariat, class struggles and political purge. In Beijing, [Pol Pot] witnessed China's ongoing Cultural Revolution, influencing his later policies.

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In November 1969, [Pol Pot] trekked to Hanoi to persuade the North Vietnamese government to provide direct military assistance. They refused, urging him to revert to a political struggle. In January 1970 he flew to Beijing.

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In April 1970, [Pol Pot] flew to Hanoi. He stressed to Lê Duẩn that while he wanted the Vietnamese to supply the Khmer Rouge with weapons, he did not want troops: the Cambodians needed to oust Lon Nol themselves.

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To quell tensions arising from recent territorial clashes with Vietnamese soldiers over the disputed Wai Island, Pol Pot, Nuon Chea, and Ieng Sary travelled secretly to Hanoi in May, where they proposed a Friendship Treaty between the two countries. In the short term, this successfully eased tensions. After Hanoi, Pol Pot proceeded to Beijing, again in secret. There he met with Mao and then Deng. Although communication with Mao was hindered by the reliance on translators, Mao warned the younger Cambodian against uncritically imitating the path to socialism pursued by China or any other country, and advised him to avoid repeating the drastic measures that the Khmer Rouge had imposed before. In China, Pol Pot also received medical treatment for his malaria and gastric ailments. Pol Pot then travelled to North Korea, meeting with Kim Il Sung.

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After Mao died in September 1976, Pol Pot praised him and Cambodia declared an official period of mourning. In November 1976, Pol Pot travelled secretly to Beijing, seeking to retain his country's alliance with China after the Gang of Four were arrested. From Beijing, he was then taken on a tour of China, visiting sites associated with Mao and the Chinese Communist Party. The Chinese were the only country allowed to retain their old Phnom Penh embassy. All other diplomats were made to live in assigned quarters on the Boulevard Monivong. This street was barricaded off and the diplomats were not permitted to leave without escorts. Their food was brought to them and provided through the only shop that remained open in the country. Pol Pot saw the Khmer Rouge as an example that should be copied by other revolutionary movements across the world and courted Marxist leaders from Burma, Indonesia, Malaysia, and Thailand, allowing Thai Marxists to establish bases along the Cambodian border with Thailand. In November 1977, Burma's Ne Win was the first foreign head of government to visit Democratic Kampuchea, followed soon after by Romania's Nicolae Ceaușescu.

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On 30 April, Cambodian units, backed by artillery fire, entered Vietnam and attacked a series of villages, killing several hundred Vietnamese civilians. Vietnam responded by ordering its Air Force to bomb Cambodian border positions. Several months later, the fighting resumed; in September, two divisions of the Cambodian Eastern Zone entered the Tay Ninh area of Vietnam, where they attacked several villages and slaughtered their inhabitants. That month, Pol Pot travelled to Beijing, and from there to North Korea, where Kim Il Sung spoke out against Vietnam in solidarity with the Khmer Rouge.

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Enesbrietchvonfrederitch wrote:
Did others dictators visit him or he visited them in their country? Greetings in advance.

Yes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pol_Pot#Plotting_rebellion:_1962%E2%80%931968

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In April 1965, [Pol Pot] travelled by foot along the Ho Chi Minh Trail to Hanoi to meet North Vietnamese government figures, among them Ho Chi Minh and Lê Duẩn.

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In November 1965, [Pol Pot] flew from Hanoi to Beijing, where his official host was Deng Xiaoping, although most of his meetings were with Peng Zhen. [Pol Pot] gained a sympathetic hearing from many in the governing Communist Party of China (CPC)—especially Chen Boda, Zhang Chunqiao and Kang Sheng—who shared his negative view of Khrushchev amid the Sino-Soviet split. CPC officials also trained him on topics like dictatorship of the proletariat, class struggles and political purge. In Beijing, [Pol Pot] witnessed China's ongoing Cultural Revolution, influencing his later policies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pol_Pot#Against_Sihanouk

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In November 1969, [Pol Pot] trekked to Hanoi to persuade the North Vietnamese government to provide direct military assistance. They refused, urging him to revert to a political struggle. In January 1970 he flew to Beijing.

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In April 1970, [Pol Pot] flew to Hanoi. He stressed to Lê Duẩn that while he wanted the Vietnamese to supply the Khmer Rouge with weapons, he did not want troops: the Cambodians needed to oust Lon Nol themselves.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pol_Pot#Leader_of_Kampuchea

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To quell tensions arising from recent territorial clashes with Vietnamese soldiers over the disputed Wai Island, Pol Pot, Nuon Chea, and Ieng Sary travelled secretly to Hanoi in May, where they proposed a Friendship Treaty between the two countries. In the short term, this successfully eased tensions. After Hanoi, Pol Pot proceeded to Beijing, again in secret. There he met with Mao and then Deng. Although communication with Mao was hindered by the reliance on translators, Mao warned the younger Cambodian against uncritically imitating the path to socialism pursued by China or any other country, and advised him to avoid repeating the drastic measures that the Khmer Rouge had imposed before. In China, Pol Pot also received medical treatment for his malaria and gastric ailments. Pol Pot then travelled to North Korea, meeting with Kim Il Sung.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pol_Pot#Foreign_relations

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After Mao died in September 1976, Pol Pot praised him and Cambodia declared an official period of mourning. In November 1976, Pol Pot travelled secretly to Beijing, seeking to retain his country's alliance with China after the Gang of Four were arrested. From Beijing, he was then taken on a tour of China, visiting sites associated with Mao and the Chinese Communist Party. The Chinese were the only country allowed to retain their old Phnom Penh embassy. All other diplomats were made to live in assigned quarters on the Boulevard Monivong. This street was barricaded off and the diplomats were not permitted to leave without escorts. Their food was brought to them and provided through the only shop that remained open in the country. Pol Pot saw the Khmer Rouge as an example that should be copied by other revolutionary movements across the world and courted Marxist leaders from Burma, Indonesia, Malaysia, and Thailand, allowing Thai Marxists to establish bases along the Cambodian border with Thailand. In November 1977, Burma's Ne Win was the first foreign head of government to visit Democratic Kampuchea, followed soon after by Romania's Nicolae Ceaușescu.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pol_Pot#Fall_of_Democratic_Kampuchea

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On 30 April, Cambodian units, backed by artillery fire, entered Vietnam and attacked a series of villages, killing several hundred Vietnamese civilians. Vietnam responded by ordering its Air Force to bomb Cambodian border positions. Several months later, the fighting resumed; in September, two divisions of the Cambodian Eastern Zone entered the Tay Ninh area of Vietnam, where they attacked several villages and slaughtered their inhabitants. That month, Pol Pot travelled to Beijing, and from there to North Korea, where Kim Il Sung spoke out against Vietnam in solidarity with the Khmer Rouge.

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Thank you very much! I wonder what Ted Kaczynski thinks of Pol Pot. I also wonder if Ted managed to rule a country, how would he deal with the situation of hunger, overwork, etc of the people.
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I wonder what Ted Kaczynski thinks of Pol Pot.

I can't imagine that he would be too fond of him; he was very critical of leftists in his manifesto. Unlike pol-pot, Ted was actually intelligent.
I see. I have a few questions about the two (Ted and Pol Pot), but we would probably fill up the thread with a lot of messages. Would you like to talk in PM?
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Mr Bubbless wrote:
Enesbrietchvonfrederitch wrote:
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Enesbrietchvonfrederitch wrote:
I wonder what Ted Kaczynski thinks of Pol Pot.

I can't imagine that he would be too fond of him; he was very critical of leftists in his manifesto. Unlike pol-pot, Ted was actually intelligent.
I see. I have a few questions about the two (Ted and Pol Pot), but we would probably fill up the thread with a lot of messages. Would you like to talk in PM?

Sure thing, just shoot me a message whenever
Just sent you a message!
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